Crystal Radio Initiative - Telluric Transmission, Fact or Fiction?

[Aaron]

The Crystal Radio Initiative was an experiment proposed by Eric Dollard to create a Tesla-type crystal radio to see who would be the first to light a 100 watt bulb from an AM radio station. In all these years, nobody has come close but a few people reported lighting LEDs and one person even claimed to run a small motor. It is one thing to be able to power small loads like this from an AM radio station but proving whether or not it actually came from the radio station by transmitting it through the Earth is a whole other challenge.

Though the course of some private communications between myself, Dr. Adrian Marsh, Griffin Brock and Hakasays, it was decided to launch a new challenge - to definitively prove the very idea of telluric transmission in and of itself. A new proposed experiment will be posted that will allow for the testing of telluric transmission from an AM station that will rule out any possibility of above-ground reception.

The next post or posts will be a copy and paste of the private discussion so you can get a feel for what this is all about and what direction it may take.

Here are some references that are relevant to this Telluric Challenge.

Crystal Radio Initiative presentation and book by Eric Dollard: https://emediapress.com/shop/crystal-radio-initiative/

Crystal Radio Initiative Forum: http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/...dio-initiative

Griffin Brock's recent 2022 ESTC presentation on Telluric transmission experiments is available here: https://emediapress.com/shop/telluri...tion-research/

If you would like to be able to reply to this discussion, please post your interest here by showing some pictures, videos, etc. of your actual experiments: http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/...rship-requests

If you experimented with the Crystal Radio Initiative project in the past, please post a link to it.

Thanks!

[Aaron]

6:16 AM
Adrian Marsh, PhD
WIth regard to the CRI, I have done those experiments, and you can find the video experiment and write-up for a 2-coil experiment here:
9:25 AM

Telluric Transference of Electric Power - Brookmans Park AM Radio Transmitter - AMInnovations
Telluric transference of electric power transfer using Brookmans Park radio transmitter and a Tesla transformer receiver.
www.am-innovations.com
Jan 30, 2022
https://www.am-innovations.com/tellu...io-transmitter
This was done at 909kc and 1198kc, 300m from a 150kW transmitter, that's one wavelength from the base of the monopole transmitting antenna.
I can confirm that virtually no power is pushed through the ground (telluric) by a AM broadcast radio transmitter evev at a few 100m from its base. Maybe in the scope of the radial ground plane 60-70m from the monopole base this would be different, but then you are technically in the displacement current collection zone.
Maybe with a 3-coil system it might be possible to "pull" power from the transmitter, but it certainly doesn't push it at these frequencies.
With a 3-coil system you could maybe tune the LMD cavity between the extra and the secondary to "pull" the power across from the AM monopole antenna base.
AP
Will try this field-trip when I get time.
9:31 AM
HAKASAYS
Hakasays
Adrian Marsh, PhD
With a 3-coil system you could maybe tune the LMD cavity between the extra and the secondary to "pull" the power across from the AM monopole antenna base.
Or possibly a 'tickler' to get the tension built-up. Like a very low power Armstrong
9:35 AM
Adrian Marsh, PhD
Yes possibly, that needs to be tried as well.
What people don't seem to understand that to light a 100W light bulb connected to your Tesla transformer output, you need a lot of tension on the secondary
/extra coil.
9:37 AM

