Bedini Earth Light

[altrez]

Altrez,
Yes I do know how much Grunt work this all is. Now let me say something about PZT as this dielectric material I have used Piezos made from that material in water machines as I built ultra sonic amplifiers for them.You can see the experiments on my Rife page converting RF energy to voltage so this is not new to me. It's not the only material that does this in zero point energy, if that is what it is. All that I'm saying is that you can't afford to buy this stuff and get instant results as it will need to be doped to do what you want. I must stay with simple so everybody can do it.
John H and Marcus Reid are asking for money so what does that tell you. I'm not going to ask anybody for money here to do these experiments. Power1 should prove the unit he talks about with the materials he is using, show me. You can already buy a water battery good for three uses, then buy another one.

I was able to buy Barium Titanate for a good price but most would say that is too much money. So I will see how all this works out.
I must agree with Lidmotor keep it simple to do. I do not own a diffusion chamber here to do some of this stuff but I could make one, but why Nature has already done it in the rocks. It just takes the correct rock to gain the materials you need.

My battery was a success at 1.65 Volts using the Mag oven over night. so here is what I used Tin oxide, Carborundum, Zinc sulphide and Portland Cement. Rocks are not My problem as I live in rock country here and have rivers and mines everywhere. The problem is finding the correct rock and having it analyzed so you know what materials are in it. Then passing the information on to the group.

Calcium Carbonate is the same thing as Marble chips as most of the calcium carbonate is made from it. It can be found at Home Depot, Lows and garden shops, so what is Lime Stone but Calcuim Carbonite with some impurties you may want. Cement already has it in it. Cement batteries work just fine when these things so you would want add the sodium silicate to the cement with crushed marbel chips and heat it up in the oven or use the sun. The next thing to work on is the electrodes as this is going to make a big differance.
Cement Batteries when useing copper and zinc have a voltage of .7 volts that does not work.
When useing copper and alumiun you get 1.75 volts
John B

Mr. Bedini,

I do apologize for I did not phrase my question properly. To me grunt work = current or Amp output. Trust me I am a bench kinda of guy and I enjoy hard work even if I don't get good results

So my question is; How much current do you think and or anticipate the battery you are working on will produce? Like I said I am still not sure how this all works. I am learning along the way and keeping it simple is a great idea.

Thank you for your most valuable time.

-Altrez

[FRC]

Cement Batteries

These cement batteries might work with my lighting system. Think I have some
cement in one of the back sheds and some sandbags too. Doing another lead/acid alum conversion right now.

FRC

[blackchisel97]

I don't care for your antique farm equipment idea, is that a Canadian thing

You have been warned once already by Aaron. Your comment directed at FRC and another country is far from polite, respectful or funny. Maybe this is common way to treat others in your homeland but I doubt it will be tolerated here, sir power1,powerme, Firangi or whatever identity you choose to wear.

V

[sucahyo]

My battery was a success at 1.65 Volts using the Mag oven over night. so here is what I used Tin oxide, Carborundum, Zinc sulphide and Portland Cement.

Thanks for sharing . Is it possible to modify zinc carbon battery into crystal battery?

Can we charge crystal battery ?


Mr Bedini, do you know why we can charge zinc carbon battery? I have some success with D-size and AA size for torch light and other small power use. Maybe it is not magic but maybe the knowledge can also help understand why crystal battery work too.

[John_Bedini]

Earth Lights/ Crystal Battery

Altrez,
I did want to answer your question as to the current produced.
The Cement Battery is over 250 Ma, The graphite carbon Magnesium with the new cells is standing at 25 Ma @ 100 hrs continuous on the oscillators. The Cement battery can be made to do real good, from some of the test it depends on the doping. But we will see as time goes on.

I leave all these batteries working and walk away like I have always done if it's dead out when I come back I start over recording Amp Hrs again.
These cells if built right seem to go continuous for days. Hope this helps.

The thing I have noticed about the Graphite Magnesium is that if you put some real work into it with big Magnesium rounds it is almost impossible to kill this cell for years to come and that is just plotting the degradation rate, but the Alum seem to slow that way down.
In my estimation they would power Led's in your back yard with just a little moisture for years.

We all started with Magnesium ribbon which will not last long at all in a continuous condition. But when you spend time designing the battery with .400 X 1.5" Magnesium rounds, four of them on top of the Graphite you are talking years at that load. I know of no other batteries that could even come close to that except the crystal cell.
John B

[John_Bedini]

Earth Lights 9/Cement Crystal Battery /John Bedini

In this video I explain how we made the Cement Battery and the chemicals used to dope it. We have done some things different in the way we made the copper electrode. The materials we used are:
Portland Cement 85%
Tin Oxide 2%
Zinc sulphide 2%
Carborundum 10%
The Battery after drying all night in a controlled Magnetic oven
is holding at 1.5 volts at over 100Ma continuous current. When the battery
depletes it self you just let it sit and it comes right back and runs the oscillator again.
John Bedini


YouTube - Earth Lights 9/Cement Crystal Battery /John Bedini

[FRC]

Just was a suggestion

I don't care for your antique farm equipment idea, is that a Canadian thing . I like these new things that just make energy all day and night. I am curious too to know what the current output is on John Bedini's Alum battery.

I already have a 24 hr free power supply source. Do not not want to explain it
because of legal implications. Solar was just a suggestion, not insisting you have to use it.

