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[boguslaw]

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I have no idea what or if there is a way to get the ball to bounce back
up to the original height by collecting some of the push on each successive
bounce, but for sure, being over 1.0 cop does not mean it will self run.

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[sucahyo]

Ok, Aaron, thanks. I think I get your explanation. I think we measure output differently.

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I wonder what happen if it was the white ball at bottom.

[razvan.379]

free energy

For me its a fact that some corporations are trying to cover up the discoveries of free energy devices. They censor and kill to stay at power, thats for sure!
The important thing for any researcher and conscious been is to wisely filter the information from the gr8 web. There are devices out there who are 100% working, very hard to find, mostly is just theory and not an actual device.Mostly of the complicated electronic devices you try to replicate here would certainly not work because the electronics are build to be inefficient.Study the work of Tesla, start from that.

[Inquorate]

For me its a fact that some corporations are trying to cover up the discoveries of free energy devices. They censor and kill to stay at power, thats for sure!
The important thing for any researcher and conscious been is to wisely filter the information from the gr8 web. There are devices out there who are 100% working, very hard to find, mostly is just theory and not an actual device.Mostly of the complicated electronic devices you try to replicate here would certainly not work because the electronics are build to be inefficient.Study the work of Tesla, start from that.

the only cold hard excess usable energy device with actual theory i've encountered (not counting bedini's tesla switch etc), and it does seem to explain tesla's work, is a work in progress here:
Exploring Dr Stiffler's Spatial Energy Coherence and Spatial Resonance effects. - Heretical Builders
thanks to ronald stiffler.

[pengrove]

There are several people out here who have free energy(OU) machines. On another forum,where I am active, one guy posted a picture of one he had designed.He was about to post all details when he was threatened. He came back on and said that he couldn't post anymore about it, and for us to be careful pursuing his design. Sounds like RomeroUK doesn't it. I don't think they care if one or two use their own devices,but they do not want them posted on the internet for the masses to see. I also knew a man who ran his car on water but would not reveal to anyone how he did it, and they left him alone.stealth

Why do all scenarios sound the same in this department? ITs always the same story. Very Odd.

They are controlling us with energy so it would not surprise me that things of this nature go on. But why is it that people keep making the same mistakes over and over.

Until we disembowel the problem here in america no one should be using their real name. No one should expect money. Unless you like being a target.

What is so hard about sharing alternatives with each other and not asking for something in return. When we live in a waste land what will we exchange with each other then? Hugs?

[Armagdn03]

When we live in a waste land what will we exchange with each other then? Hugs?

Sounds like an improvement on the current state of the nation.

[ren]

Sounds like an improvement on the current state of the nation.

Damn straight.

[Farmhand]

Why do all scenarios sound the same in this department? ITs always the same story. Very Odd.

They are controlling us with energy so it would not surprise me that things of this nature go on. But why is it that people keep making the same mistakes over and over.

Until we disembowel the problem here in america no one should be using their real name. No one should expect money. Unless you like being a target.

What is so hard about sharing alternatives with each other and not asking for something in return. When we live in a waste land what will we exchange with each other then? Hugs?

Hi Pengrove, yeah i agree it is strange and suspicious they way things pan out sometime's.

I think a lot of suppression is "voluntary suppression" people either get paranoid and just clam up or they start to think dollar signs and so use the "threat" card to releive themselves from open sharing. I think there are other reasons, too many to mention. One thing is also 'ego" if someone says they are suppressed or threatned it make's them seem more important, and is a way to give thier invention or work validity.

Frankly I think that most "real" suppression revolves around the patent office and does not commence until patents are filed.

Ill play devils advocate-

If I was to show a video of a self runner powering a load and it was just a trick, to get out of explaining everything or admitting my folly I could just say I was threatened.

Or if I wanted to promote my work and make it appear more important I could claim i was suppressed.

Or still further if I wanted to cause a distraction I could leak a seemingly OU tech that isn't and give no details for replications, claiming i was threatened
by thugs and so can't provide details beyond the basics and what can be seen, therefore leaving everybody to clammer about wasting time, energy and money trying to replicate a fake.

Devils advocate play over.

Personally I think there is some of all of these. And I think it is more common than some would like to admitt.

I used to get a bit paranoid myself sometimes. But i have made the descision that there is nothing to fear so I refuse to worry about it.

But I also think I am getting quite good at picking the fakes from the genuine tech. just from intuition and self questions.

Just think how many people are disuaded from this work because of the fake's and how much time and effort is wasted trying to replicate fake's. That in itself is enough reason to question everything.

Cheers

P.S. If this suppression is alive and well it would be easy to setup a "sting operation" to draw out the suppressors and reveal them. This should be a job for one of the organisations who are profiting from free/alternative energy and screaming "suppression' every few months. Easy setup up the sting and film and document the suppression.

[Aaron]

one correct way

Ok, Aaron, thanks. I think I get your explanation. I think we measure output differently.

Ok, but there is only one correct way.

[Aaron]

bouncing ball

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Good little demo. The white ball bounces higher. But, that bigger
ball is heavier and required more joules to lift it, even to a lower height.
So the impact of that mass is giving a good solid force to the white
ball to kick it higher. The ball bounces higher, but it does get that
force from the heavier ball.

Also my examples of 83% are just the 25cent junk ball I got from a
little machine. The authentic superballs were about 92%, big difference.

I'm sure there are probably even more efficient ones these days,
I haven't looked.

[Aaron]

heat pump

Ok, Aaron, thanks. I think I get your explanation. I think we measure output differently.

You said if it is over 1.0 cop it should self run.

