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Renaissance Convention

I hear JB had some "sweet" crystal cells at the convention. looking forward to hearing more about them from anyone who is in the know...

Patrick

[b_rads]

@IB:
I would like to have shown you the glue cell with copper and magnesium lighting an LED with Lidmotor’s Pancake Joule Thief but, the current has dropped to almost nothing and the circuit would not start. I could jump the cell with a AA Battery and the glue cell would barely light the LED for a few seconds before going out (the cell acts like a capacitor). I think too much of the charge was dumping into the first circuit capacitor before getting through the circuit. Interesting though is the cell, just like yours is still showing voltage. I measure slightly over 1 volt with no current and no visible degradation to the metals. This is quite unusual since the magnesium ribbon usually deteriorates fairly quickly. I enjoyed your last video and look forward to how you might apply this technology.
@NickZ:
I understand your frustration with these cells. Nothing is ever as easy as it appears or that you might think it should be. This has been a tremendous learning opportunity for me, and I have much to learn yet. I will continue to pursue these cells if for no other reason than it is inexpensive and the lessons learned here will benefit me if and when I decide to attempt other projects, and who knows, we might still stumble on something very positive here.
@Lidmotor:
The Steel Wire Pancake Joule Thief has been a lot of fun to play with. For grins and giggles, I connected this circuit to a small (quarter size or less) solar cell rated at 1.5v 40ma and it lights the LED as good as a AA battery. I have six of these cells and intend to see if anything useful can be done with these together. This circuit has been running nonstop from the cement cell since I made it and is performing as well today as when I started. I found a 50’ roll of the wire and doubled it over in the coil, hence the A and B wires were separate strands but it did not perform nearly as well.
Brad S

[ibpointless2]

@IB:
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#444444]I would like to have shown you the glue cell with copper and magnesium lighting an LED with Lidmotor’s Pancake Joule Thief but, the current has dropped to almost nothing and the circuit would not start. I could jump the cell with a AA Battery and the glue cell would barely light the LED for a few seconds before going out (the cell acts like a capacitor). I think too much of the charge was dumping into the first circuit capacitor before getting through the circuit. Interesting though is the cell, just like yours is still showing voltage. I measure slightly over 1 volt with no current and no visible degradation to the metals. This is quite unusual since the magnesium ribbon usually deteriorates fairly quickly. I enjoyed your last video and look forward to how you might apply this technology

that's good to hear b_rads about your cell. These glue cells act more like electret due to the nature of them having only voltage and very little amps. I'll be posting a video later on me trying light a LED for a few seconds with a joule thief type circuit, and I also will be showing some ideas I have too. These cell just like a electret can take shorting out very well and the no deterioration should help keep these cells going for a long time.

[mikrovolt]

Due to recent events the Frank Znidarsic constant may have been found in more than light and gravity which means the frequency sets are involved in
our energy cells. Possibly the size of the cells and the size of the gap
this could mean a dramatic increase in output. So the cell size resonates with these frequency sets and the gaps between layers sized to
allow these various frequencies to reside.
(also please leave the doc alone because he is very busy with all this, it can be exausting.) Congradulations on the continued discoveries Ron !

here are a bunch more new little spikies evenly spaced and increase dipole sent over 1 wire no tower.
‪Driving 48 LED's With Less Than 0.1pF Capacity Coupling‬‏ - YouTube

interview with Frank Znidarsic, a basic summary:

‪AlienScientist Interview with Frank Znidarsic Part 1 of 2‬‏ - YouTube
‪AlienScientist Interview with Frank Znidarsic Part 2 of 2‬‏ - YouTube
( Frank's doing well with his Plank's constant derivative )

I will PM JB this evening re: convention

[NickZ]

Guys:
I find several disadvantages with the cement cells as well as other cells that bothers me because I'm still not sure what is really going on.

The fact that the cement cells won't connect in parallel, so the total amount of current available is limited to just the amount of the current in the weakest cell, when placed in a parallel.
The second limitation is that they seam to form a resistance inside when they are in operation, that causes for a lowering of their current and voltage output. They are not discharging as people think, but are creating a resistance factor that is limiting their permanent output ability. When the leds get dim after a while of being connected to the cells, there is still enough current and voltage available, but the light is still dim.
A third limiting factor is that they will oxidize the electrodes in time, as well as possibly drying out and shrinking from the cans. And if additional external charge is applied to them they will oxidize the electrode even more quickly. Making them unfit to connect to solar panel, etz...
So, for the various reasons mentioned above, I am looking to see what can be done to make a permanent output cell that does not have the problems associated with the cement cells.

I hope to see some updates on Lasersaber Mg/C cell. And I also hope that John Bedini has some new ideas to share about his cells, also.


Ib: Thanks for showing your last video, hope to see your next one lighting an led. The two plates idea seams like a good way to go, especially with a dry type of sealed E-poxy - Epsom electret.
My glue cell is still has some output although it does not move my analog meter, it still helps to light the cement cell's red led. The cell still might have 0.2 volts left or so, but no current.
@ b-rads: Good to see you back in the game. Sorry if I sound a bit discouraged at times. I hope that you guys will all help to encourage me, with your new cells, tests, and ideas.
@ Lidmotor- although these cells won't light a house, or run a car, they are still interesting, especially their permanent output abilities. They make for great night lights, outdoor patio lights, and boat lights, as well.
I will still try to replicate the Mg/C cell, in my own way. Thank you for your replies.

