Bedini Earth Light

[ibpointless2]

I've been much more careful about my readings on these petrovoltaic cells here lately. The latest test I've done was to cut off ALL power to my house. So flipped the main breaker and my house had no current flowing in it so that I could eliminate the chance that I was reading stray voltage from CFL's or from the walls. The good news is that these petrovoltaic cells still produce voltage. I even moved the cells around to different place in my yard and drove around and they still give off voltage.

I find the best test that I do is the shorting the cell out test. I never seen any battery of any type able to slowly go back to the original standing voltage after being shorted out for a day or even a week like some of the cells. Removing the short shows the cell go back up in voltage to almost the original standing voltage and over a few minutes it slowly goes back to the original standing voltage and some have even gone up above the standing voltage but I consider to be apart of the temperature and lunar effects. I do believe that these cell can't last forever, they must drain, after all everything dies eventually.

I do find that temperature is a real mixed bag. I remember working on cells that used distilled water as the dielectric and one day the hot water would raise the voltage but next week the cell wasn't affected by it. If anything temperature would raise the voltage slightly but it can be hard to say that these petrovoltaic cells are driven by temperature.

These cells also do act like a low micro farad capacitor when given a charge.

I have made some glue cells that are given power from a AA battery while its drying, as to treat like a electret. It does take the charge but I think High voltage would work better. A AA battery at 1.300 volts would have the glue electret cell at about .400 volts after 3 days of resting and fully dried out. It does hold around .400 volts but I think high voltage would align the cells up better than this low voltage method.

I'm also back at testing some rocks from my drive way again and them too when the power from the house is cut off still give off a very small voltage.

[pengrove]

Hey John Bedini, you have all the secrets of the Universe at your disposal. Why not slip one under the rug to the masses before we totally self destruct?

You have a lot of weight on your shoulders man. But its your own free will to take and give back as you please. These batteries can hardly be the cream of your crop.

[abdlquadri]

He has been doing that since 1984

Hey John Bedini, you have all the secrets of the Universe at your disposal. Why not slip one under the rug to the masses before we totally self destruct?

You have a lot of weight on your shoulders man. But its your own free will to take and give back as you please. These batteries can hardly be the cream of your crop.

We are just lazy thats it. JB can not say much explicitly order than the battery chargers bcos of the MIB. I have been listening to open your mind with bill jenkins (1984) - the recordings http://ca.isohunt.com/download/11056...enkins.torrent. I will have to try out the Device in the FEG book - thefirst part. My believe in that device has increased after listening to those shows. Come to think out it I was 2yrs old then lol... Still no one has got the patience to replicate it except JW who disappeared bcos it is real.

[pengrove]

yes he does release things but gives little explanation on what his devices are doing. No one ever explains that all energy is the same. Energy from the vacuum you say? Maybe energy under vacuum, but from the vacuum? The energy is the vacuum not from it.

After this latest Obama trick. I do believe in the MIB. This world is ran by a bunch of nut cases.

[Aaron]

energy is not the vaccum

yes he does release things but gives little explanation on what his devices are doing. No one ever explains that all energy is the same. Energy from the vacuum you say? Maybe energy under vacuum, but from the vacuum? The energy is the vacuum not from it.

After this latest Obama trick. I do believe in the MIB. This world is ran by a bunch of nut cases.

It is FROM the vaccum. The vacuum, which is really a misnomer - it should
be called the plenum has the potential. A dipole breaks the symmetry of
that potential and that potential moves to the poles on the dipole and
moves over the wires - WHEN that potential is moving and causes "electrons"
to move, that is observed as amps and that times the pressure of the
potential (voltage) is watts and that is work or energy.

The vaccum is the ocean that contains the potential, which is NOT
WORK YET - when the potential is tapped and the potential moves from
one potential to another, THAT is work and work is energy. So energy
is moving potential, potential is from the vaccum and the vaccum supplies
the potential, the vaccum is NOT energy.

John gives "little" explanation of what the devices are doing? It has been
there in Bearden's books and in John's writings from the beginning. How
you happen to have missed all of this is beyond me.

