The mysterious technology of Stanley Meyer

[tutanka]

too mysterious technology. I'll wait for your book

Too simple technology .. that was the problem of Stanley Meyer and because he created the myth to ionize the air..

[wolf234]

CO as a carrier for hydrogen - like N for H3. Illogical procedure under PDF can decay COH2 produces more energy than oil

[tutanka]

CO as a carrier for hydrogen - like N for H3. Illogical procedure under PDF can decay COH2 produces more energy than oil

This is the image extracted from pantone patent.. attached also PMC diagram..

What is different about in these two diagrams?

Which of these two diagrams actually works and why?

[adam_mizer]

This is the image extracted from pantone patent.. attached also PMC diagram..

What is different about in these two diagrams?

Which of these two diagrams actually works and why?

Is there a diagram written in English?
In Pantones patent he is heating the fluid mix.

[tutanka]

Is there a diagram written in English?
In Pantones patent he is heating the fluid mix.

Is crazy that with two diagrams in your hands you don't are able to see the difference.. let me know the sense for share info with you

[Swede11]

suggestion...

Hello! Very intresting thread. may i suggest, the difference between the 2 pictures is, in the left pic there is a continius addition of a small portion of fuel (maybee Gas.) regards J.

[wolf234]

Tutank raylight lord knew that the reaction operates without oxygen

* As the exhaust first travels between the "outer" space, between inner and the outer pipes, it heats their surface to its own temperature. In order that this temperature be as high as possible, the outer pipe should be thermally insulated with a glass wool jacket. Another contribution to higher temperatures at the inner surface of the outer pipe involves the Ranque-Hilsch effect : the exhaust flow should spiral, so that the hotter components in the gas gather against the outer surface where the steam is more thoroughly reduced into hydrogen while the pipe surface is oxidized. In turn, the released hydrogen reacts with the carbon dioxide into carbon monoxide and water (CO2 + H2 >> CO + H2O) at high temperatures, while the steam can again be reduced by the hot iron into hydrogen. Provided that the outer surface of the cooler inner tube contains catalyzers such as nickel, already at 200° C, carbon dioxide and hydrogen combine into methane and water (CO2 + 4H2 >> CH4 + 2H2O), the latter of which can again be reduced at the hotter surface of the outer pipe. Therefore, both the water and the carbon dioxide are reduced, the exhaust becomes depleted in carbon dioxide and enriched in fuels such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen and methane.

[tutanka]

* As the exhaust first travels between the "outer" space, between inner and the outer pipes, it heats their surface to its own temperature. In order that this temperature be as high as possible, the outer pipe should be thermally insulated with a glass wool jacket. Another contribution to higher temperatures at the inner surface of the outer pipe involves the Ranque-Hilsch effect : the exhaust flow should spiral, so that the hotter components in the gas gather against the outer surface where the steam is more thoroughly reduced into hydrogen while the pipe surface is oxidized. In turn, the released hydrogen reacts with the carbon dioxide into carbon monoxide and water (CO2 + H2 >> CO + H2O) at high temperatures, while the steam can again be reduced by the hot iron into hydrogen. Provided that the outer surface of the cooler inner tube contains catalyzers such as nickel, already at 200° C, carbon dioxide and hydrogen combine into methane and water (CO2 + 4H2 >> CH4 + 2H2O), the latter of which can again be reduced at the hotter surface of the outer pipe. Therefore, both the water and the carbon dioxide are reduced, the exhaust becomes depleted in carbon dioxide and enriched in fuels such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen and methane.

Just words.. at 200°C you can't able to make new molecules or split water vapour also if you use nickel as catalyst.. you can test simply using an wood stove also.. with that you reach more than 200°C and you have CO2 and H2O as exaust gas.. believe in me CO2 AND WATER dissociation isn't simple.. you need an temperature from 800-900°C inside the reactor for crack CO2 and water steam using every an catalyst

[adam_mizer]

Is crazy that with two diagrams in your hands you don't are able to see the difference.. let me know the sense for share info with you

This is the image extracted from pantone patent.. attached also PMC diagram..

