Water Fuel Secrets

[ggx9]

I suppose that I am like most people on here wanting to heat and cool my house, run the lights and appliances and also perhaps my car on an affordable device that I may be able to build provided I have good electronic/electrical and fabrication skills and tools and modest financial resources. I don't like $300 electric bills and $250 propane bills, and rising, plus gasoline, to provide these energy needs.
Mike's system and Stan Meyer's seem to be good candidates but sufficient details don't appear to be available yet.
It's been 17 years since your above post where you sounded like you had gained enough knowledge of Stan Meyer's work to give us a detailed workable plan but apparently you haven't published it yet.
What route would you suggest I pursue at this time, Aaron ?

[Aaron]

I never replicated Stan Meyer's work, but have multiple confirmations in addition to what you can read in Meyer's own words (such as what I posted in that blog post) that it was indeed an ammonia-type of fuel, which was made on demand. The WFC in the buggy worked. The injectors never did work. Those are facts the Meyer "experts" online are in denial of.

I made a super efficient jet engine based on the design that Michael John Nunnerley drafted out for me in order to replicate his water fueled jet engine.

I got it so it can run on a small trace of propane and water moisture and that is before I ever got to the synthetic fuel creation part of it and my plasma ignition made it more simple. I was going to use a radio frequencies method but never had properly designed antennae because I didn't know how to do that at the time. I know how to do it now but it will have to wait down the road when I have time and no guarantee it will work.

There are other priorities that I am focusing on and have been for a while but running ICEs on a practical hydrogen fuel is infinitely superior to electric cars in all aspects. Home made ethanol is a great alternative in the meantime until there is a simple, replicable hydrogen or water fuel solutions for the countless millions of engines already in existence.

In my Water Fuel Secrets book/presentation, etc. I have already disclosed what I believe the method of interest is. I really didn't hold back my opinion of any of it.

Experiments need to be done to slow the burn of the "HHO" by diluting it with nitrogen and just about everything needs to revolve around that process. I'd look at Meyer's "Airdation" patent showing the exhaust recycling. Ask yourself - how dose the exhaust cooler double as a spark arrester? I think it was possibly packed with some nickel wool as red hot nickel catalyst can instantly ionize nitrogen and as yourself - what is the mixing valve above the wfc? It's obviously a venturi so the exhaust moving over it can pull a vacuum on the cell for more production for the same electricity while keeping the dozen components of "HHO" separated to prevent them from reacting with each other and the hydrogen is avail to bind with the ionized nitrogen. There's the beginning formation of NH3.

Look at the Xogen patents - it seemed they slowed the burn of the "HHO" for their burners - Patent by Stan Meyer's twin brother - or was there ever a twin to begin with?

Dr. Stiffler used to post here when he was still alive and he showed some experiments that seemed to almost be a bit of a mix of these various methods and he had a slow burning flame from water gas.

That is the most important thing - slow down the burn so you get real thermal combustive energy from the water fuel instead of a relatively cold quick detonation (instead of combustion).

[Aaron]

By the way, my personal priority in all of this process for this topic is to simply get my plasma ignition into production but it's not a priority overall at this time.

[ggx9]

Thank you, Aaron, much food for thought and research.

[straggl3r]

I fully agree with the Ammonia theory. And yep, I've attempted to explain it to the so-called Meyer experts and they all shun the idea.

[Hiwater]

EGR valves that came out on the car engines in around 1975 Ford cars etc. Did exactly that slow the burning process down of the nonleaded fuel.

[Aaron]

I fully agree with the Ammonia theory. And yep, I've attempted to explain it to the so-called Meyer experts and they all shun the idea.

Yeah and Meyer spells it out over and over in his docs that those "experts" are in denial of. It's all posted in this forum with all references, etc.

I'm going to copy my old blog post from emediapress.com here because it is a good compilation of references specifically about the nitrogen importance.

[Aaron]

From: https://emediapress.com/2016/02/07/s...r-fuel-method/

Stan Meyer’s REAL Original Water Fuel Method


About 17 years ago, Lawrence Kennedy introduced me to some video tapes of Stanley Meyer and Roger Billings who were working on water fuel technologies. Lawrence knew both of them because he used to tour on the same lecture circuits.

