Water Fuel Secrets

[Aaron]

I have released a brief report today called Water Fuel Secrets.

Many of you know this information is FREE in this forum as several years
back, Michael John Nunnerley, Alex (Tutanka) and a few others including
myself posted over and over and over and over about the importance
of nitrogen, ionization of the air and it was explained that Stan Meyer's
references to non-combustible gases were indisputably - NITROGEN.

Anyone is free to go look it all up and spend the time to do that.

You can get a copy here that shows 100% indisputably that what we have
all been saying all along has never been speculation. It is in Meyer's
OWN WORDS.


Water Fuel Secrets by Aaron Murakami

[Aaron]

Water Fuel Secrets

02-20-2010, 10:12 AM
h20power
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661


To be here or not to be here, that is the question.
Hi Everyone,

In the past few days you have seen nothing more than an abuse of power. And what happened to me can happen to each and every one of you.

Question: Do think you would see a posting of Dr. Lindemann's true age or an aireal shot of his place of business or the same information posted about JB?
The answer is NO.

What happened to me can also happen to any of you. It all started with a post I made on the, "Atomic Hydrogen" thread. I posted a lot of questions that have gone thus far unanswered by anyone involved with the other theory.

Questions like these;
1. What is the rate of the reaction to form Nitrogen Hydroxide?
2. How and where will these new molecules be formed?
3. What is the expected energy content or energy yield of the whole process?
4. In looking at the Gas Gun there is only trace amounts of nitrogen in the system coming from disolved gases in the water that is being broken down so how could nitrogen be a vital part of what Meyer calls thermo explosive energy (gmt)?

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I won't post much from h20power, just this. There is plenty on the internet that anyone can find. He fought us tooth and nail to deny any relevance of nitrogen in the Stan Meyer process. He insulted us, called us names and even made a death threat to me. That is why I posted a picture of his work place for my own protection. We agreed to part ways and I removed the picture of his work. This is why he is not here and NOT what Bussi wants everyone to believe.

The "nitrogen hydroxide" is not a real molecule but is a reference to the nitrogen modified fuel.

For someone that claims to "FULLY" understand Stan Meyer's science, he doesn't seem to have actually read much of his work.

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• and other non-volatile gasses such as oxygen and nitrogen. The hydrogen gas with the attendant non-volatile gasses in a controlled ratio are fed via a line to a controlled air intake system. The combined hydrogen, non-volatile gasses, and the air after intermixing are fed to a combustion chamber wherein the mixture is ignited. The exhaust gasses of the combustion chamber are returned in a closed loop arrangement to the mixing chamber for the mixture of volatile as the non-combustible gasses.
• [0006] More specifically, the generated hydrogen gas is fed to a gas mixing chamber, wherein the hydrogen gas is inter- mixed with non-combustible gasses. The mixture is fed to a carburator (air intake mixture) system.
• [0007] The gas mixture is'fed through nozzle to chamber in a jet spray. Valve or gate controls the amount of air intake to the jet spray. The gasses combine with the air to form a gas mixture of hydrogen, non-volatile gas, and oxygen. The mixture now combustible, but not volatile, is entered into a combustion chamber"

Meyer defines non-volatile NITROGEN as a non-volatile gas.



He also defines the non-volatile gases as being synonymous with using the term non-combustible gases.



The gases combine with AIR to form a gas mixture of hydrogen, non-volatile gas (NITROGEN) and oxygen. The mixture now combustible, but NOT VOLATILE, is not entered into the combustion chamber.


Plain water gas from the cell is EXTREMELY VOLATILE. That is just the way the so-called HHO gas is. It becomes NON-VOLATILE by blending it with NITROGEN! And THAT is the key to how he ran an engine on water, air and electricity. He wasn't making big amounts of gas. He started off with common flat plated electrolysis cells with pulsed DC. No VIC and all the resonance business. That all came after and is NOT foundational to the real foundation of Stan Meyer's technology. the real foundation is a simple pulsed dc electrolysis cell gas production is diluted with NITROGEN. Without the nitrogen, the water gas is very volatile and is not in the preferred combustible state that is needed for an engine.



So if you see anyone claiming that the resonant circuits of Meyer's to create water gas efficiently is the place to start with Meyer's technology in order to get it to work, they actually just skipped all the foundational steps that Meyer started with and went straight to the resonant circuits without even considering that it was never what made his slow burning flame, the foundation of his work, to begin with.