[John_K]

Renaissance Charge Convention

I hear JB had some "sweet" crystal cells at the convention. looking forward to hearing more about them from anyone who is in the know...

Patrick

Hi Patrick,

Yes, John B demonstrated how to make a copper/magnesium crystal cells that was shown on YT a few months ago. Chuck also showed the same cells had not deteriorated at all since made.

There was also a window motor running of several cells in series/parallel arrangement.


John K.

[NickZ]

John K
Can you confirm if the Mg/Carbon cells, as well as the Mg/Copper cells can be place in PARALLEL to increase the available current. As the cement cells cannot. What is their current and voltage levels now.? Has it changed or dropped since they were made?
Has John B made any newer cells lately, since those other cells were made?
Glad to hear that his cells show little or no deterioration after several months. That is a very important point, as there is no purpose to making ones that just falls apart.
Sorry for all the question, but it makes a difference on which direction to take. So far the use of salt has been the only way to obtain 1 to 2 amps per cell, but at the expense of the metals.

[John_K]

John K
Can you confirm if the Mg/Carbon cells, as well as the Mg/Copper cells can be place in PARALLEL to increase the available current. As the cement cells cannot. What is their current and voltage levels now.? Has it changed or dropped since they were made?
Has John B made any newer cells lately, since those other cells were made?
Glad to hear that his cells show little or no deterioration after several months. That is a very important point, as there is no purpose to making ones that just falls apart.
Sorry for all the question, but it makes a difference on which direction to take. So far the use of salt has been the only way to obtain 1 to 2 amps per cell, but at the expense of the metals.

NickZ,

Sorry I don't know the details. Hopefully John B or Chuck can come on and answer.


John K.

[NickZ]

John K:
Thanks, there are a lot of Johns out there, maybe one of them may pop in.

[b_rads]

I'll be posting a video later on me trying light a LED for a few seconds with a joule thief type circuit, and I also will be showing some ideas I have too.

I am very impressed the way you charged the capacitor. How long did it take to charge? Can you verify this for me - I connected a glue cell in series to a "AA" and the voltage reading increased same as you showed in your video. The issue I ran into though, the glue cell blocks current while allowing voltage. I could not pull any current from the "AA" when connected in series to the glue cell. I hope this question has been stated clearly enough to understand what I am asking.
Thanks,
Brad S

[NickZ]

Brad:
That is basically what I found also, that I can charge batteries or capacitors with the voltage from a glue, or cement cell, to their same voltage levels, but with only the tiny amounts of current that the cells have, which can't be increased. In my case it is 1.2 volts and about 50mA.
If the batteries or caps that have been charged by the glue cell or cement cell are combined and place in series, the voltage is increased, but not the current. Or, do you find that the current can be increased also, by this later in series placement of the caps or batteries.
The problem has been to increase the current operating levels so that the cells will have some power to run things and not just fluffy voltage with no power, just like a dead AA that still has a volt left but hardly no current. That is why the Mg/Carbon cell is of interest, IF it can be connected in parallel to increase current levels as well. I feel the oxidation factor can be controlled if the cell really can output 1 to 2 amps.
There is a reason these cells will not allow current to pass, and I'm hoping to find the solution. It looks like the reason is that ions pile up on the poles, which restrict the current flow as well as the voltage in the cells. This happen on a newly made cells, also, so it's not the oxidation, or water factor, causing this drop in power readings from the cells.
What to do about it???

[NickZ]

Mikrovolt:
Thanks for your PM. It does not surprise me about John Hutchinson not telling all. But, can you explain what you mean.

I think that Dr. Stiffler is something else, how he comes up with these amazing ideas. The results in his latest videos are truly outstanding.

I hope to hear more about John Bedini and his newest tests, as well as John Hutchinsons untold discoveries. I'm all ears...
NickZ

[John_Bedini]

Bedini Earth Lights

Nick,
I find no problem in getting some real usable current out of the semiconductor copper magnesium cell. currents of up to 500 ma to 2 amps no problem and you can parallel them for more current. Chuck did explain and show that when using carbon any thing that you use to connect them can and does migrate into the magnesium and does attack the crystal formation. Copper does work the best in this cell. Hope Chuck will post.
John B

[chuck H]

Renaissance Convention/Crystal battery/window motor

Thanks Josh for allowing John Bedini and I to hook up crystal cells to your window motor. I did not look at what electronics you had on that window motor with that 30 pound rotor... but it was a real treat to see those cells run that machine for the last hour we had at the convention. Next year in August when Energenx host the next convention in Hayden Idaho U.S.A., as presented by John Bedini, we can show more on those cells running a few differnet devices/machines... I only had a few seconds to film this but here is the video of crystal cells running this window motor. Mag/Carbon... Mag/Copper...and Alum... Details to come on next convention


‪Window motor on crystal cells.wmv‬‏ - YouTube

[NickZ]

@ John B:
Thank you for the reply, that is what I needed to know. I had been wondering if there had been any new cell developments, and what had been presented lately.
Anything else that you'd like to add would be welcome.
I sort of felt left out in right field by myself for awhile, but I will get back to it.

There are some good decent people to work with here on this forum, that I've come to appreciate.

@ John H - the video has been removed.