New Stan Meyer Replication - off topic

[Aaron]

Stan Meyer report

So Aaron, it is great that you look out for the subscribers to this forum. You were very adamant that jonabel was misleading everyone with his videos and information. I look forwards to see what you are going to present us with instead.

You can take it to the bank!

I can probably have it done by the end of this month. That is plenty of time for these misinformation agents to continue to dig themselves a hole deeper and deeper. And that will be plenty of time for me to pull the references. They're for free for everyone to get on their own but I'll charge maybe $7 a copy for the report when I'm done since it will take time out of my busy schedule to do this. That is more than fair.

John's post about Argon - that is a JOKE. 78% of the air is nitrogen and argon is included as 1% trace gases, the rest is oxygen. Nitrogen is the primary non-combustible gas Meyer is referring to and he spells it out explicitly - not implied. The primary molecule Meyer was ionizing is nitrogen - breaking the triple electron bond, the strongest normal molecular bond out of any of the gases. Once that is broke, it is extremely "active" and is highly positively charged and will pull hydrogen and oxygen to it during combustion stronger than any other atom since it's positive charge is much higher. And, it can pull 3 hydrogens to it at +3 charge creating ammonia as a combustion by product. Meyer explained the ammonia smell from the exhaust to my friend when he met with him in the UK back in the early 90's. And the explanation above is why he smelled ammonia.

So anyway, to all these goofballs that claim I've been keeping this all secret from anyone just makes me laugh. As I said, over MONTHS this was all discussed over and over and over and for most people that read it, it went in one ear and out the other. There are handful of people that took it to heart and realized the truth and I'm still in touch with some of them periodically and I'm grateful that it wasn't all for nothing. So all of this WAS disclosed already in this forum so so please don't buy their propaganda about me. They're outright lying, period and I'll prove it very soon.

What you will see between now and then is them going all out doing whatever they can to denounce the nitrogen concept and trying to show I'm some misinformation agent, when in fact, that is who they are.

I've exposed frauds in the past and these clowns will be no exception.

Look forward to this report - you won't be able to miss it.

[jonabel1971]

I guess your credibility depends on who is trying to sell something, me or you. I'm not selling anything. You are a capitalist, demanding $7 for information and more for your silly book. Plenty of others willing to share.

No matter what you THINK you know, you are using it to gleen a few bucks from a few gullible people. I have never asked for donations, sold ideas, or tried to start partnerships to save money.

It is you, sir, that is lying, and it is YOU that has attacked me - many have already seen who drew first blood on the discussions. Everyone knows who has moderator status. You are using that inappropriately. Money motivations and power - I have none. You sir, cannot say that about either situation. The word is credibility.

You can take it to the bank!

I can probably have it done by the end of this month. That is plenty of time for these misinformation agents to continue to dig themselves a hole deeper and deeper. And that will be plenty of time for me to pull the references. They're for free for everyone to get on their own but I'll charge maybe $7 a copy for the report when I'm done since it will take time out of my busy schedule to do this. That is more than fair.

John's post about Argon - that is a JOKE. 78% of the air is nitrogen and argon is included as 1% trace gases, the rest is oxygen. Nitrogen is the primary non-combustible gas Meyer is referring to and he spells it out explicitly - not implied. The primary molecule Meyer was ionizing is nitrogen - breaking the triple electron bond, the strongest normal molecular bond out of any of the gases. Once that is broke, it is extremely "active" and is highly positively charged and will pull hydrogen and oxygen to it during combustion stronger than any other atom since it's positive charge is much higher. And, it can pull 3 hydrogens to it at +3 charge creating ammonia as a combustion by product. Meyer explained the ammonia smell from the exhaust to my friend when he met with him in the UK back in the early 90's. And the explanation above is why he smelled ammonia.

So anyway, to all these goofballs that claim I've been keeping this all secret from anyone just makes me laugh. As I said, over MONTHS this was all discussed over and over and over and for most people that read it, it went in one ear and out the other. There are handful of people that took it to heart and realized the truth and I'm still in touch with some of them periodically and I'm grateful that it wasn't all for nothing. So all of this WAS disclosed already in this forum so so please don't buy their propaganda about me. They're outright lying, period and I'll prove it very soon.

What you will see between now and then is them going all out doing whatever they can to denounce the nitrogen concept and trying to show I'm some misinformation agent, when in fact, that is who they are.

I've exposed frauds in the past and these clowns will be no exception.

Look forward to this report - you won't be able to miss it.

[Aaron]

open source doesn't mean open your head so your brains fall out

I guess your credibility depends on who is trying to sell something, me or you. I'm not selling anything. You are a capitalist, demanding $7 for information and more for your silly book. Plenty of others willing to share.

If you're too lazy to search it out for free - that's your problem, not mine. Read this: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ce-issues.html and get an education on what Open Source means and don't bother me.

Just because so many people are suffering from poverty consciousness and feel entitled to other people's time, I know that is their own psychological issue they have to deal with - leave me out of it.

I have a full time project that I'm taking my time away from to do your work for you since you can't even search it out so I'll present it in a single download that nobody can deny again. Free didn't work, I already tried that so stop repeating this "capitalist" garbage with Hitler's "big lie" method. You can repeat it over and over and over, but only the stooges will believe it. Anyone else with common sense understands I have ALREADY said this is all in this forum and you don't have to pay anything for that. If you don't respect someone's time enough to compensate them for doing something for you that you don't have the time to do are are too lazy to do, then you are part of the problem - not the solution.

All the information I sell I ALREADY put it all out for free for anyone that wants to dig through it on their own time - so they CAN have it free. Or they can pay a small price to save them hundreds or thousands of hours of their time. If you have a problem with that, you might as well join the communists and wait your turn in line while your next meal is being rationed out to you on a cold aluminum plate in the freezing cold in the middle of some dark, depressing inner city. THAT is what your your anti-common sense business attitude will get you.

