How to expose credibility

[jonabel1971]

Here's a little expose', just in case you happen to think Aaron has any credentials at all. This is the distance ed. college that Aaron went to school at. Read all about how much science they teach at Clayton College - and how good the college. The college appears to be closed.

In comparison, I went to the U of M in Duluth for 4 years of Computer Engineering. I also have 2 degrees in Computer Networking and Computer Information Systems from local colleges. I also got a 28 on my ACT in 1988, which was one point short of MENSA - at the time.

Anyway, I so much wish I would have gone to Aaron's college instead :

Clayton College of Natural Health - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would like to know what his motives are for being here, at all.

[Stephen Brown]

Tesla dropped out of university.......Along with Stan Meyer who never finished high school....
What's your point?

[tutanka]

Here's a little expose', just in case you happen to think Aaron has any credentials at all. This is the distance ed. college that Aaron went to school at. Read all about how much science they teach at Clayton College - and how good the college. The college appears to be closed.

In comparison, I went to the U of M in Duluth for 4 years of Computer Engineering. I also have 2 degrees in Computer Networking and Computer Information Systems from local colleges. I also got a 28 on my ACT in 1988, which was one point short of MENSA - at the time.

Anyway, I so much wish I would have gone to Aaron's college instead :

Clayton College of Natural Health - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would like to know what his motives are for being here, at all.

Personally I don't understand you..
Why this attack's to Aaron..
This is free tech forum born for share informations..
In this moment you are some out of thread because seem an personal war with Aaron..
If you are engineer or you are studing on you are more intelligent for cut your anger.
Everyone has their own thinking and rightly so, if Aaron said that even nitrogen is used by Meyer you should replicated as a man of science with the results.
I hope with these words to stop your anger. Regards

[chainmailleman]

Personally I don't understand you..
Why this attack's to Aaron..
This is free tech forum born for share informations..
In this moment you are some out of thread because seem an personal war with Aaron..
If you are engineer or you are studing on you are more intelligent for cut your anger.
Everyone has their own thinking and rightly so, if Aaron said that even nitrogen is used by Meyer you should replicated as a man of science with the results.
I hope with these words to stop your anger. Regards

This forum is slowly being taken over by shills and the GDP (generally dumb public).

I have seen several threads/posts about something significant (my own posting included) only to see that the character of the poster is attacked
and the idea trashed before any real testing/data/anything is done.

This will be one of my last posts on this forum. I have lost too much respect for the majority of the posters on here to give them my ideas, blueprints, videos, etc. for free.

To be honest, if there is some OU/free energy apparatus out there, it's not going to be posted for the world to ridicule it's inventor. There is a reason we are still paying for energy.

[jonabel1971]

You got that right. Very few of these discussioners want hydrogen tech. That's why they responded the way they did. They got sidetracked by Aaron's idea, because it was new and backed by his own line of techno-BS. The moderators are more guilty than the followers.

I could successfully replicate everything on Naudin's site, and they would do the same thing.

I also moved over to Heritics (at least temporarily), but ideally, I will figure out how to start my own discussion group - if it doesn't cost too much for hosting. That way, I will know where the buck stops.

I'm just here to make Aaron's little show just as messy as he made mine. I might be smart, but I'm not above petty revenge.

If this place is truly full of psuedo-scientists who will believe anything spoon-fed, then it won't matter.

If there's enough true analytical thinkers out there, who also care more about our future resources - instead of how much money and EFTs we have, then they they will find their way out too.

Aaron seems to be using his "Spiritual Entrepreneur" label in an attempt to draw more religious people into a scientific discussion. No wonder this place is chaos. The National Science Foundation is 93% atheists, because they follow the scientific method. These people follow there feelings and look for meaning - not results. Yep, too much heartache to see this.

Kindof like the Prometheus movie. As technical as that movie attempts - the travellers weren't scientists - they were religious nuts.

Again, the price of hosting will determine if my discussion comes to fruition, and my entrance criteria - and Signature Rules - will be my own.

*** Note *** One thing existing groups should consider is this:

A VIP area.

Anybody who comes out with promising results from any Tesla, Meyers, Naudin, or other OU machine would be allowed access - kindof an incentive to show other "discussioners" that it is possible.