Your explanation has completely twisted the facts backwards and
claiming energy IS the vaccum is claiming that energy and potential is
the same - please do your research before you misinform anyone that
may not know better.

[pengrove]

It is FROM the vaccum. The vacuum, which is really a misnomer - it should
be called the plenum has the potential. A dipole breaks the symmetry of
that potential and that potential moves to the poles on the dipole and
moves over the wires - WHEN that potential is moving and causes "electrons"
to move, that is observed as amps and that times the pressure of the
potential (voltage) is watts and that is work or energy.

The vaccum is the ocean that contains the potential, which is NOT
WORK YET - when the potential is tapped and the potential moves from
one potential to another, THAT is work and work is energy. So energy
is moving potential, potential is from the vaccum and the vaccum supplies
the potential, the vaccum is NOT energy.

John gives "little" explanation of what the devices are doing? It has been
there in Bearden's books and in John's writings from the beginning. How
you happen to have missed all of this is beyond me.

Your explanation has completely twisted the facts backwards and
claiming energy IS the vaccum is claiming that energy and potential is
the same - please do your research before you misinform anyone that
may not know better.

You are being told what energy is instead of finding out for yourself. DO you really know where this vacuum is? Can you explain that to me? The vacuum is a form of potential energy. Its a condition that energy is under. And it was created by you and its not a normal condition. How can someone make a claim that energy comes form the vacuum when its actually energy under a vacuum, Centripetal forces not centrifugal. Contracting energy not expanding. Energy does not come from anywhere, it was there in the first place.

Yes a sea of energy in which the earth floats does exist. But the ocean is not centripetal only in nature.

You can use their words if you want.

I am not twisting anyones words. You just don't know all the facts.

The monopole is an energy vacuum pump, very simply put.

[John_K]

You are being told what energy is instead of finding out for yourself. DO you really know where this vacuum is? Can you explain that to me? The vacuum is a form of potential energy. Its a condition that energy is under. And it was created by you and its not a normal condition. How can someone make a claim that energy comes form the vacuum when its actually energy under a vacuum, Centripetal forces not centrifugal. Contracting energy not expanding. Energy does not come from anywhere, it was there in the first place.

Yes a sea of energy in which the earth floats does exist. But the ocean is not centripetal only in nature.

You can use their words if you want.

I am not twisting anyones words. You just don't know all the facts.

The monopole is an energy vacuum pump, very simply put. But not the SG.

Pengrove,

Aaron knows alot more about energy from than vaccuum than most folks around here. Do not disrespect his intelligence, he has done the experiments for years and knows what the vaccuum is and how to get the energy from it.

I am not being disrespectful to you, but your uneducated comments are making you look foolish. Especially your last one.


John K.

[John_K]

you have got to be kidding me. You dont have a clue about energy either. Uneducated get real. John B can stick up for himself. Why does he need you?

The foolish people are the ones that believe energy is both positive and negative. That is a huge lie. Keep eating the hamburger helper your being sold.

Pengrove,

You know nothing about me, so don't try and insult me that way.

I don't eat hamburgers.


John K.

[citfta]

Put up or shut up

Ok pengrove,

According to you we don't have a clue so show us what you've got. Start your own thread and show us the circuits and the videos of your devices working. Explain to us what we are doing wrong. I am really getting tired of the people who keep posting about how those of us that are actually building and testing and trying to learn and saying we don't know what we are doing. If you think John B is not telling us everything then tell us this secret knowledge you say he is keeping back. Of course if you haven't actually built anything then just go away. We already have enough people that are full of theory and nothing to back it up.

Carroll

[pengrove]

Ok pengrove,

According to you we don't have a clue so show us what you've got. Start your own thread and show us the circuits and the videos of your devices working. Explain to us what we are doing wrong. I am really getting tired of the people who keep posting about how those of us that are actually building and testing and trying to learn and saying we don't know what we are doing. If you think John B is not telling us everything then tell us this secret knowledge you say he is keeping back. Of course if you haven't actually built anything then just go away. We already have enough people that are full of theory and nothing to back it up.