Some of the videos of Stan Meyer were never seen online for many years after that, but like most people, I was sucked into the whole story about the dielectric separation of water molecules, which means electrostically splitting water without conventional electrolysis.

It made perfect sense and I had suggested some small scale experiments using scaled up versions of John Bedini’s radiant oscillators that output high voltage spikes, which normally charge batteries. The tests were successful as far as proving the point, but have to be taken to another level to be practical. The following image is an example of the output of an oscillator that I built back in about 2000 before most people ever heard of self-oscillating versions of Bedini’s SG circuits. That scope shot is upside down because the high voltage spikes are actually negative.
Radiant Oscillator
It only takes a small search to find that most of the Stan Meyer research online is obsessed with his VIC (voltage intensifier circuits) and resonance in order to create abnormally high amounts of commonly-ducted water gas (HHO). The problem is, this has absolutely nothing to do with what Stan Meyer was originally doing. None of the high voltage water splitting methods were around until much later in his research and its an indisputable fact documented by his own patents and other paperwork.

The other problem is that when this fact is brought up to all the self-proclaimed Stan Meyer experts, they go ballistic, literally.

I believed in this too, but was always open to learning whatever I could that was contrary to my current beliefs – and being teachable is what allowed the right teachers and answers to appear at the right time.

Years ago in Energetic Forum, there were many discussions about Stan Meyer and water fuel in general as well as a handful of people claiming to have figured it all out. But these people who “figured it all out” have one thing in common – they all have a 100% success rate in failing to show anything significant.

This is not to say that someone can’t have something valuable to contribute, but when they go out of their way to slander, defame and threaten others just because something is proposed that is contrary to what they are extremely attached to, it gets a bit ugly. One of these people even threatened my life after I revealed his identify – that is Ed Mitchell.

Here is an example of a video that is claimed to be an amazing amount of HHO production with the VIC type circuits posted by someone that has posted countless misleading claims over the years about what Stan Meyer did.

You can fast forward to 1:10 and in a few seconds, you can hear the production is “very, very fast”. This is Ed Mitchell’s nonsense.

Now, here is a single tube test I did years ago producing more gas than all those tubes above combined using nothing more than a variac with full rectified AC to DC and the ground line has a coil of wire used for current restriction. The tubes are conditioned, which I’ll mention in a moment.

Forward to 0:30 seconds to see it kick on. That is only one of of multiple tubes connected.

As the video says, Meyer didn’t really claim to condition his tubes, but he did post that he was wanting to insulate them with Delrin and other methods to prevent current. In any case, I did find that I was able to get a lot of gas production from a little input but this isn’t even the main point to this post.

Many people tried this but it wasn’t until Ravi, a brilliant engineer who started to post his replications of my work that people took notice. Many people tried to rewrite history about who did what and you can see what Ravi has to say about it himself here:



Ravi WFC Aaron
This is posted simply to maintain the accuracy of the history and to show that Ravi did not learn it from Dave Lawton as is often claimed by others.

If you are interested in my tube conditioning process, you can search my videos on both my channels for the tube videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIh...xwRb5jkEHcn2Tw

and

http://youtube.com/aaronmurakami

Now, in Energetic Forum, Michael J.N. and Tutanka were mentioning the importance of nitrogen and I was completely open to learning what they wanted to share. Michael had built a jet engine that runs on water about 25-30 years ago at this point during at time that Stan Meyer was traveling to the UK. He knew Stan Meyer and Stan admitted to him that his exhaust smelled like ammonia. I have personally met a good handful of people that personally worked and met with Meyer and they all concur that Meyer’s exhaust did indeed smell like ammonia and nitrogen was indeed important to the process of creating a synthetic gas on demand.

