WFC Tube Insulation & White Powder Coating

[kumaran]

Plate electrode and Bedini SSG

Hi guys,

I read about white coatings on SS electrode using high voltage pulse in other forum. White coatings is part of conditioning process that could produce more gas output. I don't have narrow gap SS cylinders but I do have 6" x 6" SS plate (304) which I'm using for hydrogen generator (Bob Boyce series design). Few years back I was experimenting on Bedini SSG.

I took out my old Bedini SSG monopole motor to use for this experiment. I drilled 5mm hole at middle and four corners of the plates. Use nylon screw to tie both plates together with 1mm nylon washer as spacer between plates.

Bifilar wound 850 turns of 0.50mm and 0.65mm copper magnet wire onto ferrite core. Use only 680 ohm resistor at transistor base. The rotor has 5 pieces of 1" magnet sandwich epoxy between aluminium plate and mounted on harddisk bearing.

I don't use any secondary battery for charging but replaced with single cell.

Transistor collector -> 1N4007 -> cell -> battery positive

Use only tap water as electolyte without any additives. Run the system for almost a week. Replaced water twice a day due to brown scum at beginning. Now lesser brown scum forms so I just replace water once a day. After 5 days I notice white coatings on negative plate at top edges. I can't see how much white coating covers through out the plate surface.

I'll post the results as progress.

[opmeyer]

Caclium carbonate tablets. results after 8x2 hour runs.

2 crushed tables.

per tablet.
Calcium Phosphate (calcium 210mg)570mg
Calcium hydrogen phosphate (calcium 140mg) 600mg
Cholecalciferol 2.5 ug

I got bad orange much after 2 hours. this was from the steel hose clamp holding the pipes together and the steel aligator clips. With copper wire and cable tie holding the cell together , i do not get much brown/prange muck at all.

anyway I now have 90 % of all tubes insulated. see images below. (please see the WFC schematic post for details and corrections on my latest youtube video. (it was remved because I was not getting 0 amps. Wrong reading. Still 4-5 amps with arron schematics as with lawton and straight dc)

but anyway, I have insulating coating now on tubes, still blotchy tho, but not bad.


http://home.vicnet.net.au/~olaf/hho/white3.jpg

[hydrocars]

i used dawn detergent to condition my tubes, what you see in the picture was done in a few hours. i would perform electrolysis and take out to dry, poor dawn into the container first, then water. then repeat the steps.

the water molecule is not off balance, it has no polarity. if you coat both cells so they can't come into contact with the water and you use a van de graaf generator to create static across the rods, the negative static charged cathode will attract the positive hydrogen atom.

the anode, the positive charged anode will attract the negative oxygen atom. the anode also pushes away the positive hydrogen atom, and the cathode pushes away the negative oxygen atom.

if you get this static field strong enough, the static fields of the polarity of the cell will rip the water molecule apart breaking the covalent bond of the water molecule.

so you would need 2 coated cells so that they came not in contact with water, and you need a van de graaf generator. we're working on this over at ionizationx

[Aaron]

dawn coating test

Hydrocars,

Did you test the van de graaf yet?

Aaron

[Redmeanie]

Hydro Cars.....

Im very interested in the Van De Graaf results Also.....
Also using dish soap actually worked that well? Im surprised it did not create a bunch of gunk in the water..... This could be a very big finding in the conditioning area of the WFC if it works that easily

[Redmeanie]

Info on Calcium Build Up.....Calcite

Dissolved minerals, primarily bicarbonates of calcium and magnesium, remain within their host complexes under normal conditions. As a result, the dissolved particles, devoid of any nucleation centers for growth and escape from the water, flow evenly within the water having no particular tendency to bind together or lose their solubility. However, when the mineral content of the water becomes over saturated, is heated, or placed under decreased pressure (as it does, for example, when the water exits the pipe and flows into you faucet screens and shower heads), the water releases gases such as carbon dioxide that increases the water's pH and allows mineral complexes to become agitated, break up and the minerals to clump into larger masses. The clumping effect makes it more difficult for the minerals to remain soluble and the crystallized mineral precipitates out of solution and attaches to any available nucleation center, typically your plumbing walls and fixtures. Two types of crystallization occur.

