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[John_Bedini]

Polycrystalline Battery

Jim,
Yes all this is important. I have been working up to Polycrystalline materials as this will be the next field in semiconductors, I can see it now. Short circuiting the cells mean nothing. I do no longer need these materials like Titanium Dioxide or Barium titanate ,Lead, Doped Glass or anything like that. These cells can re-generate real quick so they are good for pulse circuits, I'm working on a way to have them do the switching internally for the led's. I'm going to be building a stacked pair, I plan on having that to give about 15 volts at 20 Ma. I will keep everybody posted with Youtubes.
John

[jehdds]

Jim,
Yes all this is important. I have been working up to Polycrystalline materials as this will be the next field in semiconductors, I can see it now. Short circuiting the cells mean nothing. I do no longer need these materials like Titanium Dioxide or Barium titanate ,Lead, Doped Glass or anything like that. These cells can re-generate real quick so they are good for pulse circuits, I'm working on a way to have them do the switching internally for the led's. I'm going to be building a stacked pair, I plan on having that to give about 15 volts at 20 Ma. I will keep everybody posted with Youtubes.
John

John,
Thank you for the confirmation. The laminate you created need be less than 1300F correct? Ok for the big question, ( I will wait for your videos to be sure) but I am really curious if you have found a low fusing ceramic mix or are going with a polymer based polycrystaline amalgamation to fuse the metal. High temp or exothermic reaction? Boy you sure know how to get the mind spinning....... Thank you again

Very Best Regards,
Jim

[NickZ]

John and All:
I made this voltaic pile a couple of days ago, it is cut to 4 inches square, from an old brazz plate. There are two cells piled in the image below.
I have not gotten the proper aluminum plate as the negative yet, so I'm just using galvanized sheet for now. I get about two volts from two cells in series, as they are, but the mAs are low. I think that your idea of melting the electrolyte onto the copper is worth trying on my set up too. We seam to be thinking a bit along the same lines.
I think that there may be a limit to the advantage of the size, or the mass of the metal plate materials used, to increase the currents output levels. It can probably only be increased to a certain point, just like the voltage can only be 2 volts or less per cell. But the piles can be easily stacked to get higher voltages, and current also. They are very practical, especially is you don't have to do anything to maintain them.

[John_Bedini]

Polycrystalline ( Non Resin) Battery

Jim,
This material is very difficult to make it takes time. but once it is at the correct state you can handle it and mold it into any shape you want, it will just stick to anything I can find and give energy. I have not yet got into the Exotic Metals .

Chuck and I do as much as we can do during the day as we have other work to do too. We talk about it all day long and discuss what we want to try. The famous quote is you can not invent you can only discover, "BS" you invent it then discover how it works. The Idea is the invention. Your not going to learn this in some fancy school where brainwashing takes first place, You Know, you can't do that! Mr. John.

The definition of Solid State Batteries does not fit this device or material.
As I have said you must study the crystal lattices and the correct doping for them, what is hard is learning chemistry all over again. I would say it's like playdough or flubber at the correct state. Chuck and I have tried many things and spent allot of money doing it. The Exotic Metals are next, but first I will try it with a carbon electrode next and not from a battery. I do very much want to build a stack pair and get the voltage up and see what happens with common metals, but it is a Polycrystalline ( Non Resin) that you can shape until it changes.
John B

[jehdds]

Jim,
This material is very difficult to make it takes time. but once it is at the correct state you can handle it and mold it into any shape you want, it will just stick to anything I can find and give energy. I have not yet got into the Exotic Metals .

Chuck and I do as much as we can do during the day as we have other work to do too. We talk about it all day long and discuss what we want to try. The famous quote is you can not invent you can only discover, "BS" you invent it then discover how it works. The Idea is the invention. Your not going to learn this in some fancy school where brainwashing takes first place, You Know, you can't do that! Mr. John.

The definition of Solid State Batteries does not fit this device or material.
As I have said you must study the crystal lattices and the correct doping for them, what is hard is learning chemistry all over again. I would say it's like playdough or flubber at the correct state. Chuck and I have tried many things and spent allot of money doing it. The Exotic Metals are next, but first I will try it with a carbon electrode next and not from a battery. I do very much want to build a stack pair and get the voltage up and see what happens with common metals, but it is a Polycrystalline ( Non Resin) that you can shape until it changes.
John B

John,
Thank you Sir.
Non Resin....
Now you really have my mind going.....
Polyimide? Thermoplastic with incorporated graphite?
I love material science! Ok now to sleep on this one.
Have a great night.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[John_Bedini]

Polycrystalline ( Non Resin) Battery

John,
Thank you Sir.
Non Resin....
Now you really have my mind going.....
Polyimide? Thermoplastic with incorporated graphite?
I love material science! Ok now to sleep on this one.
Have a great night.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

Jehdds,
I don't know if I would call this a Polyimide material as the chemistry does not match. Thermoplastic is not correct either. But I see that your thinking. See it does not match the definition of a Solid State battery as is being built, it has more of a metamorphose state of chemistry. Like a Changeling in the chemical world. looks one way but is another. This is far from what the semiconductor industry might even consider at this time, but they have been looking into it in a round about way. I did not think this was possible until I considered the crystal structures that make it up. Its a tough decision to add and subtract electrons. But you can go both ways until it is all balanced and you have nothing, so it must be kept in an unbalanced state, something new for you to think about.
John B

[jehdds]

Jehdds,
I don't know if I would call this a Polyimide material as the chemistry does not match. Thermoplastic is not correct either. But I see that your thinking. See it does not match the definition of a Solid State battery as is being built, it has more of a metamorphose state of chemistry. Like a Changeling in the chemical world. looks one way but is another. This is far from what the semiconductor industry might even consider at this time, but they have been looking into it in a round about way. I did not think this was possible until I considered the crystal structures that make it up. Its a tough decision to add and subtract electrons. But you can go both ways until it is all balanced and you have nothing, so it must be kept in an unbalanced state, something new for you to think about.
John B