Nitrogen - Nitrogen - Nitrogen


So now you know, if you already didn't, that when Meyer talks about the thermal energy, THAT is what he is talking about. Making the water gas non-volatile or slow burning.



H20Power denied all of this while claiming to FULLY understand Meyer's science.


Jon Abel claims...


"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist.



"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."


"
It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"


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When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."


"
Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."



"It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."


"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."


"
you will know that resonance is an initial step towards getting a Stan Meyer device to work"


So, there you have it. A few of those who are most dedicated to Stan Meyer are the most aggressive at doing their best to make sure everyone's attention is diverted AWAY from the importance of Nitrogen.



There are MANY documents of Meyer's where he spells out this nitrogen key.

[tutanka]

Air Not Just Nitrogen..

Today I have received an email from Aaron mailing list about the new book based on Meyer works and on nitrogen..
Reading these posts I have decided to reply for to have an clear vision on that.
Meyer do not use just nitrogen but air (oxygen and nitrogen) and do not produce another molecule as ammonia during the process but just an atomic reaction , initially inside engine after inside the wfc injector.
Is important understand that Meyer has found casually (or maybe in contact with others inventors) that an special air treatment can be used as fuel.
From my side, after I made some experiments in this direction and writing two patents, I understand that Stanley Meyer don't has clear completely the right process.

I want open your minds!!

We are born in petrol era and we have been educated to burn gasoline and think that air is only an oxydant.
I can assure that need to be revised this concept because Isn't TRUE!!
I published an my video on http://www.air4gas.com, of course without comments but this just for patent protections, but now the patents are registered.
From my video you see an fantastic transparent flame and is the result of AIR-AS-FUEL technology.. Inside my reactor have put few grams of pellet as electrons donor.
The visible flame from video is air that burn at ambient pressure producing an intense blue plasma flame with more heat >1700°C.
This is not a combustion reaction but an atomic reaction of the air without emissions of alpha,beta and gamma rays and on that is based my first patent.
In my latest experiments I have found also that reactor during the process can produce few volts and an high electrical current .
My second patent is based on that producing heat and electrical current directly from the SUN without an additional fuel.
I start an Conference/Event in Florence from 8-9-10 April 2013 and in June to the Aaron Conference and in these places present the working AIR-AS-FUEL device.

[Aaron]

nitrogen





This is some of Meyer's earlier work.

Anyone who actually has studied Meyer knows these diagrams well and knows this predated the VIC. AND, the original cells were very standard FLAT PLATE electrolysis cells with very simple pulsed DC - no resonance, no VIC, etc...

So, with very, very simple pulsed DC electrolysis with very low tech flat plates, no different than pulsed DC dry cell or wet cells you can get on ebay or elsewhere, you are creating "hho" in the same quantities that Meyer started with.

And you can modify it to suck in ambient air during vacuum so that the hho is diluted so that the NITROGEN - as Meyer spells it out word for word, NITROGEN blended with the hydrogen and oxygen slows down the burn rate.

It turns the volatile HHO into a non-volatile slow burning fuel.

He wasn't making a torch like a Brown's gas welder! All his burners burned like a slow flame at lower temperature. Without the nitrogen to slow down the burn rate, you get nothing but a fast Brown's gas pop that many are familiar with.

This is all BEFORE any resonant circuits, etc... You can read Meyer's own descriptions. The NITROGEN that is heavily saturated in water and comes from the ambient air will slow down the burn rate of the water fuel. That is mixed and THEN it enters the combustion chamber in non-volatile form. He is talking about use in an engine way before he ever got into tube electrodes or resonant circuits. Meaning - creating the fuel for use on an engine was about QUALITY and NOT Quantity. Moot point anyway - this KEY was used way before the resonant circuits.

So anyone trying to convince you that the VIC/WFC setup is the initial step towards replicating Stan Meyer are blowing smoke plain and simple and have never spent much time actually looking at the historical chronology of what Meyer actually did!

There is more than I'm not referencing where Meyer goes into full discussion of nitrogen about 1-2 times PER PARAGRAPH. After those docs were locked in, he removed every reference to Nitrogen and only referred to it as "non-combustible" gases.

Meyer isn't an idiot. There is a lot of investment in those patents. So he did what he could to misdirect everyone's attention away from Nitrogen and to the VIC, etc... So if you want someone to blame, blame Meyer for putting you on the wrong track. But do you blame him? It was his technology - original concept came from the Nazi's and was supposedly taken to Australia and the rest is history.

