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[jehdds]

Correction to contents of cell #4,#2 etc.
To ensure a most sincere apology,
And to clarify,
I am using ZnO. Zinc oxide and not Zinc Peroxide.
My speech on my video specifies Zinc Oxide.
My inept typing produced Znperoxide.
Most definitively not the same.
The compound I use is ZnO
Note: I found some commercial Zn02 is a mix of ZnO and ZnO2
Please again I apologize for any confusion that the discrepancy caused.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[szucspower2]

carbon electrolyte

Today I went to the beach, and I picked up some carbon that was left over from a camp fire, and washed it out, crushed it and filled a capacitor can cell. I also placed several layers of quartz into the carbon electrolyte mix.
I was able to get about a volt, and several mAs. Using No chemicals, just carbon and quartz. The beach carbon quartz cell takes a charge very well, I'll have to see what it can do now...

Have You ever made a cell with only carbon as electrolyte? I mean for example: alu, carbon electrolyte, and carbon rod. If you wrote it befor, then sorry for the bad question. I am new here with a very little free time to read.
Thank you!

[NickZ]

zcucspower2:
I have made cells using only carbon, and it does work. The beach carbon is not the best carbon, but even it works, producing about 1 volt, and 4 mA, and has no chemicals. I'm still looking for a better source of graphite or carbon to put into the capacitor cans
Yesterday I made a cell the size of an AA battery, and placed it into the AA battery holder on one of my Kooler style Hartley Oscillators. And it worked real well, lighting a white led. It looks like AA, but it not. Turning it into a perpetual Jtc.

Today I made a quartz/carbon cell using a piece of 1/2" by 2", aluminum tube that's about same size as the AA batteries. It uses a carbon rod for the anode, and also seams to be working well. Nice to be able to place these cells into the normal AA size battery holders, as the holders use springs to maintain preasure on the contacts points of the cell, which helps a lot.

[seth]

zcucspower2:
I have made cells using only carbon, and it does work. The beach carbon is not the best carbon, but even it works, producing about 1 volt, and 4 mA, and has no chemicals. I'm still looking for a better source of graphite or carbon to put into the capacitor cans
Yesterday I made a cell the size of an AA battery, and placed it into the AA battery holder on one of my Kooler style Hartley Oscillators. And it worked real well, lighting a white led. It looks like AA, but it not. Turning it into a perpetual Jtc.

Today I made a quartz/carbon cell using a piece of 1/2" by 2", aluminum tube that's about same size as the AA batteries. It uses a carbon rod for the anode, and also seams to be working well. Nice to be able to place these cells into the normal AA size battery holders, as the holders use springs to maintain preasure on the contacts points of the cell, which helps a lot.

Hi Nick!

Have you tried anything other than a carbon rod from a battery as your central electrode? Can you get the same effect with a piece of copper wire, or is the output heavily reduced?

[NickZ]

Seth:
I starting making the cells using thick copper wire as the center anode, and it works fine, but does show signs of oxidation after a couple of days, and lower output once the copper wire starts to oxidize.
You can make the copper anodes removable, and replaceable too.
Those that have access to a gold electroplating set up, the copper anodes can also be plated with gold plating, to reduce oxide that forms on the copper. Or you can try Johns method of making the copper anode into a semiconductor by using heat. I would still like to try that as well.
The trick is to make these cells last, by not allowing air, or moisture to ruin them. These are not just galvanic batteries, and science has current theory on why these cells don't discharge, like all other regular galvanic batteries do. So, there is more to it than meets the eye...
Water can get locked in the crystal matrix, and the ships never reached the other shore (pole), and it still works... the electrodes don't oxides if they can't. That' why I use carbon.
If you are going to use the practical capacitor cans to make the cells, bigger is better, but aluminum pipe can work even better for the outside negative cathode, as it has more mass.

[skaght]

You can find powdered graphite at art stores and also as a "lubricant" in hardware stores because it is slippery.