What is different about in these two diagrams?

Which of these two diagrams actually works and why?

They are all the same sketches.
Its just the way you look at it.
Pantone does not have an auxiliary bubbler attachment on the intake.
Also Pantone does not have a separation on the actual reactor to bubbler, and is preheating the fluid/gas.
I would not recommend building from the Pantone print as it appears incomplete without the separation of plumbing.
The polar alignment of the rod may be effected, which might not allow any plasma field to be established, I don't know just guessing.
No air addition on Pantones unless #63 is used.

Per your other answer too me, I am here to learn also.
Have not followed the geet, you can share or not share with others its up to you.
I try to play your game for you, so stay positive Tut.
Don't get bent out of shape if you don't hear the right answer your looking for.

Here's another picture to add.

[tutanka]

They are all the same sketches.
Its just the way you look at it.
Pantone does not have an auxiliary bubbler attachment on the intake.
Also Pantone does not have a separation on the actual reactor to bubbler, and is preheating the fluid/gas.
I would not recommend building from the Pantone print as it appears incomplete without the separation of plumbing.
The polar alignment of the rod may be effected, which might not allow any plasma field to be established, I don't know just guessing.
No air addition on Pantones unless #63 is used.

Per your other answer too me, I am here to learn also.
Have not followed the geet, you can share or not share with others its up to you.
I try to play your game for you, so stay positive Tut.
Don't get bent out of shape if you don't hear the right answer your looking for.

Here's another picture to add.

Sorry .. you have to see better.
Exist an important difference into PMC diagram respect to pantone geet.
And that is the key for have an working device.
Because no car uses the pantone geet? simply because it does not work!

[wolf234]

Tutank yes 200 degrees is weakly. I made device-Tube rusty and the nickel wire in. steam began degrade weakly. stupnoch.skušal at about 500 I generate hydrogen on iron oxide 2 years ago

[Wireguy]

Rod in reaction chamber

The rod is centered in the chamber on the PMC unit. The rod is allowed to float in the chamber on the Pantone unit. The floating rod may work on a vertically oriented chamber, but I highly doubt it will work on a horizontal unit.

The metals making up both the rod and the internal tube will react with Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen etc at the elevated temperatures 800°C+ to reform into syngas. I would guess that the metals in a catalytic converter would aide in this process (i.e. Pt, Pd, Ni, Cu, Cs, Ru, etc.) and break down CO, CO2, Hydrocarbons into reactive compounds, aided by the magnetic field generated by the rod (although probably quite weak).

Baziev uses a strong magnetic field and reactive metals to do the same thing.

My two cents anyway.

Best regards, Wireguy

[tutanka]

The rod is centered in the chamber on the PMC unit. The rod is allowed to float in the chamber on the Pantone unit. The floating rod may work on a vertically oriented chamber, but I highly doubt it will work on a horizontal unit.

The metals making up both the rod and the internal tube will react with Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen etc at the elevated temperatures 800°C+ to reform into syngas. I would guess that the metals in a catalytic converter would aide in this process (i.e. Pt, Pd, Ni, Cu, Cs, Ru, etc.) and break down CO, CO2, Hydrocarbons into reactive compounds, aided by the magnetic field generated by the rod (although probably quite weak).

Baziev uses a strong magnetic field and reactive metals to do the same thing.

My two cents anyway.

Best regards, Wireguy

The high temperature (about 900°C) and thermionic effect is the key for obtain an working device. The main problem is reach and maintain stable in the time that temperature.

[Wireguy]

Heat capacity of Water

I would guess that the heat capacity of water (liquid) makes it much more difficult to maintain temperature. Most of the other compounds, N2, Air, CO, etc, all have heat capacities around 1.0, while water (steam) is around 2.0 (along with octane and other hydrocarbons). Liquid water is around 4.0 so the addition of a hydrocarbon is necessary to offset the higher heat capacity.

Interesting conversation

Best regards, Wireguy

[wolf234]

I used a rod of iron. tubes meď.na oxygen removal. enclose Kanarevo reactor. much energy is needed whether that means worse than the previous ones your