Bizzy's Bedini Machine aka Watson Machine

[Bizzy]

Amperage

Good morning everyone,
As usual I was running some tests on my machine before work and I recalled a post I read in the forum some time ago. Unfortunately I don't recall who said it or where but I do recall the quote it said.
"Current is more important than volts to run a motor"
I am seeing that is true when I run my various tests. When amps are higher so is motor speed.
So my question is how do I convert volts to amps.
I don't mean mathematically i=v/r i mean actually converting volts to amps in a circuit. As usualy any imput would be greatly apprciated.
Thanks
Bizzy

[FRC]

Good morning everyone,
As usual I was running some tests on my machine before work and I recalled a post I read in the forum some time ago. Unfortunately I don't recall who said it or where but I do recall the quote it said.
"Current is more important than volts to run a motor"
I am seeing that is true when I run my various tests. When amps are higher so is motor speed.
So my question is how do I convert volts to amps.
I don't mean mathematically i=v/r i mean actually converting volts to amps in a circuit.
As usualy any imput would be greatly apprciated.
Thanks
Bizzy

I think it was mbrown in the Lockridge thread that said it. Isn't it by reducing
voltage that amps increase ? You might need some type of DC to DC converter. I think it can also be done with capacitors. Say three 4v capacitors in series = 12v, then tap two Capacitors to = 8 volts. I don't know for sure. There are lot more expert people around here than me for this. Another way that will increase amperage for sure, without loss of voltage, is to parallel two or more batteries. You will get the combined amperage
of all the batteries you are using. I am assuming you are using 12v batteries.

George

[Bizzy]

I think it was mbrown in the Lockridge thread that said it. Isn't it by reducing
voltage that amps increase ? You might need some type of DC to DC converter. I think it can also be done with capacitors. Say three 4v capacitors in series = 12v, then tap two Capacitors to = 8 volts. I don't know for sure. There are lot more expert people around here than me for this. Another way that will increase amperage for sure, without loss of voltage, is to parallel two or more batteries. You will get the combined amperage
of all the batteries you are using. I am assuming you are using 12v batteries.

George

Hi George
Yes it was mbrown thanks for helping me remember!

Yes I know about using batteries or capacitors in parrallel to increase amperage.
I like the idea of using 12 volt capictors then sizing the capacior voltage down to 8 volts etc. Kind of like a funnel....I thought about that before but not for this reason. This warrants serious consideration. I will have to test this very soon.
Thanks
Bizzy

[wrtner]

Hi Paul,
In those two cases I have it covered...
The trigger wheel and magnets act as a flywheel for the main shaft.
The switch and trigger magnets pulse the motor from the transfer capacitor when the energizer/alternator and the switch capacitor switch capacitor are disconnected.
Bizzy

Dear Bizzy,

Have another look at Jim Watson's development of John Bedini's original
proposition. He took it to another level. That has is a real flywheel. I
understand that the flywheel matters.

It would be good if JB would comment.......

[Bizzy]

Dear Bizzy,

Have another look at Jim Watson's development of John Bedini's original
proposition. He took it to another level. That has is a real flywheel. I
understand that the flywheel matters.

It would be good if JB would comment.......

Hi Paul,
I can add weight to the flywheel/triggerwheel at any time although given my space contrant I can not add any further distance away from the center.
I am a little hesistant to add further weight at this time only becuase I have it balance to my motor size. However once I get the circuit worked out better I would very much like to do just that.
vielen Dank
Bizzy

[wrtner]

I am a little hesistant to add further weight at this time

I think you need to design in a need for a heavy flywheel
or your project may never deliver a good COP.
Check out the first two projects here:
IDEAS AND MOTORS

[Bizzy]

I think you need to design in a need for a heavy flywheel
or your project may never deliver a good COP.
Check out the first two projects here:
IDEAS AND MOTORS

Hi Paul
Thanks for sharing those it has been a while since I delved into that site. There is a way I can add more weight onto my flywheel protion of the trigger wheel. Once I complete the experiments I am currently in I can do that.
Thanks
Bizzy

[Bizzy]

I think it was mbrown in the Lockridge thread that said it. Isn't it by reducing
voltage that amps increase ? You might need some type of DC to DC converter. I think it can also be done with capacitors. Say three 4v capacitors in series = 12v, then tap two Capacitors to = 8 volts. I don't know for sure. There are lot more expert people around here than me for this. Another way that will increase amperage for sure, without loss of voltage, is to parallel two or more batteries. You will get the combined amperage
of all the batteries you are using. I am assuming you are using 12v batteries.

