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[sucahyo]

There are two big findings here:
1. Baking powder works very well for increasing amps.
2. A coil that is wound so that its wire is threaded through the center of the coil and out of the cell top can increase amps. Comparing it to the control it increased amps by 400%.

Thanks for sharing . More surface area = more current, maybe plate vs plate will produce higher amp? Maybe PCB and alumunium sheet as electrode and we put the mix in between?

[Inquorate]

Here are my results for the first day after cooking:

Please note these readings where taken at 65F (we keep our home cold)

Name: outer case / inner electrode / dope / Volts / mA on contact
1Control: Al / Cu / none / 1.3v / 1mA
1A: Al / Cu #10 wire coiled / none / 1.4v / 2mA
1B: Al / Cu #10 wire coiled and looped though bottom of coil then out of top / none / 1.45v / 4.2mA
1C: Cu / Al / none / 1.35v / .7mA
1D: Al / Cu / Block Seal (Sodium Silicate)(no water) / .37v / 0mA
1E: Al / Cu / Crushed Alum (ammonium alum) 1.42v / 2.8mA
1F: Al / Cu / Hydrogen Peroxide (no water) 1.46v / 5.5mA
1G: Al / Cu / Crushed Epson Salt (magnesium and magnesium sulfate) / 1.31v / 1.3 mA
1H: Al / Cu / Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) / 1.39v / 7.2mA
1I: Al / Cu / Baking Powder (Sodium Aluminum Sulfate(soda alum) and calcium sulfate) / 1.42v / 26mA
1J: Al / Cu / Crushed Quartz rocks (from home depot) / 1.45v / 2mA
1K: Al / Cu Ammonia fumed oxide / none / 1.41v / 1.1mA
1L : Cu / Cu / none / 0v / 0mA
1M: Al / Al / none / 0v / 0mA
1N: Al / Cu / Crushed Tums (Calcium Carbonate) / 1.06v / .1mA

There are two big findings here:
1. Baking powder works very well for increasing amps.
2. A coil that is wound so that its wire is threaded through the center of the coil and out of the cell top can increase amps. Comparing it to the control it increased amps by 400%.

Thanks,

Ross W

excellent info
can you try one with bi-carb (baking) soda and ammonium alum and coiled wire?

[everyidea]

@sucahyo
Plates are on my todo list as soon as I fine tune the household mix. But, looking at this picture, there isn't a ton more surface area for 1B coil than there is for coil for 1A. I'm holding 1B coil with the end of the coil looping into the center of the coil and out. As you can see there's maybe an extra 15-20% more copper than a regular coil but we're getting twice the amps. Induction maybe?

@Inquorate
I'll put that mix in round two, plus I want to test borax so we get a baseline for that too.

Please note the size of these cells are much smaller than a beer/pop can. They are about 1"x1"x2".

Thanks,

rw

[sucahyo]

@sucahyo
Plates are on my todo list as soon as I fine tune the household mix. But, looking at this picture, there isn't a ton more surface area for 1B coil than there is for coil for 1A. I'm holding 1B coil with the end of the coil looping into the center of the coil and out. As you can see there's maybe an extra 15-20% more copper than a regular coil but we're getting twice the amps. Induction maybe?

Thank you. How about relative distance, is it the same? Maybe the rule is same as electrolysis, more surface, closer distance, better electrolyte increase amp.

If it is special shape that make the difference, maybe CW and CCW make a difference.

[everyidea]

@sucahyo
Not sure what you mean by relative distance, but coil 1A is actually one loop longer than coil 1B, due to the need for the loop on the end of coil 1B. They where wrapped around the same pen and spaced identically between the windings. The only difference was that 1B looped up and straight through the coil. I'd like to make a larger cell that has multiple coils inside themselves and also test winding directions...

Thanks,

rw

[Inquorate]

Cosmic radiation

@John_Bedini can i be a pain and ask if the battery you are charting shows any correlation with recent earthquake activity, since earthquakes seem to show such a strong correlation with cosmic radiation and planetary cycles; Heretical Builders
we suspect the crystal batteries convert heat / photons to electrons.. How about high energy cosmic radiation?
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[sucahyo]

@sucahyo
Not sure what you mean by relative distance, but coil 1A is actually one loop longer than coil 1B, due to the need for the loop on the end of coil 1B. They where wrapped around the same pen and spaced identically between the windings. The only difference was that 1B looped up and straight through the coil. I'd like to make a larger cell that has multiple coils inside themselves and also test winding directions...