[Lidmotor]

Building Penny No. 2---and a new find

@All
Penny has not lost any voltage so I decided to just leave her alone and build another one I just call "Penny No. 2". She has a little larger coil and runs better. While looking at the wave form of the oscillator on an O-scope I found out that this one will run (somehow) off just the scope probe if you give it a good earth ground. No battery required. Later in the day I found out that it will run off the energy coming off the base of a table lamp if I put a piece of aluminum foil under the lamp and use an AV plug going into the Penny circuit. This might be how energy is getting into the cell that is running Penny No. 1----environmental EMF in my house. I don't know but if these crystal cell are true semiconductor devices then it is plausable?

Building Penny No. 2-- and Running on thin air.ASF - YouTube

Lidmotor

[Slider2732]

Touch a switched on soldering iron to one of the battery connections on the "Penny'
If you put your radio nearby a Hartley or one of these type of oscillator, you'll hear it spring into life with the soldering iron trick.
I do hope you try that...perhaps just to confirm it's not just my own house with something bizarre happening.

The AAA is still going btw. That's 3 full days off 2 drops of Windex..surely it has to dry at some point. Very impressed with even galvanic actions if I can juice em back to life.

Oh, also, I had a look at some capacitors Nick, to see if any were approximate in size to store batteries.The central positive electrode would need to be extended from the can, but otherwise the dimensions can be very close indeed. Folks may well have even better matches.
I found that:
80V 6800uF is similar to a D size
10V 3300uF is similar to a AA
16V 1000uF is similar to a AAA

[ibpointless2]

@All
Penny has not lost any voltage so I decided to just leave her alone and build another one I just call "Penny No. 2". She has a little larger coil and runs better. While looking at the wave form of the oscillator on an O-scope I found out that this one will run (somehow) off just the scope probe if you give it a good earth ground. No battery required. Later in the day I found out that it will run off the energy coming off the base of a table lamp if I put a piece of aluminum foil under the lamp and use an AV plug going into the Penny circuit. This might be how energy is getting into the cell that is running Penny No. 1----environmental EMF in my house. I don't know but if these crystal cell are true semiconductor devices then it is plausable?

Building Penny No. 2-- and Running on thin air.ASF - YouTube

Lidmotor

I predicted earlier that the Stove cell driving Penny no.1 should go down in voltage today but not 100% sure it will. As to find out if penny is getting energy from the electromagnetic waves in your house there is many ways to find out but it may get in the way that the cell might loose power today (26th) as I've stated before in earlier post.

The first way to try is just stick the cell and penny in the microwave and and leave them over night with the door closed and microwave off(unplugged).

You could also take it out to your boat and leave it their as there is less electromagnetic waves inside a boat than your house.

T.T.Brown said that he could shield the rocks but that could take away the energy the're receiving (cosmic rays). He feared simple Faraday cages as they could stop Cosmic rays which was powering the rocks he experimented with. So the best way to test the cell to see if it works is to take it to a field where there is no power or radio waves for at least 20 miles.

[ibpointless2]

If anyone is wanting to know how to make a crystal cell that powers Lidmotors Penny oscillator here is the link to post that was created.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post153061



I do find it odd that the penny oscillator had less power when you were home as you should have more things running, but when you leave the house the cell gains more power but you have less things running in your house.

I'm just happy to see the Stove cell still powering the penny oscillator. You do great work Lidmotor and the penny oscillator is great. I bet you could hook the penny oscillator up to a speaker or something that collects sound and run a LED off the ambient sound waves.

[jehdds]

Guys,
Interesting find, at least for me.
Crystal cell #4 : Zn0, Epsom,Galina,Iron Pyrite,
After shorting, placed three feet away from Hairpin circuit,
Test tube vertical, glass end up with silica gel on top,
Revealed current increase, as well as voltage increase.
The effect of voltage rise continued even after circuit shut down.
Current increase was dramatic as seemingly an impossible 2.1 amp
Measuring across the cell.
The cell did NOT warm.
More test to be sure and will make
a video clip after work today.