[Aaron]

Here is my replication of the jet engine system and I didn’t even get to modifying any of the steam to turn it into syngas yet at the time, but you can see that I was able to bring the propane down to 0 psi on the gauge. The gauge is too big to see how much so it is still running on propane but just traces. I started out with 8 psi before the mods and again, I got that far without even modifying the water vapor, yet:

Meyer did mention that he used “non-combustible gas” to slow down the burn rate of the hydrogen gas in his process so that he can get it to burn more like gasoline. If you have experimented with hydrogen gas, you know it detonates and does not combust so you cannot get the real thermal energy out of it. The Meyer “experts” spreading disinformation online will tell you that nitrogen is not the non-combustible gas, especially Ed Mitchell – he expressed violent opposition to it as evidenced by all his posts in Energetic Forum including threatening my life as I mentioned.

I already knew about the non-combustible gas reference and it was a member named “Rock” who brought it to my attention that Nitrogen was actually spelled out in Meyer’s earlier work so it wasn’t speculation. You can see in Meyer’s earlier work he spelled out Nitrogen and later in his work, he removed the word Nitrogen and only referred to it as a “non-combustible gas”.

Many people applaud hydrogen cars for having water as an exhaust, but that is only showing you evidence that they destroyed almost all of the thermal energy they could have received from the hydrogen had they PREVENTED the formation of the water molecule. That is the key to the Stan Meyer technology.

Let’s look at what Meyer’s patent say:

At this link: http://www.google.com/patents/CA1235669A1 you can see it clearly states, “The flame 25 is sustained in that the NITROGEN gases 16 a xxx n REDUCES THE VELOCITY AND TEMPERATURE OF THE HYDROGEN GAS 14 a xxx n.”

When you dilute the water gas with nitrogen, the ignited hydrogen will bind to nitrogen and create NH3 (ammonia) and that prevents the formation of the water molecule. It also allows the hydrogen to burn slower so that it is more like a slower gasoline combustion instead of a fast hydrogen detonation. Where did Meyer get the idea about controlling the hydrogen burn rate? We’ll get to that later because it is very important – speculation, but when you see it, it may appear overly obvious.

Believe it or not, Ed Mitchell and other self-appointed experts boldly claim that Nitrogen has no part of the Meyer process.

http://www.energeticforum.com/83184-post1499.html

“But the point is the Gas Gun produced thermal explosive energy and did so without Nitrogen gas in the system” – Ed Mitchell

http://www.energeticforum.com/83309-post1506.html

“The gases that are called “ambient air gases” are gases that are dissolved in water at the time when the water is being broken down and are nothing more than trace gases and can be ignored.” – Ed Mitchell

Yes, Meyer did talk about dissolved trace gases and nitrogen. Meyer claimed water had 17% nitrogen, but it is much less. You will see in a bit that Meyer also states that for REALISTIC and PRACTICAL application of the principles that the ambient air is literally from the air because the real amount of usable nitrogen dissolved in the water is UN-REALISTIC & UN-PRACTICAL.

Some of those gases are dissolved in water in quantities much less than what Meyer claimed, but the point is that the ambient air with the NITROGEN used to dilute the water gas to slow its burn rate down was literally from the air. Not only can it not be ignored as the misinformation agents will have you believe, it is the KEY to Meyer’s creation of a synthetic water fuel.


Meyer Ambient Air
Look at the top part of the image, the AMBIENT AIR coming into the system that has the NITROGEN literally comes from the ambient air, which is from the air intake and is common sense and obvious that it is not dissolved gases in water! While Ed Mitchell and others spreading disinformation tell you to ignore nitrogen altogether, it is the VERY key to Stan Meyer’s synthetics fuel on demand. Meyer even uses the term synthetic gas even though the self-appointed “experts” continue to deny this fact.

[Aaron]

http://www.energeticforum.com/65545-post1008.html

“if you care to read SM’s work that Nitrogen is not a player” – Ed Mitchell

http://www.energeticforum.com/83299-post194.html

“I just wanted everyone to see with there own eyes that Meyers systems didn’t have nitrogen in them.” – Ed Mitchell

Here is a YouTube comment by Ed Mitchell

“+Matt McMahon Inventor If you manage to get the Nitrogen theory working you will have done the impossible Matt. As that BS theory the way you all want it to work breaks untold numbers of rules and laws of science. Now do as the good Max as instructed you to do and study or stay out of our way. A lead for you. If you don’t make use of the scientific method on this one you will fail as there is no getting around it as no amount of guessing is going to solve this technology for you.”