And you can't just SAY you did. Movies and pictures would be required.

Obviously not the scientific method either, unless witnesses are present at a replication, but getting alot closer.

I think the other 3 discussions should do this. It would give religious people a reason to come besides fighting with scientific people.

Whether followers of Aaron ever go to a new group is not my concern. I mostly stayed away from ALL these groups for 15 months during construction and testing, because I knew what would happen. It looks like the moderator wanted to make it happen anyway. See? No incentive here. He'll publicly kill anything.

You are also right about the ridicule. It won't happen to the guy who finally gets credit, because - by then - everybody in the country will be fed up with the current system. By then, however, we might not all be here. It's a sad thought.

This forum is slowly being taken over by shills and the GDP (generally dumb public).

I have seen several threads/posts about something significant (my own posting included) only to see that the character of the poster is attacked
and the idea trashed before any real testing/data/anything is done.

This will be one of my last posts on this forum. I have lost too much respect for the majority of the posters on here to give them my ideas, blueprints, videos, etc. for free.

To be honest, if there is some OU/free energy apparatus out there, it's not going to be posted for the world to ridicule it's inventor. There is a reason we are still paying for energy.

[jonabel1971]

Stan & Tesla were both VERY religous, true, but they followed their hearts, not other people - like they are showing here.

Tesla dropped out of university.......Along with Stan Meyer who never finished high school....
What's your point?

[jonabel1971]

But really, the point is that even Aaron fell for the pseudo-science they were teaching at his school. They probably revoked his degree, too - if you can call an unaccredited Certificate in Natural Wellness a degree.

Tesla dropped out of university.......Along with Stan Meyer who never finished high school....
What's your point?

[Ein~+ein]

This forum is slowly being taken over by shills and the GDP (generally dumb public).

I have seen several threads/posts about something significant (my own posting included) only to see that the character of the poster is attacked
and the idea trashed before any real testing/data/anything is done.

It's not just the public who's dumb!!! If it weren't for GDElectrical 'Engineers or 'Experts' I wouldn't be here. The fact that even they were incapable of debunking some of the many erroneous FE claims got me curious. I expected substantive criticism just as I did in last fall's presidential debate... but nothing, only personal attacks. It's really up to the GDP to do what the experts are incapable of, or unwilling to do. In the end, it's not the person but the policy that matters. It's the device that should be discussed--either it does what it's claimed to, or not!

Just my 2 cents.

[Aaron]

Jon exposed

But really, the point is that even Aaron fell for the pseudo-science they were teaching at his school. They probably revoked his degree, too - if you can call an unaccredited Certificate in Natural Wellness a degree.

My response to Jon's pathological lies are here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...l-secrets.html

[Allcanadian]

@jonabel1971

Here's a little expose', just in case you happen to think Aaron has any credentials at all. This is the distance ed. college that Aaron went to school at. Read all about how much science they teach at Clayton College - and how good the college. The college appears to be closed.

In comparison, I went to the U of M in Duluth for 4 years of Computer Engineering. I also have 2 degrees in Computer Networking and Computer Information Systems from local colleges. I also got a 28 on my ACT in 1988, which was one point short of MENSA - at the time.

So let me get this straight, are you saying we shouldn't listen to anything Aaron has to say because you do not like where he went to school. I hope you can appreciate how absurd this would be as well as being a complete contradiction to everything MENSA stands for which would be intelligence.

I mean no offence but I find it impossible to believe that anyone one point short of MENSA would offer such a feeble argument and it sounds reminiscent of something one might hear at a playground.

AC

[Allcanadian]

@jonabel1971
My last post was a little critical so I will try to add a little balance to the debate. I would agree with some of your prior posts concerning psuedo-scientists however there are also psuedo-sceptics. These are people who are overly critical of everyone except themselves. As well it is not only here but rampant in main stream science.

The common theme here is that we are all people and subject to all the flaws that being human entails. Just recently a study was published which found 47% of scientists knew colleagues who falsified data to further their career. Now one has to ask the question, how many people do we know who would lie to advance their career?, at best I could count them on one hand. What does this say of their credibility? ... 47%.

I'm just saying before we go pointing fingers and putting people up on pedestals maybe we should get our facts straight.