You can try this by powering your Tesla transformer in reverse. Connect series-fed the hot output of your generator to the base of the secondary coil, and the cold output to ground. Then dial-up 100W on your generator at the correct series mode frequency. If you get this right there will be a lot of tension at the top of your secondary/extra coil. Then you can connect a 100W bulb to your primary, and it will light-up bright!
No tension - no power
So stick an earth rod a few 100m away from a broadcast AM station, tune your extra/secondary to the correct series mode frequency - what do you get - no tension on the extra/secondary - the power just isnt there through the ground.
AP
You can however light an LED using the Tesla transformer, as this is received via the radio-wave over the ground - which is what the monopole AM broadcast transmitter is designed for
9:42 AM
10:00 AM
After launching the crystal radio initiative, a good handful of people did successfully light LEDs from a lot farther away than 300 meters with the Tesla style crystal radio tied into the Earth. It's flea power but does show the possibility. One person Eric was in contact with was able to get a small motor to turn - I don't know to what degree - that's what he told me though.
10:05 AM
Adrian Marsh, PhD
Yes you can light an LED from the radio-wave received over the ground, and at some distance as well.
AP
That however is not power transferred through the telluric-wave.
10:07 AM
if there is no antennae, how is it doing that?
10:10 AM
Adrian Marsh, PhD
The Tesla transformer is an antenna, it is a coil of wire that acts as a many-turn mag-loop antenna, and it is sitting above the ground, with its bottom-end connected to ground. For any credible Telluric transmission test, you need to measure both the radio-wave received by the coil and the telluric-wave received by the transformer.
The ratio of the two determines its efficiency as a Telluric receiver.
AP
I do again cover this in detail on my website in the Telluric category.
10:19 AM
some of the old experiments 10 years ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcw9IfNCu2s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAyUx3v5D08
10:26 AM
AP
Adrian Marsh, PhD
Thanks Aaron, I will take a look at these
10:28 AM
pretty much showing the same as Griffin's scope shots. These 2 vids are of the audio received by both from a live broadcast somewhere in Wales
10:29 AM
AP
Adrian Marsh, PhD
Receiving audio is fine, this is what a broadcast AM radio transmitter is for , but I very much doubt this is through the ground as in telluric, it is simply through the radio-wave received by the Tesla transformer, like any other radio receiver, crystal or otherwise.
10:31 AM
if the tesla style crystal radio was on the ground and was completely encased in a shielded screen with the only thing leaving that confinement was the ground wire, would you think that is valid?
10:38 AM
Griffin Brock
I would say that the hertzian wave component is definitely there, even with no antenna. In one of the videos in the presentation a transceiver is connected to the metallic drums in the Earth, and other end simpl floats (no antenna). It's receiving WRMI down in Florida, but the station is indeed fading in and out. Disconnecting the Earth terminal dimishes the station, so one would think that this is purely telluric, but the station fades in and out indicating ionospheric refraction. Now of course this is because we are assuming that the telluric wave does not fade, granted it's not dependent on the ionosphere, but does respond to inner-Earth geomagntic activity. The only way to prove the telluric component would be to surround the receiving apparati in an electrostatic screen/mesh, which would ultimately block the electrostatic component of the Hertzian wave.
10:39 AM
AP
Adrian Marsh, PhD
You
if the tesla style crystal radio was on the ground and was completely encased in a shielded screen with the only thing leaving that confinement was the ground wire, would you think that is valid?
The shielded screen will not stop the magnetic induction field from reaching the Tesla transformer, it will only stop the dielectric induction field.
10:40 AM
Griffin Brock
Adrian Marsh, PhD
The shielded screen will not stop the magnetic induction field from reaching the Tesla transformer, it will only stop the dielectric induction field.
Quite true
There's no possible method to effectively block the magnetic component, and adding any nearby pick up loops to possibly re-direct the signal would act to couple it, by inducing power into the receiving coils.
10:42 AM
AP
Adrian Marsh, PhD
Griffin Brock
I would say that the hertzian wave component is definitely there, even with no antenna. In one of the videos in the presentation a transceiver is connected to the metallic drums in the Earth, and other end simpl floats (no antenna). It's receiving WRMI down in Florida, but the station is indeed fading in and out. Disconnecting the Earth terminal dimishes the station, so one would think that this is purely telluric, but the station fades in and out indicating ionospheric refraction. Now of course this is because we are assuming that the telluric wave does not fade, granted it's not dependent on the ionosphere, but does respond to inner-Earth geomagntic activity. The only way to prove the telluric component would be to surround the receiving apparati in an electrostatic screen/mesh, which would ultimately block the electrostatic component of the Hertzian wave.
Indeed the radio-wave is definitely there, and is easily confirmed as you say by using a long wire at the bottom end of the Tesla transformer. The case of the CRI is that the transmitter is not a Tesla transformer, it is TEM antenna. There is I believe no Telluric component generated outside of the radial ground plane from an AM radio broadcast transmitter and antenna.
10:43 AM
Put it in a faraday cage with a shielded screen around that?
10:44 AM
AP

[Aaron]

Adrian Marsh, PhD
This is different for a TMT where the transmitter is a Tesla transformer as well as the receiver
10:44 AM
Griffin Brock
You
Put it in a faraday cage with a shielded screen around that?
The magnetic component would still pass through.
10:44 AM
This is the kind of discussion that should be in the forum This is what people need to read.
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Griffin Brock