Apparently, some people have fallen so deeply for Meyer's misdirection away from Nitrogen that they will stoop to any level possible in order to maintain their delusion.

This sequence of events is not my speculation. Look at the early patents, etc... and you will see NITROGEN spelled out over and over and over. Then right after that, you can see he removed all references and only referenced "non-combustible" gas. Any individual who is openly denying this is a misinformation agent and is lying to everyone.

[Solarlab]

Water Fuel Secrets - Test Set and Info

Hi Aaron,

It is good you have collected some information regarding Mr. Stanley Meyer's Waterfuelcell into a book, of sorts, and are offering to the public at large.

However, you may be pushing it a bit should you claim your publication might be an authoritative "WATER FUEL SECRETS" based solely upon moderating the HHO burn with an inert gas [nitrogen].

To your credit I am pleased to see you did offer qualifying statements indicating you have not actually built a working Waterfuelcell system.

Your segmenting Meyer's work chronologically I believe is a very good approach - separate Farady electrolysis from pulsed high voltage dissociation - understanding Meyer's early dissociation from his later perfection of electronic resonance {current limiting}; cell mechanical resonance {atom/molecule collisions via electrode spacing}; and, very importantly, his recognition of the atomic hydrogen state.

Energy levels of hydrogen over that of hydrocarbon fuel for dissociation (and electrolysis) are around 3.5; whereas atomic hydrogen is about 10+. It also appears the "burn rates" of hydrogen are different as well (Meyer and others have published a variety of equivalency chats). This is where the inert gas is required to moderate the burn rate in an effort to mimmic petrol.

As a side note: refer to the Popp engine [Noble Gas Engine] where helium, hydrogen, etc. are used as a fuel by elevating the gas to an atomic state.

Anyway, to assist in your studies of Meyer's techniques here is a link to a Test Set I developed a while back:

HHO Hydroxy Test Setup :: Create the Future Design Contest

Note, in this Test Set, the para/ortho hydrogen states also refer to atomic state.

Good luck to all - the fundamentals are there, Meyer's technology has been proven - commercialization is the final stage.

[Aaron]

Stan Meyer - nitrogen

However, you may be pushing it a bit should you claim your publication might be an authoritative "WATER FUEL SECRETS" based solely upon moderating the HHO burn with an inert gas [nitrogen].

Well, the subtitle is The Key to Stan Meyer's Technology. And, Stan Meyer is very explicit about this. He talks heavily about the thermal energy and about how you can only get it with blending nitrogen into the fuel. This is the genesis of his success and all the circuits and other concepts later were only to make everything more efficient. Those are all secondary to this primary key to the whole thing - slow burning water gas.

I'm not saying this is the master secret for ever water fuel technology there is.

[Aaron]

Nitrogen mixing to slow the burn

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[jonabel1971]

Slow the burn of what, Aaron? Slow the burn of what gases?

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[Aaron]

Stan Meyer & Nitrogen

You are putting the cart before the horse for most (if not all) of your followers - again. I reason I asked, was because I just wanted to see if you would actually say the word hydrogen. You are so against understanding that you need to produce hydrogen 1st - before you slow its burn - that you refuse to see or believe that most of the people on your forum haven't done ANY of it, yet.

That's fine. No more benefit of the doubt. You absolutely are dedicated to lying to people.

First of all, everything I have shown here about Meyer IS producing hydrogen and to insinuate anything different only reveals your inauthentic intentions. This FACT is spelled out throughout this entire thread.

And THEN, that hydrogen and oxygen mixture from the water gas is modified by the nitrogen process.

WAY LATER - came the tubes and resonant circuits. The tube electrodes and resonant circuits are 100% IRRELEVANT to Meyer's discovery or rediscovery of how to make water fuel with a slow burning rate.

You have misled a lot of people into believing the WFC and resonant circuits are the initial step when people can actually get the results without ever knowing what a resonant circuit is.

And, you have denied over and over and over that Meyer never talked about Nitrogen - let's not forget that!

And let's also not forget how you continue to ask, " Slow the burn of what, Aaron? Slow the burn of what gases?" Anyone should be able to see by this kind of comment of yours that you actually have never studied very much of Stan Meyer's work at all since you have denied repeatedly the existence of Meyer's explanations of the role of NITROGEN in this process.