AC

[chainmailleman]

Perhaps I should reiterate my post.

I have been watching this forum since early 2008.

I joined in 2010 after reading EVERY thread up to that date.

I have a total of 23 posts (as of this posting). When I post something, it's not for small chit chat. I do not need to post my credentials as they mean nothing here.

With this said, I have seen this forum subject to people who have no idea what they are doing and criticize their peers by attacking their character.

Respect is earned, not given.

Please re-read this post again.

[Aaron]

creditiblity, degrees, etc...

Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Ted Turner and countless others are at the top of their respective fields and don't have a piece of paper from any school that says they have credentials in any of it. Not that I necessarily endorse those people, but its the point of course.

Most of the people who have always been the elite in their own fields do not have any college credentials and have been self-taught.

There are people who received honorary degrees at many of the top universities in the world and these people are not awarded them because they actually learned anything at those schools... they had NO credentials, were self-taught and proved that they had made a significant contribution to the field and some schools have awarded them an honorary degree for that field. This itself shows that there is no intrinsic authority in any degree, the REAL credentials are in the works that the person does.

But what makes absolutely no sense to me is that Jon Abel attacks me personally while claiming he is credentialed - with a degree in computers, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Stan Meyer's technology. That's ridiculous. Virtually 100% of everything he uses to back his argument has absolutely NOTHING to do with the point of the argument. He is a master of non-sequiturs.

Anyway, my response to Jon Abel in regards to my education is in the water fuel secrets thread. I have nothing to hide. My bachelors from Clayton IS accredited from the ANMA, the oldest and largest body of naturopathic physicians. MANY MD's - real medical doctors who get certified in naturopathic medicine received their degrees at Clayton. I could care less what Wikipedia, the misinformation machine, says or that some states will not acknowledge a degree from Clayton. Correspondence schooling is absolutely legitimate and has been around for HUNDREDS of years and in relatively recent historical times, MOST lawyers earned their law degrees by CORRESPONDENCE SCHOOLS! That includes Abraham Lincoln and even Colonel Sanders! lol

Jon Abel is distorting the facts trying to make it look like a correspondence school is the same thing as a degree mill. They're not the same thing. Degree mills usually have little to no academic requirements, they literally pump out degrees. I have thousands of hours invested in reading, researching, writing papers and taking hundreds of tests. That includes Biology 101 and all the rest of the foundational requirements that any conventional school offers for the same degrees.

And with the internet, there will be more and more and more distance education - it is already happening. It is the trend.

And I have always openly said my real education came from my hands on work in the field and having many mentors in the medical field who were contemporaries of Linus Pauling, Ewan Cameron and other historical figures who pioneered many areas of natural medicine.

Right now, I could get a JD degree in law from a correspondence school and pass the California Bar, which is known to be more strict than the American Bar! Does that mean it is a degree mill? That's ridiculous. There are MANY schools that offer correspondence programs for law degrees today in the US, UK, etc...

Here - a Wiki resource. For non-disruptive scientific references, Wiki is fine, but for "free energy" technologies, it only ridicules.

"Distance legal education in the United Kingdom is accepted by the Law Society of England and Wales as a qualifying law degree and one of the possible ways to become a solicitor or a barrister."

There have been many surveys taken by employers asking them about the difference in potential employees that have conventional degrees or those that have taken correspondence programs. Surprisingly, the ones with correspondence school degrees win favor and the #1 reason why? Because it shows the person is more self-motivated.

Jon Abel starts this thread about exposing credibility and has destroyed all his credibility about knowing Meyer's work by denying everything that Meyer said that I pointed out. Then he denies he denied anything and acts like he knew it all along.

That's funny, we've never denied anything. Slowing hydrogen's burn can be done with water vapor, or non-conbustible gases, or both.

He stated about a dozen times or more than Meyer NEVER talked about Nitrogen in any of his documents and says that Meyer's reference to non-combustible gases is ARGON!!!??

He followed these points, in this order, to the T!

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer

First, he ridiculed me for daring to bring up anything regarding Nitrogen and Meyer.

Second, when I insisted, he violently opposed it and attacked me.

Third, he claims he never denied anything and goes on about how the burn can be slowed down in many ways as if he already knew about this concept when he didn't!