So, the question
Is do these cells pick up X-rays?
Another test today as well.
Or do these cells pick up longitudinal standing waves?
Again, the cell was NOT connected to the hairpin.

Very Best Regards,
Jim

[b_rads]

Penny Update

@all
For those who have not made an oscillator yet for these cells, which IMHO is a must, you cannot beat the penny circuit. My “stove top” cell is not as old as lidmotor’s is but has not skipped a beat since made and connected to this circuit. While going through several cells yesterday in order to dispose of those no longer working, I tested each cell with penny, and without exception, every cell still worked. Some of these cells are over 4 months old. Of the encased cells, the one that I considered a bust (magnesium and carbon electrodes) was the strongest performer. I have got to figure out how to make the AV plug next.

With a pair of penny loafers while dancing the Hokey Pokey, I think I would strobe like an airport runway.

@ Seth and Slider2732:
Adding moisture to your cells will rejuvenate the cells for a while. I found that adding a drop of glycerin (a hermectant) to the cell will make it continue to operate for several months. This does tend to increase the galvanic action though and will eventually consume the anode.

@jehdds:
I think you may have mentioned that the ZnO and MgSO4 were in a 50/50 mix. I think you also said you heated this mix. How much Galena and Pyrite did you contribute to the mix? Thanks

Brad S

[szucspower2]

what about the temperature?

Litmotor:
Sometimes your penny goes up, then goes down, then it goes up again (in performance).

The temperature difference is always there. In the room where penny is, the temperature could go up and down and up again. And she's performance follows this changing. This was just my opinion.

[jehdds]

The mixture for the Zn0/Epsoms is less than 50/50.
More akin to 25-30% Zn0.
Trace Galina and Trace Iron Pyrite.
Just enough dusting of the primary mix in the crucible to see.
The mixture is heated in a Stainless measuring cup slowly over a gas range.
The mixture is then placed into either a
Glass or plastic container while molten.
Need to work exceptionally quick. Insertion of the Mg into the molten mixture.
The copper electrode is placed into the tube before loading.
I attempted to insert the copper into the molten material but was not entirely successful due to short working time.
I have not attempted to make one while melting in a copper cup.
My thought on this is that perhaps we need to
Have both metallic elements see this polycrystalline mix at the same temperature, so that crystal formation occurs at
the same rate. Theory only.
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[minoly]

@all
For those who have not made an oscillator yet for these cells, which IMHO is a must, you cannot beat the penny circuit. My “stove top” cell is not as old as lidmotor’s is but has not skipped a beat since made and connected to this circuit. While going through several cells yesterday in order to dispose of those no longer working, I tested each cell with penny, and without exception, every cell still worked. Some of these cells are over 4 months old. Of the encased cells, the one that I considered a bust (magnesium and carbon electrodes) was the strongest performer. I have got to figure out how to make the AV plug next.

With a pair of penny loafers while dancing the Hokey Pokey, I think I would strobe like an airport runway.

@ Seth and Slider2732:
Adding moisture to your cells will rejuvenate the cells for a while. I found that adding a drop of glycerin (a hermectant) to the cell will make it continue to operate for several months. This does tend to increase the galvanic action though and will eventually consume the anode.

@jehdds:
I think you may have mentioned that the ZnO and MgSO4 were in a 50/50 mix. I think you also said you heated this mix. How much Galena and Pyrite did you contribute to the mix? Thanks

Brad S

I have to agree on that mod Lid is using with JB's little oscillator ckt.
we did it earlier this summer, both with the SSG and the SS SSG.
Bedini mod - trigger Cap - YouTube
this is a nice way to amplify/delay the signal to the transistor. It can do much more than just lower the amp draw.
we have been using JB's SS SSG this summer off of a small 20watt solar panel with an 8 filer coil/8 transistors. they kept heating early on... in July we added this mod - the heat was gone and we were able to add more coils to the same panel. We easily charge 1k Ah 12 volts using this small 20 watt panel.
cool stuff.

Patrick