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[mikrovolt]

I have some materials on order,
I am very excited about John and Chucks discovery,
I picture 2013 conference as a victory celebration.

The latest events are milestones
leading to the realization of a new power source.

The sodium in the soda ash must be the element that is common
in most biological organisms.

You all have been so encouraging.
thankyou for posting !

[Freezer]

Did another rundown of another zinc lead cell, using the same mixture. 100,000 samples/27.7 hours. Led is dim, drawing a little less than 1mA, but doesn't seem to want to extinguish. Not sure why the dip occurred at the 1.2v mark, as I didn't touch anything, but it seemed to come back, maybe it was my circuit or a ghost..
http://imageshack.us/a/img705/9471/zlc3.jpg

[Allwest]

They run at 1.2 volts at 2 Ma to run the led he needs two cells unless you use the oscillator.

Hi John,

Thanks for the facts

Do you know of anybody else who has beat this?


Thanks, and best of luck to you and chuck

[plengo]

Today during testing I found out something really interesting about these Lead/Alum cell.

I am running many long run tests where the cell receives very little input power and a long discharge into a load over time. I am convinced the cell with the Oscillator is generating its own power BUT one must show that with data and a simple test.

So, I decided to test the cell when it is shorted and put back into the load. Never receiving a charge. I did that based on the my findings of the cell extremely high resistance when charging and lower resistance when discharging.

When shorting the cell, to my surprise, she increases her voltage substantially to maintain the current flow to the load. This causes her internal resistance to increase and when switching to discharge mode and her resistance drops but while the resistance drops (or that transient time) she actually charges herself.

So my new test is very simple, during a certain pre-determined time, I connect the cell to the Oscillator, later I switch from the Oscillator to a short or very low resistance load. I repeat the process to "infinitum" (until my meter's batteries die usually). All controlled using Arduino and relays.

The voltage and current given over time is increasing not decreasing. I will make a video of it as soon as I have a nice long graph to prove that.

Fausto.

[plengo]

I would like to share some of my findings in my experiments.

Video part1: Crystal Cell 35 - YouTube
part 2: Crystal Cell 36 - YouTube

This test the cell does not have ANY input of power present.

Fausto.

[DadHav]

Lead Plates

I would like to share some of my findings in my experiments.

Video part1: Crystal Cell 35 - YouTube
part 2: Crystal Cell 36 - YouTube

This test the cell does not have ANY input of power present.

Fausto.

It looks like you're having fun Fausto. Do you have your oscillator circuit posted anywhere, or is this from one of John's diagrams?
I made a mold the other day and it looks like it works pretty good. I made two plates to try out and I'm running the official Rusty LidMotor Penny Oscillator with it. I have have some red led ordered and will try to get a little further with a cell later on.
Take care.
John Hav.

[DadHav]

Crystals on plates

Hello everyone. I don't know if this is of any interest but I heard someone mention they couldn't see into they're battery to see what it was doing. I have two pictures. The first one is the clear case 7 ah battery with alum electrolyte and it is completely discharged. The second one is the same battery and negative plate completely charged. You can see the crystals on the plate at the charged state as apposed to the smooth depleted discharged plates. I'm not sure this is an optimal situation but it is something interesting never the less.
Cheers.
John Hav.
Edit addition
I've noticed something else about the crystal formation in the battery. The clear case shows the crystals being absorbed into the electrolyte during discharge and forming back on the plates during charging. OK, I'm not always around during a long charge cycle, so I've missed something. As the battery charges there is a point where the crystals are at maximum but then start to decrease again at about the point where the battery starts releasing gases. So I'm thinking you can over charge and loose the effectiveness of the crystals. That is of course if the crystals are part of the effectiveness of the battery. If I remember right JB mentioned the charging process at the start of bubbling was complete.
Any thoughts?
John Hav.

[Lidmotor]

Single cell testing

@All
I have been working on small single cells and have been successful making a Lead/Alum AA size rechargeable. It is a shrunken down version of a 3 plate cell that JB made weeks ago only it is semi dry. This cell design allowed me to use it in AA type devices and chargers. There are some problems with it but overall ---it worked. Keeping it with the right moisture content is the biggest problem. Too wet and it will ruin any device you put it in. Too dry and it loses all power and will not recharge until remoistened. I really like the fact though, that I now have a cell that will recharge in wall outlet charger and in 10 min. be able to do real work.