George

Hi George
Last night I started running some tests with two capacitors in a series at the alternator. The intial tests look promising. I am getting higher amperage reading on my test motor as well as higher test motor speeds. There is however a slightly higher differance in alternator speed as a result but I may be able to work able that.
Thanks
Bizzy

[FRC]

Sounds good

Bizzy,

Glad I was able to throw out some ideas that helped. I wish I was more of an
expert on this kind of stuff. Sounds like you are making progress at least. I
think you will eventually get the results you want if you keep at it.

George

[Bizzy]

Alternator Capacitors in series

Hi George
I went back into some of my previous tests where I did infact use two capacitors in series or higher voltage capacitors at the alternator. If you look at my last video my starting video was only 20.X volts. However in previous videos it was 26 to 27 volts because I used the higher voltage capacitors. The higher capacitor volts also allowed the alternator to run faster. Since it started higher it had further to drop when I engaged the switch. This was giving me higher differance readings in speed, which was what I was watching to gauge performance.
However In looking over the numbers more closely all the "improved" tests would stop falling when the alternator speed was around 600 to 650 rpms.
So I was able to determine that as long as the alternator was spinning in that range it is ok so then in that grouping I looked for the best actual test motor speed.
There were exceptions BUT in MOST cases the test that used the alternator capacitors in series gave the highest test motor speed.
This doesn't solve all of my technical problems but it does set me in a better direction than I was before.

Sometimes we have the answers right under our nose but we need other people to remind us to look.
Thanks
Bizzy

[Bizzy]

Updated Switch circuit

Good morning

After additional research here is my updated switch circuit.
The changes I made keep the speed of the alternator around the mid 600 rpm zone but produces a higher speed on the test motor around 2300+ rpms

The first change you will notice is the two capictors in series at the alternator. This allows for a higher initial alternator speed and higher voltage at the alternator which is allowed to convert to amperage when it continues to the switch capacitor(thanks George)
The next change you will notice is the removal of the diode between the switch and the alternator capacitor.
The biggest change you will notice is that the back emf from the motor now is diverted to the alternator capacitor instead of the switch capacitor. The reason for the better performance is that the back emf is more voltage than current. Since the voltage capacity is now increased it can accomodatethe additional voltage better than the single switch capacitor.
Feel free to ask any questions you may have.
Thanks
Bizzy

[Bizzy]

progress update

Good afternoon
I wanted to share an update on my Bedini Machine.
This past weekend I continued my testing of using series capacitors at the alternator. It looks very promising. There are also a few more circuit adjustments I need to test before I continue forward as well.

I also tested using batteries instead of the alternator capacitors. In this test the switch is hooked up directly to the main motor which turns the alternator rotors.
Previously it would only run for 1 hour and 10 minutes
With the improved circuit it ran for 4 hour 50 minutes
When I added the 2nd alternator it ran for 13 hours 35 minutes. ( my wife hated this one because it is so loud)
It should also be noted that adding the 2nd alternator to the shaft does not slow down the shaft. It does however require a little longer to get up to maximum speed.

Eventually once I have my circuit worked out completely that I will be able to add as many alternators as needed to supply the alternator capacitors with the required power.

I didn't have time to make the alternator video. I will wait until I add the next alternator to make the next video that way I can show everone what it looks like when it is apart.
Bizzy

[Bizzy]

Tonight

Good evening
Tonight after dinner I was in the workshop tinkering as usual. For the past few days I have been rebuilding my stator supports so that I can stack additional alternators onto my unit.
As I usually did after each part was fastened I did a breif test to make sure everything was running smoothly. At one point I must have moved a wire which acted as a spring at the switch. The results were astounding. I went from 2300 rpms to 2750 rpms while the alternator speed remained constant at 650 rpms.
This wire acted as a spring which forced the switch down faster so the reaction time of the switch was quicker, thus giving me more amps at the test motor.
This deserve further testing before I proceed.
Bizzy

[Bizzy]

Batteries versus Capacitors

Good morning
After quite a bit of testing and tweeking I took George's suggestion of the series capacitor and went one step further. I put two batteries in series at the alternator in place of the capacitors. The results were excellent.
Because capacitors charge and discharge differently than batteries, the alternator speed was only reduced by 50 rpms when the switch was engaged. The reason is that a capaitor charges and discharges quickier than a battery so it makes the alternator work harder, which slows the alternator down as I have shown on previous videos.
In addition I was now able to increase my test motor speed to 2900 rpms. I was able to sustain those speeds two hours until I deteced any type of volt/speed drop in the alternator.
Just running the test motor from the battery via the switch but not charging the battery with the alternaor, I would detect a reduction in battery voltage and test motor speed after 3 minutes.
This means if I can maintain such a high speed I will need fewer alternators to keep the batteries charges to run the main motor once I close the system.
I have a few more tests to run before I am able to go that far.
Bizzy

[FRC]

Bizzy

Your goal is to be able to charge batteries and self run. No reason why a couple more batteries in the system can not be there. If it makes it more efficient than caps then definitely do things this way.

George