Do you agree or disagree a simple heat pump can be 3.0-4.0?

[sucahyo]

You said if it is over 1.0 cop it should self run.

Do you agree or disagree a simple heat pump can be 3.0-4.0?

I consider 1 watt of heat is different value from 1 watt of electricity even if they are considered the same in standard. The loss during conversion to input type of energy is also included in calculation of COP.

For simple heat pump question, if the resulting heat difference being converted to electricity produce higher power than input, then I consider it COP>1.


In ball dropping example, close loop or not, I consider COP>1 must include the storage of energy. If the ball dropping energy can be stored for more than what is required to lift the ball back to its place, I consider it COP>1.

I prefer using example of actual circuit like radiant circuit with input battery, output battery and without fan.

[Aaron]

open systems have things in common

For simple heat pump question, if the resulting heat difference being converted to electricity produce higher power than input, then I consider it COP>1.

Ok, but the question is if you agree a heat pump can be over 1.0 or not.
3.0-4.0 is not out of the question and as a matter of fact is very
much in that range for the most part, which I think just about everyone
would agree.

You said that if anything is over 1.0 cop, then it can be self running
but we know that a refrigerator or a basic heat pump will not self run
and they are all over 1.0 cop.

Since any basic heat pump in those low cop ranges cannot self run
so do you still believe that if something is over 1.0 cop it must be
able to self run?

The over 1.0 cop is if there is x joules to the input and if the system
exhibits more than x joules total on the input not including environmental
input - therefore, a bouncing ball is always over 1.0 cop.

If you start a refrigerator compressor by opening the door and increasing
the temp to the thermostat temp when it turns on - the compressor will
turn on, heat will move and if you suddenly turn off the compressor,
that heat will move with no more electrical input to a certain point.
The heat doesn't stop moving when the thermostat tells the compressor
to turn off, the heat continues to move until the momentum dies down
from the temp differences. And a part of this heat movement happens
when there is no electrical input.

This is the same when doing big cap discharges to a battery - you can
turn off the input electricity and the charging doesn't stop - the lead ions
are heavy and have a momentum to them - I have seen it take up to an
hour before the battery stops charging from this. That is very real work,
there is no more joules of work being dissipated from the input battery
yet, all that work being done to charge the battery does get added to what
that battery will eventually be able to demonstrate in actual joules of
energy that can be drawn.

When you lift a ball and let go, after that, free gravitational input comes in
and contributes to measurable joules of energy in each successive bounce
while there is no more input from us. Over 1.0 cop.

Those joules of energy in each successive bounce is the same as the
momentum of the heat moving to cold in a refrigerator and is the same
as the lead ions continuing to move and charge a battery when the
power source is turned off.

Just like the Velijko oscillator where the output is not in lock-step with the
output - if it was, it would be like a grasshopper oil well - no free swinging
if you hold the front still - the Velijko oscillator, you stop the hammer and
the pendulum continues to swing.

Those swings are real work being done that can be measured in real
joules of energy - not abstract concepts.

So all of these have something in common - all their output is not
in lockstep with the input (not a closed system) and if the input is
completely turned off - there can be momentum that continues to work
for a particular time - since it was not in lock-step with the input.

[sucahyo]

I try looking where you mention COP>3 and:

You can see on this govt website,
FEMP Energy-Efficient Products: How to Buy an Energy-Efficient Ground Source Heat Pump
that they consider an efficient heat pump 3.3 or 3.6 COP or more.
Very sorry standards by any means but completely expected by our
govt energy standards.

The cop defined on the site is:
COP is the heating capacity (in Btu) of the unit divided by its electrical input (also in Btu)

That is not the way I measure COP. For the purpose of my experiment I calculate COP by measuring what is stored and what is wasted, both in electric energy. Which unfortunately, I still do not know a realiable way to do it.


To repeat, I don't consider 1 joule of electric energy and 1 joule of non electric energy to be the same thing. The non electric energy must be converted to electric energy first.


On bouncing ball, energy at spesific time is kinetic+potential. If we consider only during kinetic=0, potential energy after bounce is always lower. Power after is smaller than power before. Meaning COP<1.

Your example do not include energy capture/use. Suppose we store all the bouncing then the storage only receive 85% of energy. Stored power is lower than initial power. COP<1.

When the ball bouncing the first time, the second time, and so on, it still do not perform any work because you do not capture the energy. 85% height after the first bounce is not work. It is a discharge.


The ball loose energy everytime its bounce. I don't get why you total the energy after the bounce and divide it by its initial energy.

The way you count COP of bouncing ball, in a pulsed circuit, is like you are totalling all the battery voltage during each OFF state beginning with the second OFF state voltage and then divide it with the first OFF state voltage. ON state represent bounce. If the battery completely discharge at the first pulse you get low COP, but if the battery discharged little by little, you get infinite COP.

Is that what you mean?

[silverspider]

There are several people out here who have free energy(OU) machines. On another forum,where I am active, one guy posted a picture of one he had designed.He was about to post all details when he was threatened. He came back on and said that he couldn't post anymore about it, and for us to be careful pursuing his design. Sounds like RomeroUK doesn't it. I don't think they care if one or two use their own devices,but they do not want them posted on the internet for the masses to see. I also knew a man who ran his car on water but would not reveal to anyone how he did it, and they left him alone.stealth

Yes i know, a forum is not a good idea. Try torrents -> are the best for spreading news. I know very well what so called free energy researchers, who sustain this site, are doing here, what interest they have. If you see this post think about what i am saying, think really hard! Stay in the shadow!That's what i'm doing starting from now.