Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[John_Bedini]

Good Work

Ok Guy's
Good work on the circuits it seems that you have it down. You should be able to get your machine running. As for the box with two wires, one in and one out it's a fet opto hooked up to trigger on the pluses on the peak of the spike RS almost has it. I guess you could say the cap charges up and the Fet goes into breakdown and the current is delivered to the secondary batteries. That is why the secondary charges so fast. Comparator circuit should work fine but I would add a cap .47uf across the pins 2&3 of the 741 might help. No need to have a power LED. Great Drawings, Good work
John B

[John_K]

Ok Guy's
Good work on the circuits it seems that you have it down. You should be able to get your machine running. As for the box with two wires, one in and one out it's a fet opto hooked up to trigger on the pluses on the peak of the spike RS almost has it. I guess you could say the cap charges up and the Fet goes into breakdown and the current is delivered to the secondary batteries. That is why the secondary charges so fast. Comparator circuit should work fine but I would add a cap .47uf across the pins 2&3 of the 741 might help. No need to have a power LED. Great Drawings, Good work
John B

Hey John B,

Attached is the comparator circuit I was talking about. The one Ron Chase drew. Is it the same one you're talking about?

There's been a few different ones posted, just want to make sure we're on the same page.


John K.

[John_Bedini]

Circuit

John K,
Good talking to you today, don't give up that circuit is very close to mine just some minor things to do to it to gain more stability with the 741 as they can be fussy. I can't tell where the components are but 741 is very noisy compared to ic's that we have now. .47 caps should be right on the pins. This circuit will work just fine. See if you can get the fets to work in the motor circuit in a quasi arrangement then you will not half to look for a P channel fet of high power.
JB

[John_K]

John K,
Good talking to you today, don't give up that circuit is very close to mine just some minor things to do to it to gain more stability with the 741 as they can be fussy. I can't tell where the components are but 741 is very noisy compared to ic's that we have now. .47 caps should be right on the pins. This circuit will work just fine. See if you can get the fets to work in the motor circuit in a quasi arrangement then you will not half to look for a P channel fet of high power.
JB

John B,

I never give up, I just keep trying out new ideas. Some work better than others. I'll go research your last sentence. Will send you the results when I have them. It takes me a lot of time to test them out properly. You can't just test for 5 minutes and then call it good.

Great work with the Battery Load Box. A very elegant solution for the monitoring and charts too. Much easier than a PIC and more robust.


John K.

[John_K]

John K,
Good talking to you today, don't give up that circuit is very close to mine just some minor things to do to it to gain more stability with the 741 as they can be fussy. I can't tell where the components are but 741 is very noisy compared to ic's that we have now. .47 caps should be right on the pins. This circuit will work just fine. See if you can get the fets to work in the motor circuit in a quasi arrangement then you will not half to look for a P channel fet of high power.
JB

John B,

I found a circuit that uses an NPN BJT to fire an N channel FET on the high side and a PNP BJT that fires another N channel FET on the low side. I think this might work in the way you suggested.


John K.

[Les_K]

Air core Axial flux alternators

Been thinking what JB said about aircore for the generator part. The axial flux alternators are great for low rpm windmills as there is very little drag on startup. but as the rpms go up as is typical with all generators the drag increases. Thinking in terms of this as a G-field I have thought about using a stator much like an R/C outrunner 3 phase motor. But I think I would want to get a higher voltage and if possible DC spikes rather than dealing with current. Anyone got any ideas?

Les

[erfinder]

Been thinking what JB said about aircore for the generator part. The axial flux alternators are great for low rpm windmills as there is very little drag on startup. but as the rpms go up as is typical with all generators the drag increases. Thinking in terms of this as a G-field I have thought about using a stator much like an R/C outrunner 3 phase motor. But I think I would want to get a higher voltage and if possible DC spikes rather than dealing with current. Anyone got any ideas?

Les

I have tried several flux gating techniques, and they all result in the rotor accelerating when you apply an electrical load to the gen coils. Just think G-field or the Leedskalnin PMH and you got the perfect generator! US 7,109,671 B2 is the perfect example of a flux gating motor generator combination...its beautiful, and it works...and its in my opinion directly related to the topic under discussion, and if that weren't enough, the patent is one of John Bedini's patents!