“There’s nothing to see here folks – move along!” – that is the method of operation (M.O.) of the disinformation agents who are spreading lies, rumors and myths online doing their best to not let you see what Meyer was saying in his own words. They’re all Meyer experts but they deny the most important things that Meyer said in his own documents.

They jump into the middle of Stan Meyer’s work bypassing everything he did in the beginning and they call that scientific?!

You can see the constant attempts by Ed Mitchell and others in his circle are constantly trying to do what they can to deter you from learning about the Nitrogen key, but here you are with Meyer’s own words and these are just a few of MANY snippets from his documents.

In Meyer’s documents, he defies what he means by non-combustible gases.

1. Nitrogen dissolved in water, which he says is not practical or realistic to use because the amount is too small.

2. Nitrogen from the ambient air, which is 78% of the contents.

3. Recycled exhaust.

Here is a direct excerpt from Meyer’s documents showing you that he was creating a SYNTHETIC GAS and water gas by itself is NOT a synthetic gas. Creating ammonia type fuel by modifying water gas with nitrogen from the air IS a synthetic gas.

Stan Meyer Synthetic Gas
Please download this document:

Controlled Hydrogen Gas Flame CA1235669A1

and

EP0101761B1 – Meyer patent

Look at this image:
1235669 Meyer patent
What you see at the top left is a mixing valve to let in ambient air from the ATMOSPHERE and NOT ambient air gasses dissolved in water as Ed Mitchell claims.

[Aaron]

This is what the patent says about it:

“Natural water such as tap, well, sea or fresh water is an absorber of ambient air. Ambient air in turn contains a substantial amount of nitrogen gas. Water as an absorber of ambient air will entrap seventeen percent (17%) of nitrogen gas; that is natural water absorbs seventeen percent (17%) of nitrogen gas in comparison to its hydro- gen and oxygen gas content. In operation of the hydrogen generator the gases in the water will be released. Therefore, when natural water is used the air will be released together with the hydro- gen and oxygen gases. In the preferred embodiment utilizing tap water, the nitrogen gases 16a — 16n are intermixed with the hydrogen gases 14a — 14n and the oxygen gases 18a— 18n in the chamber 19 of the hydro- gen generator 10. Upon release of the gases via line 24 and nozzle 20 and then port 22 the gas mixture is ignited to provide a flame 25. Flame 25 is sustained in that the nitrogen gases 16a — 16n reduce the burning velocity and temperature of the hydrogen gas 14a — 14n. A realistic and practical manner of further con- trolling the burning velocity and temperature of the hydrogen gases 14a — 14n is by adding non- combustible gases directly to the hydrogen and oxygen gases generated. This is accomplished by inlet 30 to the upper gas chamber 19 of the hydrogen generator. Valve means 35 is adjustable to control the amount of non-combustible gases 16a — 16n added to the gas chamber 19. The nozzle 20 connected to the chamber…”

The FIRST blue highlighted section shows that dissolved nitrogen in water will indeed mix with the freed up hydrogen and oxygen. Meyer is wrong about water containing 17% nitrogen though, it is much less.

The SECOND blue highlighted section shows that Meyer is stating that the nitrogen controls the burn rate of hydrogen.

The THIRD blue highlighted section shows a REALISTIC AND PRACTICAL manner of really controlling the burn rate of hydrogen is by directly mixing the water gases with ambient air from the atmosphere. In this old original patent, he did it by letting air come into the top of the cell, which is certainly NOT traces of nitrogen dissolved in water as the online disinformation is trying to make everyone believe.

Now, just because Meyer started out diluting water gas with Nitrogen, this does not mean that trying to create high amounts of HHO is a bad idea.