Carroll

I have already built some of Johns stuff. What John is saying is correct but does not seemed to be understood correctly. Energy from the vacuum of a collapsing magnetic field. Its good stuff. Just calling it the vacuum could mean a few things. I have cluttered this thread up enough, Erase time.

[Aaron]

@Pengrove

The vacuum is a form of potential energy. Its a condition that energy is under.

That's my point, you have to understand the difference between potential
and energy.

You state 1) vacuum is a form of potential energy.
You state 2) It is a condition energy is under.
You state 3) And it was created by you and its not a normal condition.
You state 4) Centripetal forces not centrifugal. Contracting energy not
expanding.

1 is almost correct - the vaccum is to potential as water is to the sea.
In either case, it is the source of potential - you could say vacuum is
a form of potential - just as long as you don't claim it is energy, which
you have.

2 is quite a bit off - when potential is at it's source, it is NOT energy
because it is very symmetrical with no potential differences for the
most part and is POTENTIAL, which is NOT YET ENERGY. It is only energy
when there is a separation of charges and you give a path for positive
potential to move to the negative potential and the negative potential
to move to the positive potential - when that happens, current is caused,
which is work and is the definition of energy = work.

3 - I'm not sure what is influencing you to believe this, but I can assure
you we are not creating the vacuum and that the vacuum IS the default
normal condition for the source potential when the potential is away from
any dipole, which separates the potential charges.

Moray's use of "Sea of Energy" is a misuse of the language, but his
meaning is completely understood. That
sea of energy he refers to is the vacuum filled with infinite potential - there
is only energy when the symmetry of that potential is broken and can be
moved to cause work. In a symmetrical state, it is potential which means
NO WORK. But you are right, the "sea of energy" does exist but you have
too actually know that this use of "energy" is actually a reference to
POTENTIAL and not literal work in and of itself.

It is only "energetic" because of it's flux but the overall state is very
symmetrical and homogeneous. When you look at the "snow" on a tv
screen when the station is off air, you are seeing energetic movement, but
the overall state of it is symmetrical chaos. There is no structure or form
because of that symmetry. Please don't confuse that with "energy"
because it is not. The snow on a tv screen is only a potential picture
but is not a picture or work or energy since it is just that, a potential
picture.

4 - You are almost preaching to the choir, but not quite.
Centripetal and contracting "energy" is how you define the gain or self
organization of potential. When the act of energy dissipates the potential
back to the vacuum so it is in a symmetrical state again, that is NOT
centripetal, nor is it a contraction or self organization of potential, it is
the OPPOSITE. The vacuum potential is the OPPOSITE of self organization.
If you have a system that does work, dissipates potential and the system
RE-ESTABLISHES a potential difference (dipole) that causes potential to
come from the vacuum back into your system, that re-establishment or
broken symmetry of that potential to let the potential to actually move
and do work is what the CONTRACTING or SELF ORGANIZATION is. It
comes from the vacuum when that potential is reorganized into a
broken symmetry state. Then you have a voltage, which is just VOLTAGE
POTENTIAL that could cause a certain amount of work if you give it a
path to go.

If you want to use Schauberger's terminology, you have to understand
what it means - otherwise you are simply using them out of context and
in an inappropriate way.

If you drop a rubber ball, energetic dissipation happens, ball bounces
up and establishes a NEW potential difference and NEW gravitational
potential can come back into the system to do more work with a bit of
dissipation each time. Each time the ball bounces up, that is a
self-organization (re-establishment of another dipole).

If you charge a coil, energetic dissipation happens, magnetic field
collapses and that SHARP GRADIENT is a very strong and quick potential
difference that allows NEW potential to enter the system and be sent to
a battery or capacitor and this new potential can do more work
with a bit of dissipation overall each time so that each successive
self-organization or re-establishment (contraction) will be less and less
of a potential difference - that is why all these systems are not an
infinite COP because all these over 1.0 cop systems contribute to the
overall dissipation happening in the entire universe collectively.

The bounce, inductive spike, etc... are all re-establishments of new
potential differences are ARE the analogies of the CONTRACTION or
SELF-ORGANIZATION of potential. That potential comes from the vacuum
but is NOT the vacuum itself.