One of the unique features of this particular design topology is the concept of two asymmetrical spikes....I highly recommend this patent as a source of inspiration!

Regards

[minoly]

Patrick's GT replication attempt take 1

Patrick's GT replication attempt take 1 - YouTube

still waiting on wire so
I snagged an 8 filer off my bike wheel :-)
I have some wire in series and some in parallel going for the buck boost effect.
I'm going for the smaller replication, my target is similar to the coils at the last conference.

free energy ain't so free :-)

Patrick

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi erfinder you said about bedinis patent, "One of the unique features of this particular design topology is the concept of two asymmetrical spikes....I highly recommend this patent as a source of inspiration!"

I have also heard from a little voice, that it may have anti-gravity properties also.
peace love light
tyson

[erfinder]

Hi folks, Hi erfinder you said about bedinis patent, "One of the unique features of this particular design topology is the concept of two asymmetrical spikes....I highly recommend this patent as a source of inspiration!"

I have also heard from a little voice, that it may have anti-gravity properties also.
peace love light
tyson

Hi SkyWatcher,

"A method is utilized to temporarily produce a much larger source of available external energy around an energized coil. Then the unique design features of this new motor provides a method and a mechanism that can immediately produce a second increase in that energy, concurrently as the energy flow is reversed. Therefore, the motor is capable of producing two asymmetrical back EMFs, one after the other, of the energy within a single coil, which dramatically increases the energy available and causes that available excess energy to then enter the circuit impulsively, being collected and utilized."

That is a quote direct from the patent. The question that should be asked, and maybe I missed it when someone did ask is how are the two asymmetrical spikes being generated? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that one spike is being generated by the drive circuit. How this other spike is generated is a secret known only by the inventor of the method.

I have preformed a few experiments in this direction and I have found a means for producing two additional "spike like" manifestations, the method has commonalities with the Kromrey and G-Field devices; namely flux gating.... Is flux gating an aspect of this patented device? I say spike like because what I'm seeing is not a true transient, it is a spike like phenomena which starts off with a wide base. The more abrupt the change the higher the potential of this spike like phenomena, similar to what we see with electronic switching where the faster the switch transitions, the higher the transient voltage...

With reference to Fig.1 of the aforementioned patent, it can be seen that the inventor of the concept incorporated the mechanism for flux gating....if the magnets in the rotor are replaced with iron slugs we have a flux gate system which is similar to the Kromrey, and with the permanent magnets left in place we have something similar to the G-field device.

At the end of the day, it must be said that we have been provided with tons of of insightful information, in the various documents and posts found online, videos, and other outlets. Various machines have been demonstrated, their operating principles broken down in layman's terms. I believe our main problem is that we aren't connecting the dots, we aren't seeing the big picture (if there even is one....I believe there is...) We aren't seeing how all these different machines are demonstrating the various aspects of a single machine. The referenced patent is in my opinion the official public record of the G-Field, or "completed and or perfected (balanced) monopole (Energizer)".

It is highly likely that I am way way way way off....but you know what...it doesn't matter...results always speak for themselves.

Regards

[Rl2003]

erfinder,
Yes that is a good question. Could it be a kick back of sorts. As I see it when
the magnetic field is induced into the core, (north lets say)---->
there should be another magnet field in front of it (north magnet)<-----,
would this cause "the or a" pole to swap? (If the fields are the same
strenght) Ring once, second ring free?

I had a Engineer from Sweden in my lab today, and I started up the
Mini BT3. It's been sitting for a while so I am using a power supply to run it.
I had a 22000uf 75v cap hooked to the dump and could only get it to dump
at low rpm's, at first. The interesting thing I was able to show was a very long
Positive and negitive spike with a ring after. I have my probe on 10X but
it was almost off the screen. Very Faint and because of the low rpm's the wave
is moving a lot and doesnt show up well on a photo.
At 36 v and 400 ma in and 40 plus volts on the Meter out , he was just scraching
his head for at least 30 min. All the time I had my finger slowing the rotor down.
When I let it spool up to higher rpms, It droped the 36v's to 24v's, and the
amps droped to 200 ma. I think he is still scraching..
I am still scraching my head, because I still don't have a clear picture of what
is happening.