Homemade rechargeable AA battery - YouTube

Homemade Rechargeable AA powering an LED flashlight - YouTube

I am doing cell testing with a number of devices but the one that has my attention now is a pulse drive motor unit out of AA battery powered waving "Lucky Cat". The way that device works is that it pulses out a signal to the electromagent coil until the magnet in front gets moving. Once the magnet starts moving past the coil the BEMF (yes the BEMF not flyback) sends energy back through the circuit and alters the pulse rate. For some reason this seems to help the homemade cell like what you are seeing Fausto. A drive unit out of a solar waving flower that you get in the dollar store should work the same. My led Penny oscillator is also being used for testing and I have seen some interesting effects with that also. The cell seems to recover between the pulses if you keep the amp draw extremely low. Water has to be there or my test cells go dormant. They can maintain a surface dry charge but have no power.

Lidmotor

[Allwest]

@All
I have been working on small single cells and have been successful making a Lead/Alum AA size rechargeable. It is a shrunken down version of a 3 plate cell that JB made weeks ago only it is semi dry. This cell design allowed me to use it in AA type devices and chargers. There are some problems with it but overall ---it worked. Keeping it with the right moisture content is the biggest problem. Too wet and it will ruin any device you put it in. Too dry and it loses all power and will not recharge until remoistened. I really like the fact though, that I now have a cell that will recharge in wall outlet charger and in 10 min. be able to do real work.

Homemade rechargeable AA battery - YouTube

Homemade Rechargeable AA powering an LED flashlight - YouTube

I am doing cell testing with a number of devices but the one that has my attention now is a pulse drive motor unit out of AA battery powered waving "Lucky Cat". The way that device works is that it pulses out a signal to the electromagent coil until the magnet in front gets moving. Once the magnet starts moving past the coil the BEMF (yes the BEMF not flyback) sends energy back through the circuit and alters the pulse rate. For some reason this seems to help the homemade cell like what you are seeing Fausto. A drive unit out of a solar waving flower that you get in the dollar store should work the same. My led Penny oscillator is also being used for testing and I have seen some interesting effects with that also. The cell seems to recover between the pulses if you keep the amp draw extremely low. Water has to be there or my test cells go dormant. They can maintain a surface dry charge but have no power.

Lidmotor

Hi Lid,

Great job, just a little refining

I had a thought that may or may not work with keeping in moist

If you could make a moist clay, salt, alum paste, and then heat shrink some plastic on it

Just an idea for you

Best of luck

[Allwest]

Microbial fuel cell

Microbial fuel cell

Interesting read

Microbial fuel cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Best of luck

[Lidmotor]

Mudwatt

Microbial fuel cell

Interesting read

Microbial fuel cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Best of luck

Thanks for the link to the Microbial fuel cell. That opens up a whole new area that we have not really looked deeply into -----but somebody has!!


KeegoTech | MudWatt™ MFC Kit



Remember the "Plant batteries" that most of us made a few years back. Well my "Phyllis" is still going strong after two years and our little microbe friends might be a contributing factor. This "MudWatt" product led me to search Youtube for more info on the microbial fuel cell. It seems that they are not that hard to make. Our blinking LED blocking oscillators (my Penny is one design) should work very easily off this cell. At first I suspected a galvanic situation hiding in the cell somewhere but the more that I researched into it the more I was convinced that the little creatures really are "making" the juice flow. The use of a carbon element for both cathode and anode was convincing and then the fact that the cell takes days before the electrical energy shows up reinforced my conculsion that this IS NOT A GALVANIC CELL!

I started looking for where to get inexpensive parts to make a test cell. The mud we can find anywhere for free but has to have lots of microbes in it. The jar can be anything. The low watt blinking led circuit most of us already have. The hard part was the "carbon felt" for the electrodes. I found that at Lowes in a "BerrnzOmatic heat cloth". That is the expensive part and costs almost $20 with tax. I will keep looking and there might be a better way to do it. You need alot of electrode surface area for the microbes to grow on and that was the reason they chose the carbon felt. Not enough surface area and the power will be very small.

This is something that we can build. Here is the build instruction for the MudWatt. Just fill in your own parts and go for it.