When you say: "The monopole is an energy vacuum pump, very simply put."

Yes, it is a pump but when the terms energy are used in these ways,
it is a popular casual usage of it but is technically wrong. Yes, the
MAGNETS and their interaction with the magnetic field of the coil are
pumps that cause potential differences and at those points of potential
differences, the potential in the vacuum are separated into negative
and positive and move to their respective poles to enter the circuit
and get added to what is already there (minus any dissipation) so it isn't
a true recycling of the same potential or energy, it is a way to recycle
the ability to simply cause new dipoles or potential differences to allow
vacuum potential to come into the circuit over and over and over with
a bit of dissipation each time.

The very premise of this thread is about a battery, and no matter how
it is constructed, it is the fundamental basis of tapping the potential of the
vacuum - because it is a dipole, which breaks the symmetry of the
potential of the vacuum - that potential is available at those terminals
and when you give it a path to the opposite potential work happens.

It is understandable when the terms energy or vacuum energy are used
because it is understood what it means. Overunity doesn't mean anything
and is an oxymoron because you can't have more than everything you have
but for the most part, most people understand what the point is when that
word is used. But when you make outright claims as you have, I could
be wrong but you clearly seem to not know the differences or the
distinctions and your claims about what energy and potential are. And while
throwing in concepts of centripetal or contracting when those aren't
even a part of the conversation to begin with in the context of energy
and potential for the sake of discussing energy and potential, it is very
highly suspect to me and you appear to be spreading disinformation in
order to confuse people.

There is enough confusion in the world without
this so please do your research, read what Bedini and Bearden have been
saying for a long time and look at the REFERENCES that back the
explanations and you will probably learn something IF and ONLY IF you
are teachable. I've seen your posts in the other threads before and
I'm not overwhelmingly optimistic that you are truly here to give
constructive contributions to this forum.

Please start a new thread to explore your opinions there, you are clearly
confused and are giving claims that are contrary to reality and common
sense and your definitions even contradict the conventional definitions
and distinctions between energy and potential. The conventional definition
of potential is wrong because it is seen as an abstract concept but
potential is a very real thing that interacts with mass to impart a push
and therefore work. But nevertheless, energy and potential are not
the same thing.

Yes, you have twisted my words and you do so deceptively with your
denial on top of it and then you tell me I don't have the facts when you
don't even know the differences or distinctions about what you're
talking about - Please post elsewhere unless you want to post on topic
with the confusing misinformation.

[wrtner]

It is FROM the vaccum. The vacuum, which is really a misnomer - it should be called the plenum has the potential. A dipole breaks the symmetry of
that potential and that potential moves to the poles on the dipole and
moves over the wires - WHEN that potential is moving and causes "electrons"
to move, that is observed as amps and that times the pressure of the
potential (voltage) is watts and that is work or energy.

Nicely expressed. But a simple battery's two poles breaks the symmetry
of the charges. Why do the charges not rush into the battery?
Paul-R

[pengrove]

Aaron defends the partial model that was sold to him. Sadly all of the information that has been sold to you still has not given you energy independence. So the next obvious assumption would be that we do not know the true nature of energy as of yet.

And I dont blame that one on the MIB.

[Aaron]

@Paul

Nicely expressed. But a simple battery's two poles breaks the symmetry
of the charges. Why do the charges not rush into the battery?
Paul-R

Hi Paul,

What do you mean by the charges not rushing into the battery? It is a
voltage potential or a standing pressure of each respective charge at the
terminals. That pressure is based on how polarized the internal charges of
the battery are.

[Aaron]

@Pengrove

Aaron defends the partial model that was sold to him. Sadly all of the information that has been sold to you still has not given you energy independence. So the next obvious assumption would be that we do not know the true nature of energy as of yet.

And I dont blame that one on the MIB.

Again, you should start a new thread to discuss your opinions. What I said
is also my opinion but it is also common sense and pre-school logic that
energy and potential are not the same and you clearly have no idea what
the difference is.

If you post again on this matter you and your posts will be removed.