Mark

Hi SkyWatcher,

"A method is utilized to temporarily produce a much larger source of available external energy around an energized coil. Then the unique design features of this new motor provides a method and a mechanism that can immediately produce a second increase in that energy, concurrently as the energy flow is reversed. Therefore, the motor is capable of producing two asymmetrical back EMFs, one after the other, of the energy within a single coil, which dramatically increases the energy available and causes that available excess energy to then enter the circuit impulsively, being collected and utilized."

That is a quote direct from the patent. The question that should be asked, and maybe I missed it when someone did ask is how are the two asymmetrical spikes being generated? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that one spike is being generated by the drive circuit. How this other spike is generated is a secret known only by the inventor of the method.

I have preformed a few experiments in this direction and I have found a means for producing two additional "spike like" manifestations, the method has commonalities with the Kromrey and G-Field devices; namely flux gating.... Is flux gating an aspect of this patented device? I say spike like because what I'm seeing is not a true transient, it is a spike like phenomena which starts off with a wide base. The more abrupt the change the higher the potential of this spike like phenomena, similar to what we see with electronic switching where the faster the switch transitions, the higher the transient voltage...

With reference to Fig.1 of the aforementioned patent, it can be seen that the inventor of the concept incorporated the mechanism for flux gating....if the magnets in the rotor are replaced with iron slugs we have a flux gate system which is similar to the Kromrey, and with the permanent magnets left in place we have something similar to the G-field device.

At the end of the day, it must be said that we have been provided with tons of of insightful information, in the various documents and posts found online, videos, and other outlets. Various machines have been demonstrated, their operating principles broken down in layman's terms. I believe our main problem is that we aren't connecting the dots, we aren't seeing the big picture (if there even is one....I believe there is...) We aren't seeing how all these different machines are demonstrating the various aspects of a single machine. The referenced patent is in my opinion the official public record of the G-Field, or "completed and or perfected (balanced) monopole (Energizer)".

It is highly likely that I am way way way way off....but you know what...it doesn't matter...results always speak for themselves.

Regards

[John_Bedini]

Box with two wires

You should be able to get your machine running. As for the box with two wires, one in and one out it's a fet opto hooked up to trigger on the pluses on the peak of the spike RS almost has it. I guess you could say the cap charges up and the Fet goes into breakdown and the current is delivered to the secondary batteries. That is why the secondary charges so fast.

[BrentA929]

Bfw

John B,

Glad to see you popping in now and again...

My build could sure use some JB inspiration!!!


Many Thanks, Brent

You should be able to get your machine running. As for the box with two wires, one in and one out it's a fet opto hooked up to trigger on the pluses on the peak of the spike RS almost has it. I guess you could say the cap charges up and the Fet goes into breakdown and the current is delivered to the secondary batteries. That is why the secondary charges so fast.

[John_Bedini]

self trigger in reverse breakdown

BrentA929,
Yes I see you over at the Earth Lights all the time. Look I will open the box and show you what is in it. This is an easy one for this group as they are more advanced. I do not run that big motor much as it barley fits in my shop and the Chinese keep asking to buy it, but it's like a tooth of which I knocked out.
If you look at these DC solid state switches you will find that you can hook them up to self trigger in reverse breakdown. That is all it is, you guys should be able to figure that one out, that is why you only see two wires coming out of the box. The capacitor charges from the Bedini/Cole switch and then the fet breaks down. But if you really think about it a sidac hooked up to this solid state relay will also work. Just put your thinking caps on about what I just said.
John

[John_Bedini]

Just ask

Well, guys I'm sorry but once I'm into a project as John K will tell you I'm in till I know everything about it and that just happens to be Crystal batteries Right now. But you can come over to that group and ask me to come over which I will do.
John