Thanks,

rw

Thanks for the explanation . I meant distance between copper and alumunium.

[everyidea]

Thanks for the explanation . I meant distance between copper and alumunium.

Yep, same distance. They where rapped around the same pen so they had the same diameter and both where placed in the dead center of the cell.

Round 2 I'm going to test borax, TSP - (Trisodium Phosphate) and Soda Ash (sodium carbonate) and also some combo's of the last round. I'm interested to see what hydrogen peroxide will do when mixed with baking powder.

The coolest thing about these cells is watching the volts rise back to their starting place after cell use, with nothing connected to them except the volt meter, so cool.

rw

[sucahyo]

Yep, same distance. They where rapped around the same pen so they had the same diameter and both where placed in the dead center of the cell.

Thank you .


BTW, mine starting at >0.5mili Amp now at 0.1mili amp after 5 days of continuously connected to the ampmeter. Should the cell reduce power after being constantly loaded?

[everyidea]

Should the cell reduce power after being constantly loaded?

My cells find their "happy place" when loaded and stay there, both in V and mA. For my best cell, 1I, it's .84v @ 3.16mA. Once I switch my meter from mA to V then you can watch the volts climb right back to 1.43v or so.

Ross W

[John_Bedini]

Question.........

Inquorate,
This is a subject that I really do not want to get into, but I will answer you this one time. The cell did bounce around a little very small amount with the charting. But the Scalar Tuner was all over the place. I'm sorry to say this but were not finished with any of this. It's going to get far worse and "They" know it, that is why they are storing food, but not for us just them. It is time to put all differences aside and work together. I really hate to know anything about any of this, but I guess it's my path in life. I just see things far different then most people and always have. Yes I'm off the wall sometimes but I'm really afraid at what I see going on with the whole world. Take for example the Sun and what is going on with it, that Star can cook you right one side of the planet, reason for under ground bases built everywhere, but not for you. That is all I'm going to say about it.
John B

[Inquorate]

Thankyou John.

[mbrownn]

Thank you for replying to Inquorate's question and I understand your position.

[sucahyo]

Many thanks for the warning John. I have read your warning about that before. Something big is still to come. In Indonesia many mountain has become active. If all the pressure valve whistle, then the pressure must be great. I hope everyone will be safe.

My cells find their "happy place" when loaded and stay there, both in V and mA. For my best cell, 1I, it's .84v @ 3.16mA. Once I switch my meter from mA to V then you can watch the volts climb right back to 1.43v or so.

Ross W

Thank you. I hope I can improve my cell to that level. I will keep trying.

[everyidea]

@sucahyo & all,

After monitoring these cells for a while, it's easy to say these are temperature driven cells. I can monitor the changes in my house and see the change in the cells mA readings. This leads me to believe that they are thermoelectric. I can gently lay a finger on a cell and make it increase its mA reading. During the day when the furnace is not on, my best cell will loose mA's. But, at night or the morning when the furnace is switching on and off I can see my cell increase mA's when under mA meter load. Maybe these would make a new type of solar cell...

My ammonium alum cell isn't a great performer, but it's the only one that will bottom out and stay at a constant level during mA meter load, no mater the temp.

FYI, I can confirm John B.'s use of borax dipping in regards to CuO flaky layer stripping after roasting the Cu in order to expose the preferred CuO "gate". This process out performed the roasting and just leaving the flaky layer on, which was on my control cell.

Thanks again John B. for sharing this knowledge, it's much appreciated.

EDIT
Update on cells: After a week all are keeping their Volts pretty much the same but the mA on the start load has greatly decreased. My best cell 1I is now starting at 6mA and slows way down when it hit's about 3mA and then it's a real slow decline. None of them are holding a constant mA when meter loaded, they all drop pretty fast then hit a wall, where they start loose mA very slowly. All I have to do is touch the cell or take off the load and they charge back up. But, they're not starting out with the same mA's that they once had when new.

rw