How To Build Your MudWatt - YouTube

Cheers,

Lidmotor

PS---I found other videos on Youtube about making homemade Microbial fuel cells but extreme care needs to be taken not to introduce a dissimilar metal situation anywhere in the build. Even the electrode wires could do it and give a false positive. If you see a voltage right away then something is wrong. It should take a few days to see a voltage show up on the cell. If the power drops off over time ---that is another red flag. The power should remain as long as the microbes are happy and eating. I found the whole idea very facinating when it is working right. There are some good videos explaining the process.

[vintasalo]

Hello.. Everyone, its been a long time

Hey Guys.. glad to see the magnesium and copper being used. Has anyone yet tried the Teflon on the (Magnesium) cathodes as a dielectric?

Saw in my YouTube Updates IB had a cell Running consistent for 6 or so days on the Glue/Epson/SSub Mix. 1.4Volts and Basically holding

I had a weird thing happen over time to a cell i made with sodium Sil and SSub. With a Copper/Mag setup. It seem to corrode a Copper color on the mix where the copper and Medium met.

lol, I thought I was Doing Alchemy!!

@IBpointless _ What was the Glue you were using? Was the SSub/Epson Crushed together before being mixed in the glue?

[ibpointless2]

Hey Guys.. glad to see the magnesium and copper being used. Has anyone yet tried the Teflon on the (Magnesium) cathodes as a dielectric?

Saw in my YouTube Updates IB had a cell Running consistent for 6 or so days on the Glue/Epson/SSub Mix. 1.4Volts and Basically holding

I had a weird thing happen over time to a cell i made with sodium Sil and SSub. With a Copper/Mag setup. It seem to corrode a Copper color on the mix where the copper and Medium met.

lol, I thought I was Doing Alchemy!!

@IBpointless _ What was the Glue you were using? Was the SSub/Epson Crushed together before being mixed in the glue?

I'll post because i was ask to. This thread seems to be dying off, I hope no one has given up just yet.

The video that vintasalo talks about is the data i collected over a week about the Glue cells and how they dry out. I had my crystal glue cell that i made and also other cells that either have one or two less ingredient than the crystal glue cell or a completely different ingredient. The goal of the test was to show that water does not stay trapped in the cell like most people have said before. As the glue dried out all cells except the crystal glue cell lost almost all of their voltages. What this shows is that the other cells use water as the median and that's why you got power, but since the crystal glue cell is still alive but has no water then what is its median?

The glue cells were made at the same time and are in the same environment. What this test shows is that water is not at play for the crystal glue cell and if it was the other cells would still working too. So now the new question is what is the median that the crystal glue cell uses? The crystal glue cell and my other cells are batteries that don't use water as a median.

Yes i know it seems like i go in circles here about the water thing but trust me, i want to find the water so that i can put this whole project to rest but when i go looking for the water i can't find it. Yes i know my cells only give uA but its not using water as a median so cut it some slack. The better i know what the median is the more i power i can get. As long as the median is not water the electrodes should last for a very long time.

here is the data..... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...k1DVF9WQ256T3c

here is the video..... My Crystal Cells does not use water and the data shows it - YouTube

vintasalo, here is a video i did last year on how to make my crystal glue cell....How to Make a Crystal Glue cell - YouTube

[DadHav]

More Info

I'll post because i was ask to. This thread seems to be dying off, I hope no one has given up just yet.

The video that vintasalo talks about is the data i collected over a week about the Glue cells and how they dry out. I had my crystal glue cell that i made and also other cells that either have one or two less ingredient than the crystal glue cell or a completely different ingredient. The goal of the test was to show that water does not stay trapped in the cell like most people have said before. As the glue dried out all cells except the crystal glue cell lost almost all of their voltages. What this shows is that the other cells use water as the median and that's why you got power, but since the crystal glue cell is still alive but has no water then what is its median?

The glue cells were made at the same time and are in the same environment. What this test shows is that water is not at play for the crystal glue cell and if it was the other cells would still working too. So now the new question is what is the median that the crystal glue cell uses? The crystal glue cell and my other cells are batteries that don't use water as a median.