FRC

[John_Bedini]

No Names People That Hide

Firangi,
I would not usually say anything but take your crap some where else or I will make sure your removed. You are insulting for a NO NAME and are probably two of the same people. You have said nothing of any importance here. In fact why don't you all use your real names is it because you can hide behind it and say anything you want at any time and get away with it, wrong Why hide behind phony names it will get you nowhere. And if you think not TEST ME NO NAME.
John B

[blackchisel97]

In this video I explain how we made the Cement Battery and the chemicals used to dope it. We have done some things different in the way we made the copper electrode. The materials we used are:
Portland Cement 85%
Tin Oxide 2%
Zinc sulphide 2%
Carborundum 10%
The Battery after drying all night in a controlled Magnetic oven
is holding at 1.5 volts at over 100Ma continuous current. When the battery
depletes it self you just let it sit and it comes right back and runs the oscillator again.
John Bedini


YouTube - Earth Lights 9/Cement Crystal Battery /John Bedini

Thanks for the video I did notice that you have eliminated baking soda. Just for now or you think it wont be needed?
Funny, I was thinking about making a coil of copper too. I spent a few hours browsing different stores today and looking for suitable materials. Carborundum (and other) grinding wheels got my attention. I also found that they use Zinc Sulfide in "glow in the dark" gadgets (green). They have that stuff on eBay as well as Tin Oxide - used for rock tumblers and as a polishing compound for such. This maybe my only source. Unless I'll experiment with a different brew until I'll have everything.
I'm curious about magnetic polarization during curing process. This is getting v. interesting.


Vtech

BTW, this is my first name, just written differently for proper pronunciation in English

[Inquorate]

Alum salt

I finally found some at a shaver shop. Look for a styptic pencil. 56% alum sulphide, 44% titanium dioxide.

[Aaron]

@ferengi and powerme aka power1

"Power1" - you appear not to know Freud from Fraud so don't discuss
consciousness with me when you don't even know the references.
And to discuss anything about moral integrity, when you are initially
removed from the forum then sign up again in violation of forum rules,
you should be pointing the finger at yourself. Aggressive? I am simply
very intolerant to dishonesty and game playing. If you can't respect
the fact that you were removed from this PRIVATE forum and should
not sign up for multiple accounts then I am the one that prays that
someday you see the light. By the way, it is Jung that would be closer
to the money but only just so much and please don't confuse
spirituality and consciousness with a low self esteem and poverty
consciousness - they're aren't the same thing!

"Firangi" - You have no "rights" here. This is a PRIVATE forum with rules.
You're NOT free to disrupt progress with your
posts no matter what you feel or think. There are forum rules and
guidelines that revolve around very simple principles of honesty, etc...
just like virtually every other forum online that you have to sign up for.
It isn't a new concept by any stretch of the imagination!

If you come into someone's private home and
disrespect the guests, you're gone and you have no right to stay and
harass anyone else. Have your attorney contact me directly so he/she
can tell me how hard they laughed when you told them about your
rights in a private forum - I could use a good laugh right about now.

And to "both" of you - I will back John any day of the week - we have
been friends for about 11 years and I know what he has contributed to
this entire field and more, and I know his generosity as well as many of
the things he had to put up with from unappreciative people throughout
the years.

[FRC]

My Name

Firangi,
I would not usually say anything but take your crap some where else or I will make sure your removed. You are insulting for a NO NAME and are probably two of the same people. You have said nothing of any importance here. In fact why don't you all use your real names is it because you can hide behind it and say anything you want at any time and get away with it, wrong Why hide behind phony names it will get you nowhere. And if you think not TEST ME NO NAME.
John B

When I first joined this forum I thought you were supposed to have a screen name so I came up with one. I saw other members had avatar pictures of other people other than themselves so I did the same. The reason I chose Dr. Greg House (Hugh Laurie) is because people have told me I look like him. So now you kind of know what I look like. My name is George Kupchak and yes I am related to Mitch Kupchak L.A. Lakers General Manager.

FRC

[Inquorate]

Oh yeah that's why i left this forum. Can't we just delete the wankers?

[ibpointless2]

John Bedini,

I've talk to lidmotor about this idea and wanted to see if had the time to make it. It's nothing to far off of what you're already doing. Instead of copper and aluminum in your cement battery could you try aluminum and aluminium? Use the aluminum can like before and place a small, thick piece of aluminum where the copper usually went. The voltage want be as great but the fact that you'll get voltage will be something to celebrate because you'll know that the voltage is coming from somewhere else besides the galvanic reaction. I would try this myself but i find it hard to find time being a full time college student working full time too. I do thank you for all your great work that you so willing share to us, and it was you that got me interested in electronics more than any Professor i ever had.

[minoly]

This group moves fast in a couple of days time.

I might add a small tid-bit I'm sure you all do this automatically - for those who read that do not. before you permanently place your coils - which by the way we've used bi-filer wound pancake copper coils Tesla style. Sadly, we never wound one any other way so we have nothing to compare it to :-(

any way back to my note - take some steal wool and rub the copper to remove any built up oxidation, dirt, oil etc... the copper or any material used here will make better contact.

This is awesome stuff, my son and I are having good times learning together. much like when he was 4 - we started learning piano together, he quickly moved past me and tolerates my old brain - he does the same w/ all of these replications.


Patrick