This was before Meyer ever went the route of the VIC to try to produce more water gas for the same electricity. You can see the patent doesn’t even use concentric tubes in his cell but flat plates and he has even earlier patents where the electrodes are simply 2 pointed rods with a gap between them submerged in water. Most people are starting their studies with Meyer’s technology with concentric tubes and the VIC completely throwing out the window what the whole point was – to control the burn rate of hydrogen to get the thermal energy out of it so it burns like gasoline (slow) instead of a fast detonation.

I’ve created water gas hundreds of percent beyond Faraday and it is still not enough to run an engine and that was never what Meyer did. It wasn’t about QUANTITY of gas, it was about QUALITY of gas. He also recycled the exhaust back to the intake to condense and build up that supply of ammonia to act as the source of hydrogen. There is no magic here and no natural principles are violated.

As long as you can crack hydrogen from the ammonia and there are many tractors, etc. running on ammonia just fine, then you can continue to use the exhaust as a supplemental fuel source that condenses over time.

If you do want to get more details on this entire process, you can get my Water Fuel Secrets package here: http://waterfuelsecrets.com but honestly, there are enough priceless bit of information above that if you just searched it long enough, you’ll find all the references to see that what I am saying is 100% accurate as far as my claim that this is exactly what Meyer is spelling out in his patents and Nitrogen dilution of the water gas absolutely is indisputably THE KEY to his synthetic fuel on demand that allowed the water gas to burn like gasoline instead of detonating like normal.

I hope you enjoy and appreciate the information shared above. There is more truth about what Meyer did posted above than in most websites on Meyer’s technology combined. I’m not trying to compete with anyone, I just have no tolerance to misinformation when the truth is right there in front of everyone in readily available public domain documents! This is not some discovery unique to me and I have to give credit to those who helped point me in the right direction.

Recently, I have been in touch with someone that has an interest in this water fuel concept and my plasma ignition and during some discussions, he pointed out some very interesting items from someone’s work that goes back before Stan Meyer was born.

He’s getting it all prepared and when I announce it, I will make another blog post here pointing out a few things about that work and why I think it is an absolutely priceless study. When this person pointed out some of this old work, it looked fairly obviously to me that Meyer had studied the same work and that is where he got the ideas about controlling the burn rate, recycling his exhaust and Meyer even mentions in his documents that he could close loop his whole system. It appears to be THE GENESIS of all of Meyer’s work in regards to controlling the burn rate of hydrogen, etc. as it looks like a natural extension of the work of one particular historical individual who is surrounded with mystery, tales and it wouldn’t be complete without a bit of conspiracy!

The good thing is, that person’s original work still survives and some people have working models and I’m looking forward to announcing this soon. The implications of being able to really put this technology on the map is huge. Not enough people know about it but soon, my hope is that you will join me in spreading the word about it far and wide! PLEASE USE THE SHARE BUTTONS BELOW TO SHARE THIS ON FACEBOOK, TWITTER, ETC.

[straggl3r]

Yep. I read through all of those early patents that you referenced in your Water fuel secrets and Stan repeatedly says "NITROGEN" and "SYNTHETIC GAS". Not sure what's so hard for the so-called experts to get about Stan's own words. On top of that, as far as I'm concerned, I will take on-demand NH3 over Hydrogen by it's self any day! Great job on the Water fuel secrets! Totally changed my perspective! FYI: Given Stan's extensive knowledge of Tesla's work, it wouldn't surprise me if Stan used a Rotoverter to make his gas while driving the buggy.

“I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency.”
Nicola Tesla

[Aaron]

"NITROGEN" and "SYNTHETIC GAS". Not sure what's so hard for the so-called experts to get about Stan's own words.

“I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency.”
Nicola Tesla

Exactly.

That's from Tesla's bifilar patent that turns the inductors into capacitors. At certain frequencies, there's basically no back EMF and that winding method can be used to reduce drag with generators. Several of us have done it here.

I experimented with that winding method to look at voltages, etc. when it came to Stan Meyer's VIC - he had 2 chokes and they may or may not have been wound on the bobbin as shown in the diagrams - they could have been wound Tesla bifilar series method where the end of one goes to the beginning of the other. I have those white board drawings somewhere.