Yes i know it seems like i go in circles here about the water thing but trust me, i want to find the water so that i can put this whole project to rest but when i go looking for the water i can't find it. Yes i know my cells only give uA but its not using water as a median so cut it some slack. The better i know what the median is the more i power i can get. As long as the median is not water the electrodes should last for a very long time.

here is the data..... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...k1DVF9WQ256T3c

here is the video..... My Crystal Cells does not use water and the data shows it - YouTube

vintasalo, here is a video i did last year on how to make my crystal glue cell....How to Make a Crystal Glue cell - YouTube

IB, I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. I can tell from your video that you're experiencing a little frustration on the project. I've been there plenty of times myself.
1. Have you used any larger size anodes and cathodes. The wires in the video where small with very little surface area.
2. I noticed you didn't try some of the other combinations of chemicals like alum or borax. At one time alum, Epsom, borax, and salt substitute was a popular combination. I'm wondering about straight alum.
3. It seemed as though you didn't want the crystals to dissolve completely in the glue. Is that the case or did you ever try stirring the crystals into the glue further.
4. It looked like your tests where with aluminum and copper but you made a note to use magnesium. Did you use magnesium and have the same promising results and was the voltage and current better with magnesium? My guess would be the potential was higher but also the risk of corrosion.
5. Was all of your tests with no load? I wonder if corrosion occurs without a load as well as with one. Does anyone have an answer for that?
The reason I ask is I might like to try something but I believe in gathering as much information as I can without reading through thousands of posts.
I'm sorry if all I asked is covered somewhere along the way.
John Hav.

[ibpointless2]

IB, I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. I can tell from your video that you're experiencing a little frustration on the project. I've been there plenty of times myself.
1. Have you used any larger size anodes and cathodes. The wires in the video where small with very little surface area.
2. I noticed you didn't try some of the other combinations of chemicals like alum or borax. At one time alum, Epsom, borax, and salt substitute was a popular combination. I'm wondering about straight alum.
3. It seemed as though you didn't want the crystals to dissolve completely in the glue. Is that the case or did you ever try stirring the crystals into the glue further.
4. It looked like your tests where with aluminum and copper but you made a note to use magnesium. Did you use magnesium and have the same promising results and was the voltage and current better with magnesium? My guess would be the potential was higher but also the risk of corrosion.
5. Was all of your tests with no load? I wonder if corrosion occurs without a load as well as with one. Does anyone have an answer for that?
The reason I ask is I might like to try something but I believe in gathering as much information as I can without reading through thousands of posts.
I'm sorry if all I asked is covered somewhere along the way.
John Hav.

1. Yes I have used bigger electrodes. I have one cell I call my 5 foot cell and it powers my LCD clock. It is overkill for the clock. Here is the video...Update on 5 foot tall Dry Crystal cell - YouTube
2. Yes I have tried many combinations before such as using Alum, borax, baking soda, rubbing alcohol, detergent, garlic, cream of tartar, etc... but they all died off too. Only the crystal glue cell would stay alive with voltage.
3. The salt dissolve in the water that's in the glue. The glue itself only acts as something to bond the electrodes together and also to protect. The water dissolves the salts and the salts while in the water combine together and when the water evaporates away a new unknown salt is left behind that is conductive and it is what makes my cells work. I make other cells like my copper tube cells where I completely dissolve the salt sub and Epsom salt into hot water and I dunk paper in the water and wrap it around a copper pipe. I allow the paper to dry on the pipe for a day or two and then I add the magnesium ribbon around the dry paper, this is how the 5 foot tall crystal cell was made.
4. The data in the spread sheet here....https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...k1DVF9WQ256T3c
that was posted was all done with copper and magnesium electrodes. Last year when I first made the cells I only used copper and aluminum as that was all I had at the time, since then I use copper and magnesium since it gives more voltage. The magnesium won't corrode if you avoid water.
5. The link for the spreadsheet was a no load, voltage only test. The idea is that a water battery voltage will go away as the water battery looses water. This was proven with the other glue cell but the crystal glue cell stayed alive above 1.3V. Yes I do run real load test on my cells. The problem is that they give low amps because they don't use water for their median. I have the 5 foot cell permantly running the LCD clock and I have my 6inch cell that is much like the 5 foot one in the way its made and it runs an analog amp meter. An analog amp meter is almost a short, its a motor that acts on a spring and I watch it to see what happens. I also chart its data and compare it to heat and humidity. Here is the link to the 6 inch cell data from it being hooked up to the analog amp meter.....https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Ux4UjA5Q0ZFSGc

I did this experiment last year around the same time and got the same results, here is that video.....Glue Crystal cell does not run on water - YouTube