Most manipulators are a bit more slick than you. You are overtly clumsy about your methods and ways and have left a long trail of evidence reveling your ignorance in all of this.

Jon Abel claims...

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist.

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."


you will know that resonance is an initial step towards getting a Stan Meyer device to work"

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No, resonance is NOT the initial step towards getting a Stan Meyer device to work. Very simple NON resonant pulsed DC to flat plates produces exactly what Meyer did INITIALLY and he modified it with NITROGEN to make it slow burning. Any debate from you about this is nothing but manipulation of the facts. You're not proving what you know - you're proving exactly what you don't - that is unconscious incompetence.

[Aaron]

evidence of severe psychosis / split personality disorder?

That's funny, we've never denied anything. Slowing hydrogen's burn can be done with water vapor, or non-conbustible gases, or both.

Plus, you are trying to hide the fact that you don't have a scientific background, by erasing all my threads about your fraudulent education.

Here are your denials:

Jon Abel claims...

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."



You win the fruitcake award - you denied over and over that non-combustible gases is nitrogen and that Meyer never talked about Nitrogen and now you act like you knew all along how to slow the burn of fuel by mixing it with non-combustible gases, which Meyer says is Nitrogen. The only thing slowing the burn of all of this is NITROGEN.

I hope I'm not the only one who can see the games you are playing.

I posted your DENIALS several times. It is not debatable. You denied this many times and now you're acting like you knew it all along!

And about my education? I deleted it in other threads because you're wasting space. I LEFT YOUR POST about that in this thread and responded about my education.

[Aaron]

Brown's gas

Somebody (a good friend of mine) skyped me claiming Brown's Gas is a controlled burn. That is not a slow burning fuel at all and is NOTHING like what Meyer was running his car on. Brown's Gas unmodified with nitrogen dilution/ionization is a TORCH when you have enough production of it and it is under some pressure.

The water fuel without being modified is absolutely incredible as a welding flame for some very interesting applications. I've been a fan of it ever since I found out about it and have bought several of books on it from George Wiseman because I think he has the best info. If you are interested in that kind of application, visit: DIY energy saving methods and devices but please don't confuse that with getting the thermal energy out of the water fuel like what Stan Meyer is talking about. Completely different.

It is fine as a fuel supplement to mix with gas/air in an engine because the reactive oxygen molecules will break the hydrocarbons into smaller molecules increasing the BTU you get from the same amount of fuel. That is where the increase comes from, not from the hydrogen in the "hho".

As a SOLE fuel for an engine, you CAN run an engine on it but you are at a serious net loss because you lose the ability for it to truly combust while it is volatile and only detonates. Tero and others showed this. Filled up a balloon ahead of time and ran an engine until the fuel ran out. You will never use the plain hho like that and expect a gain in energy.

[Kokomoj0]

the reactive oxygen molecules will break the hydrocarbons into smaller molecules increasing the BTU you get from the same amount of fuel. That is where the increase comes from, not from the hydrogen in the "hho".

I came to the same conclusion

[Aaron]

hho "catalyst"

I came to the same conclusion

I think George Wiseman may have to - I recall him saying something like the hho as a supplement just acts as a catalyst. But don't quote me on that.

[cplouffe]

Transmutation

I would think the ambient air / especially nitrogen is important because you are working with transmutation IMO. Moving nitrogen to hydrogen or lower octave more combustible gases using electricity and pressure changes. See Walter Russell.


Also Tesla claimed to ignite nitrogen with HV which was done by manipulating the "nucleus" of the atom using fields. Ala Russell. Russell used conical coils to either oblate or prolate the atom moving it from one element to the other. Just change the current and angles.

[Aaron]

transmutation

I would think the ambient air / especially nitrogen is important because you are working with transmutation IMO. Moving nitrogen to hydrogen or lower octave more combustible gases using electricity and pressure changes. See Walter Russell.


Also Tesla claimed to ignite nitrogen with HV which was done by manipulating the "nucleus" of the atom using fields. Ala Russell. Russell used conical coils to either oblate or prolate the atom moving it from one element to the other. Just change the current and angles.

It's related but is another concept than what Meyer did in my opinion.

You can search Andreyev and AUTOTHERMIA. Turning air into fuel. Tutanka makes reference to someone else with similar theories.

Can oxygen be split into an atom of nitrogen and hydrogen?

I think Lyne's Free Energy Surprise discusses the HV and nitrogen. I don't know anyone that has replicated it through.