Granted that the final output of a broadcast transmitter is fed to an antenna matching unit, the indutance coils associated with the antenna do work against a ground. However, since these coils are not directly resonating on a series mode, most of the induction is allocated near the top terminal connected to the antenna mast. I confirmed this last week where varying the tuning of a single coil either directs it down into the Earth or upwards for radiation. There is still a small telluric component, but this is detectable when a suitable capacitive body is in the Earth.
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AP
Adrian Marsh, PhD
Griffin Brock
Granted that the final output of a broadcast transmitter is fed to an antenna matching unit, the indutance coils associated with the antenna do work against a ground. However, since these coils are not directly resonating on a series mode, most of the induction is allocated near the top terminal connected to the antenna mast. I confirmed this last week where varying the tuning of a single coil either directs it down into the Earth or upwards for radiation. There is still a small telluric component, but this is detectable when a suitable capacitive body is in the Earth.
This "Telluric" component is actually only the displacement current between the monopole and it's radial ground plane. Once you are further away from the radial ground plane there is no Telluric signal under the ground.
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Griffin Brock
AP
From my measurements at 909kc, this high frequency RF simply does not travel through the ground at all, that is why you can't power a light bulb even one wavelength from the AM transmitter. As I said no tension on the Tesla transformer, no power!
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AP
Adrian Marsh, PhD
Thats great news Aaron! ... and yes good idea about the group chats ... it is really time to start dispelling all this Tesla mythology, and start working with the real experimental results and what can be confirmed through direct replication
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Griffin Brock
I would suppose that to visualize this effect in terms of long wave skip propagation, the boundary condition of the wave between the ionosphere and Earth's surface presents itself,
but by employing either a decent ground or decent antenna, re-establishes the Earth-Ionosphere condition. Thus if a crystal radio is connected to a water tap, but no antenna, and the signal comes in loud and clear, it is simply re-establishing the already but weak existing propagating Hertzian wave, against a large capacity Earth.
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AP
Adrian Marsh, PhD
Griffin Brock
I would suppose that to visualize this effect in terms of long wave skip propagation, the boundary condition of the wave between the ionosphere and Earth's surface presents itself,
but by employing either a decent ground or decent antenna, re-establishes the Earth-Ionosphere condition. Thus if a crystal radio is connected to a water tap, but no antenna, and the signal comes in loud and clear, it is simply re-establishing the already but weak existing propagating Hertzian wave, against a large capacity Earth.
Yes indeed! ... very much so!
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Griffin Brock
Wouldn't that lead to an explanation for the audio phase shift experiments of the recieved signals? In that if primarily a ground is used with very little Hertzian pickup, as opposed to a mirror image unbalanced situation where only an antenna is used, then a phase shift will occur? Meaning the ground and aerial possesses different phase characteristics in terms of receiving? This holds to be true for transmission.
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There is a lot of truth to mythology in general and mythology in and of itself is not a bad thing in my opinion as it is the source of inspiration for experiments and conversations like these. I think proposing a validation rather than "dispelling" would be better received. I think a new experiment or enhancement to CRI is to take all of this, you all are more qualified than I am to word it properly and fit the protocols, parameters, etc. do's and dont's on a 1-2 page PDF to see if it can be validated as to whether or not an AM station is broadcasting through the Earth. That can be added to CRI and send to everyone that bought that package and to others that have related presentations since they'd already be interested. CRI at minimum proved the point that you can power things remotely fro... Read more
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Adrian Marsh, PhD
Aaron I am also keen on mythology as a source of inspiration, but only as a source to explore further ... there is far too much Tesla heresay which everyone thinks is true, but they have never measured it, let alone tried to really answer what is possible and what is not. Sooner or later these things really need to be exposed and tested to see if they can be validated or not. From my own experiments the CRI in terms of lighting a light bulb simply is not feasible, there is no working mechanism for it, and RF power is not passing via a Telluric wave through the ground - others can try it for themselves, and it's not that difficult to do. You need a Tesla transformer 2-coil or 3-coil tuned to the correct frequency of the AM transmitter, and then get near it and start experimenting. I have not seen Eric produce the working 100W light bulb from the CRI - has anyone ever seen what is claimed?
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Eric hasn't made any claims for himself - just proposing the experiment.
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Adrian Marsh, PhD
If the mythology is to be followed I would imagine that the reason for proposing the experiment is that it is possible to do it - but no-one has demonstrated it, even got anywhere near, and from my measurements I think I understand why - RF power from an AM radio transmitter simply does not propagate under the ground, it gets absorbed by the earth mere cm's from the ground electrode.
AP
I stand to be corrected by anyone that can actually demonstrate it rather than simply talk about it.
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Griffin Brock
I thought Eric had said he managed to light a 100 watt bulb after a year of tuning his TMT setup back in the day?
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We can certainly document whatever evidence shows up - unfortunately, the powers that be do not want the truth to anything to be known so none of this will probably ever go viral, especially with the mass majority of the people sleepwalking in a trance anyway but we'll know the truth or at least a more accurate understanding. I'm all for challenging all of this.

RE: 100 watt bulb, I was specifically talking about Eric not making any claims about the crystal radio method.
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Adrian Marsh, PhD
I am still doing the 3-coil Tesla transformer experiments myself as I said, to see if I can "pull" the power from the transmitter
You
Yes I agree, at least we will know for sure what is possible, and what is not, which would be in my mind an enormous positive step forward.
AP
And a great way to base future ESTC presentation and demonstrations.
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The small number of people that are really following this are paying attention to all of us so that matters because they do care and appreciate what we're all doing.
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