** The first, which occurs in the hottest part of the heat exchanger (hot water heater heating element, for example), results in a mineral form called calcite. Calcite is an adherent mineral that attaches itself to the surface of the heat exchanger. Repeated collisions cause the build up of more and more scale on the heat exchange surface. Since mineral scale is an insulator, transfer of heat from the heating element to the water is gradually reduced causing more energy to be consumed to heat the same water.**

**The second type of crystallization occurs when calcium carbonate forms in a lower heat environment away from a heat exchanger. The resulting mineral formation is called aragonite. While aragonite can still adhere to surfaces (faucet screens and shower heads for example) its primary form is non adherent and tends to form smaller grained or softer scale deposits. These deposits remain stable upon heating and can be carried throughout the heating or cooling system causing little or no damage. This type of scale is what collects at the bottom of your water heater, becomes trapped in faucet mounted filters, appears as toilet bowel discoloration, or moves through and out of your home through the water pipes.**

This is some info I found in a manual for maintenance and repair of water heaters.......Its old and missing covers so I can't tell you what its called or give credits....
Just thought this might help a bit with the discussion at hand

[Karl_Palsness]

semiconducting properties of passive films formed on AISI 304 stainless steel

You might find this important if you believe in the coating idea:

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?scri...32002000400005


This far in my work I have not found the coating of any beneficial use but have not ruled it out either. Having talked to people that worked with SM they do not remember any coating be important in the cell to operate. If it was; I would think that SM would have included it in one of his patents as he did patent everything. There are a lot of ways to stop amps or add electron gate’s to the circuit that would be more reliable than the coating, but I am not ruling it out…lol.

[Aaron]

possible clear coating

It is possible SM used super corona dope on his tubes and nobody would ever know and they wouldn't be able to see it with tubes submerged.

[ashtweth]

GUYS WHY, inst any body NOT LOADING their WFC and still claiming OU?
temperature and pressure(which gets effected under LOAD) plays a role in the final TRANSFERENCE. Please please please LOAD YOUR FUEL CELL WITH HEAT OR WHAT EVER AND THEN CLAIM IT AS OU.


a reminder what power is.
THE ABILITY TO DO WORK!

[rick123]

hydrogen cell

Hello everyone, this is my first post. I am in the process of conditioning this cell. This is my third build. I am running the d-14 circuit. For the first time I get no brown stuff built-up in the water? I sanded the 316 L tubes and am using tap water. Here is a pic rick

[rick123]

I have been conditioning with 555 circuit for three days and could not get white coating. I switched to Aarons wall circuit and saw a little bit of white coating after three hours of continues run time. I have my variac set @ 10 volts, with bridge, diode into inductor on positive. I will continue to condition for the rest of this week. Then I am trying the ignition coil for choke. Thankyou Aaron, Rick

[Jetijs]

Rick, your cell looks very good. Thank you for sharing
Keep up the good work!

[linesrg]

White coating

Good Morning All,

I've been running my Dave Lawton pattern cell for a short while now.

I have found that I shouldn't have used crimp terminals to connect the wires between tubes and am now using electric fencing repair wire for interlinking tubes.

My inner tubes are well coated in a white deposit.

I'm only using the D14.pdf electronics and less than 2A at all times. I note the reports of upto 5A, I thought this was meant to be a potential thing not brute force?

I am still producing brown stuff after what 4 weeks (3 seperate periods amounting to this in total).

Our water is uncontaminated with the chemicals normal domestic tap water is in the UK as it comes from a well. I'm beginning to wonder what might be in the water itself as the tubes are 316L grade steel.

I have the bits to add on the caps/ FWBR/ load as per the latest D14 and will look to adding these next time home.

I'm currently sourcing 150mm tube and end caps for Ashweth and getting a set for myself at the same time. I can supply the 110mm tube and end caps and stainless steel tube to people in the UK/ EC area. Just give me a shout.

Regards

Richard

[rick123]

Continuity

I have been conditioning cell for about one week. 3-4 hours everyday. I keep negative to inner tube and positive to outer tube. All power is off and I have water in my cell and test for continuity between negative and positive tubes it gives me a positive reading if i attach my leads, negative to negative tube and positive lead to positive tube. If i change my meter leads to opposite tubes it shows no continuity. I have done this a dozen times to re-check on every tube. Does anyone now why this happens?

[ashtweth]

Hi, Dont interchange your leads, it will ruin the white coating , Ravi told me that.

Re- Rich

hmm well tap water obviously has different additives in it, i know some people in the states could not get their cell working due to the different water. I would go for Run of the Mil "crappy" tap water to get the additives in it for proper conditioning (like dave used) and go from there. Hope it helps mate.

Ash