Now this famous quote by Schopenhauer usually applies to the mentality of people over a long period of time because this kind of thing is slow, but Jon Abel exemplified all three of these points EXACTLY in less than a week, PUBLICLY!

In my entire life, I have never seen someone switch gears on their posture like I have just witnessed.

[Uncle Charlie]

Aaron, do not fret though I can see you proudly stand your ground. I was always a straight A student in grade school only to find college to be a new animal.

I went into university over 30 years ago with the mindset of learning electrical engineering. I was never concerned with grades or what other folks thought. I was only concerned with learning. If learning meant I had to stand on my head or make a lower mark on my test scores or go without sleep or whatever it took, I was willing to do it. If you or anyone reading this can gain the knowledge you seek by taking online courses, then be proud of it. I consider myself to be a life long student in search of knowledge wherever I can find it.

The real problem in life (concerning schooling and knowledge) is when those who have gathered knowledge refuse to pass it on. I think most folks in this forum would give you the highest marks available on that point. You seem to share your knowledge with everyone willing to learn whether they agree with you or not. And...just like any teacher, sometimes you find it necessary to charge a small price for the hard work involved in gathering knowledge and organizing it into an easily referenced media form. Everyone I know has to eat and provide shelter and clothing for themselves and their family. I do not begrudge anyone who works hard to support their family and shares what they have learned but when you combine the two, you are doing a very admirable service to those of us who are still seeking knowledge. If more folks would do this think how much better the world would be. Never forget Tesla was ridiculed into obscurity after he had already given the world so much knowledge as to literally change it's course in history. You are in very good company...lol

[Aaron]

free energy is supposed to be free

Thank you for sharing that and for seeing it for what it is.

I walked completely away from having a normal job with guaranteed income so that I could simply dedicate my life to all of this work. If I gave away all my work for free, I'd be broke and homeless living on the street and would become part of the problem that these very critics claim to want to solve. I really don't believe they have the slightest comprehension of what they are even saying or suggesting.

Those critics have their own normal jobs with guaranteed income and most of what they do with the energy technologies are just their hobbies - they can afford to pay their rent or mortgages without needing to generate income from their work in this field. To expect someone to do the same that has no back up income is delusional and hypocritical. I dare any of them to walk away from their jobs and lets see how how much of their entitlement behavior sticks around. And besides the fact, they continue to intentionally ignore the point that virtually ever compiled package that I sell contains information that I have already posted for free all over the internet.

While they claim to be all for solving the energy "crisis", they're burning gasoline going to their regular jobs doing this stuff as a hobby, while I'm here at my computer being criticized by them and I'm only contributing a fraction of their "carbon footprint". My method of earning a living is actually more conducive to a green environment than theirs but they seem to have all the answers. lol

Unfortunately, the real issue with these critics is psychological - low self esteem generated poverty consciousness. It's typical human nature for certain people to drag others down to the level that they accept for themselves instead of seeing that there is plenty to go around and the very principles of free energy thermodynamics is all about ABUNDANCE & PROSPERITY.

These are universal principles and apply to non-equilibrium thermodynamic "free energy" systems just as much as it applies to our consciousness and mindset in regards to creating a life that is abundant and prosperous.

Suggesting that anyone involved in any kind of entrepreneurial endeavor is some "capitalist pig" in their own words is completely contrary to the principles of "free energy" physics. They don't even know what it means.

All the while that they promote these communist ideas (while claiming to be against communism in America lol), they are supporting FOR PROFIT internet service providers, FOR PROFIT telephone/satellite/cable companies that transmit the information - many being stock traded companies - the epitome of capitalism, FOR PROFIT software companies like Microsoft and FOR PROFIT companies like Apple, IBM, etc... who all made their ability to communicate on the internet possible. They support FOR PROFIT oil companies by driving to their work, etc... the delusion they are suffering under claiming to be against anything for-profit, etc... is laughable - their support of FOR PROFIT companies is greatly responsible for most of the comforts they enjoy in their personal day to day lives such as the internet.

One of them said they thought "free energy" was supposed to be FREE! It's communist propaganda that twisted the meaning of free environmental source potential into an economic term. So they come along and think that anyone's work in this field automatically belongs to them.

This is all proof that the bottom line is that mass hypnosis works.