John,
Thank you so much. A nights sleep (restless) may have done some good.
Conductive polymer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
POLYCRYSTALLINE CONDUCTING POLYMERS AND PRECURSORS THEREOF HAVING ADJUSTABLE MORPHOLOGY AND PROPERTIES - Patent application

Very interesting possibilities!
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[jehdds]

John,
Bias with boron for one end, phosphorous for the other end of the spectrum,
To be matched with metallic substrate?
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[jehdds]

Here as a bit more information if polyacetylene is the material.
Undoubtedly more Reachable to
Many than 2500F kiln etc.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a260071.pdf

Very Best Regards,
Jim

[John_Bedini]

Crystal Solid State

Jim,
All this is good but it is not what the material is. Let’s look at it this way if I was trying to build normal semiconductors I would use the doping materials, Boron and Phosphorous. But we’re not talking about anything normal here. I have tried to explain what I was doing with a quote from. "Prigogine system" "Prigogine system: a many-particle system which is deliberately forced to exist far from thermodynamic equilibrium, and which exhibits negative entropy. Note that local curvature of vacuum spacetime places the local virtual state flux in nonequilibrium conditions, with the result that an observable energy "sink" or "source" can be produced."I do not use any thing that uses any radioactive elements or anything that is associated. When we talk about metals with materials usually we have some kind of Ion movement as the electrons pile up on the ion and force it to move in one direction or the other. I even showed in one of the videos how the crystal structure is not normal and uniform in it’s makeup. The only way to get energy from nature is to cause all the vectors that are in many directions to come to order by some means that can translate this into energy.
This happens when we use a piezo crystal by stressing it, the output is electrical. Electrical output is the output from things in nature that can order themselves into a dipole that is useable. To not kill the dipole you must block it at both ends, that means the Ions never reach the metals but are free to move and the electrons are picked off by the semiconductor lattices and transferred to the metals without galvanic action. Solid State chemistry is much different then what people think and you can find many materials that can do this in nature. You can slow down galvanic action to some point but you cannot ever get rid of it unless you can block it in both directions. This can get really complicated here and
I have explained this all before.
John B

[jehdds]

John,
Thank you.
Much to Chew on. Great challenges require great effort and persistence.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[jehdds]

John,
One other question that you may be able
To answer.
Would polymerization shrinkage be beneficial to pre-stress
A piezo material to cause imbalance? Do we need to think along this as well?
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[voire]

Crystal book

Jim,
All this is good but it is not what the material is. Let’s look at it this way if I was trying to build normal semiconductors I would use the doping materials, Boron and Phosphorous. But we’re not talking about anything normal here. I have tried to explain what I was doing with a quote from. "Prigogine system" "Prigogine system: a many-particle system which is deliberately forced to exist far from thermodynamic equilibrium, and which exhibits negative entropy. Note that local curvature of vacuum spacetime places the local virtual state flux in nonequilibrium conditions, with the result that an observable energy "sink" or "source" can be produced."I do not use any thing that uses any radioactive elements or anything that is associated. When we talk about metals with materials usually we have some kind of Ion movement as the electrons pile up on the ion and force it to move in one direction or the other. I even showed in one of the videos how the crystal structure is not normal and uniform in it’s makeup. The only way to get energy from nature is to cause all the vectors that are in many directions to come to order by some means that can translate this into energy.
This happens when we use a piezo crystal by stressing it, the output is electrical. Electrical output is the output from things in nature that can order themselves into a dipole that is useable. To not kill the dipole you must block it at both ends, that means the Ions never reach the metals but are free to move and the electrons are picked off by the semiconductor lattices and transferred to the metals without galvanic action. Solid State chemistry is much different then what people think and you can find many materials that can do this in nature. You can slow down galvanic action to some point but you cannot ever get rid of it unless you can block it in both directions. This can get really complicated here and
I have explained this all before.
John B

@ John Bedini

It just occurred to me. Have you ever considered writing a book to explain in detail, your insights on crystal cells and the like? I'd love to buy it. But I don't think you've written any that I know of. You probably have trouble finding the time. But just a suggestion.

[Lidmotor]

Controlling the chaos

@John B.
I do understand the idea of stopping the ions from reaching the metals but allowing the crystal semiconductor latice to grab the moving electrons. To me it is a controlling situation. Getting all the "vectors" to go where you want them to instead of letting them run around like crazy ants?? This is just my brain trying to understand a very complicted situation.

Here is a video of IB's "Literal Crystal Battery" running a pulse motor. I made this video before I read your post this morning and studied up on Prigogine's theory. Maybe my comment in the video about controling the galvanic reaction with the crystalline structures has something to do with what you are saying----or maybe not.

Literal Crystal Battery--Running a pulse motor.ASF - YouTube

It is all very very interesting.

Lidmotor

[b_rads]

Can we do this to?

@John Bedini:
One time several years ago I had lunch with a True Hero in the Computer Technology field. A comment was made to this person that he was so lucky to have created such a wonderful product. His reply was “People say that to me all the time, I can only say that the harder I work, the luckier I get”. Your work on the project reminds me of this guy.

I know you want to be certain what you have before and if you disclose your latest cells, but can you answer this: Are you using materials and methods that a hobbyist like myself could replicate or is this something beyond most of our capabilities? I am not good at guessing and do not know my materials well enough to venture a guess. Thank you for sharing as this project has been very educational and a fun ride. Let the good times roll!
Brad S