And, you also probably have a job that pays your bills and this is just a hobby for you. This isn't a hobby for me, I gave up normal work to put this information into as many people's hands as possible and I'm going to be compensated for my time.

Why don't you give up your paycheck and ask your boss for donations depending on what he/she thinks your work is worth. We'll see how long you go until you start begging for money. Give up your normal income stream if you have the guts see how long you survive

ATTN ALL: Anytime John or other stooges blabber on about charging money for info that should be free - please send a simple reminder about this: I ALREADY PUT IT ALL IN THIS FORM FOR FREE FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEND THEIR TIME TO SEARCH IT OUT. Open source is about sharing that info openly - I ALREADY did that. Open source does NOT mean me taking hours out of my time to prepare something for someone too lazy to do it themselves - so they can pay me for my time to give it to them in a simple download.

LINUX is OPEN SOURCE and is FREE - go get all the files and figure it out yourself. OR, you can PAY MONEY at a store to get it all compiled on a nice disk that you can put in your computer without having to figure out what files you need to download.

Amazon.com: linux - Linux & Unix / Operating Systems: Software

Oh geeze, what is that on Amazon? Countless Linux related open source software FOR SALE? Those CAPITALISTS! How dare they! It's open source, they shouldn't be selling it on discs making it convenient for people! What nerve! None of this should be convenient for anyone! We should all be spending as much time as possible! They should make everyone spend time to go online and figure it out from scratch!

Wow, that actually IS the mentality these people have - the proof is in some of the posts right here in this thread from these misinformation agents denouncing Meyer's nitrogen key. And Mr John the anti-capitalist all knowing wizard of what open source means hasn't got a clue.

So, selling the info compiled to save people money has nothing to do with it not being open source! It is respect for someone's time to do it for them just like all those CD's you can get on Amazon for Linux, an open source operating system. Anyone that doesn't realize that I'm not doing anything different has their head you know where.

The countdown is on...

[jonabel1971]

I'm IT, I don't need someone to compile Linux for me.

I don't even know anybody who uses Linux, who doesn't already know how to compile it themselves. More of your assumptions.

Everything you are unwilling to do (without compensation), I have already done. Every dime you have spent on research....I have likely spent a dollar. Wrote a book? I did too - it was about Communism in America. I did my homework. The only thing that is gonna bring Communism to this country is more greed.

None of your capitalistic bull is MY problem, either, including your empty view of "Open Source". I spent 15 months making sure I had a working circuit before spending time putting together a replication for others.

If you don't like that replication, that's fine - but you have shown that you don't respect people, you respect money. YOU ARE ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE KILLING A GOOD IDEA - WITH GREED. I met a number of people similar to you at "conservative NDSU". Greed is what killed that open-sourced project. Greedy professors who thought they could somehow sell a patent that was already open-sourced. Capitalist Conservatives - just like you.

BTW, speaking of communism, I think you need to be shoved into a communist country to see what sharing is all about. Then, when you are starving with YOUR cold, aluminum plate, see how many "poverty conscious" people help you. You have an openly abrasive attitude, and have attempted to hurt people in this discussion (not only myself), and appear to be an ungrateful, miserable bastard.

In fact, you tainted my thread - based on YOUR greed. That makes you more that a capitalist. It makes you a capitalist PIG. So, stay off my thread, you bully.

If you're too lazy to search it out for free - that's your problem, not mine. Read this: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ce-issues.html and get an education on what Open Source means and don't bother me.

Just because so many people are suffering from poverty consciousness and feel entitled to other people's time, I know that is their own psychological issue they have to deal with - leave me out of it.

I have a full time project that I'm taking my time away from to do your work for you since you can't even search it out so I'll present it in a single download that nobody can deny again. Free didn't work, I already tried that so stop repeating this "capitalist" garbage with Hitler's "big lie" method. You can repeat it over and over and over, but only the stooges will believe it. Anyone else with common sense understands I have ALREADY said this is all in this forum and you don't have to pay anything for that. If you don't respect someone's time enough to compensate them for doing something for you that you don't have the time to do are are too lazy to do, then you are part of the problem - not the solution.

All the information I sell I ALREADY put it all out for free for anyone that wants to dig through it on their own time - so they CAN have it free. Or they can pay a small price to save them hundreds or thousands of hours of their time. If you have a problem with that, you might as well join the communists and wait your turn in line while your next meal is being rationed out to you on a cold aluminum plate in the freezing cold in the middle of some dark, depressing inner city. THAT is what your your anti-common sense business attitude will get you.

And, you also probably have a job that pays your bills and this is just a hobby for you. This isn't a hobby for me, I gave up normal work to put this information into as many people's hands as possible and I'm going to be compensated for my time.

Why don't you give up your paycheck and ask your boss for donations depending on what he/she thinks your work is worth. We'll see how long you go until you start begging for money. Give up your normal income stream if you have the guts see how long you survive

ATTN ALL: Anytime John or other stooges blabber on about charging money for info that should be free - please send a simple reminder about this: I ALREADY PUT IT ALL IN THIS FORM FOR FREE FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEND THEIR TIME TO SEARCH IT OUT. Open source is about sharing that info openly - I ALREADY did that. Open source does NOT mean me taking hours out of my time to prepare something for someone too lazy to do it themselves - so they can pay me for my time to give it to them in a simple download.

LINUX is OPEN SOURCE and is FREE - go get all the files and figure it out yourself. OR, you can PAY MONEY at a store to get it all compiled on a nice disk that you can put in your computer without having to figure out what files you need to download.

Amazon.com: linux - Linux & Unix / Operating Systems: Software

Oh geeze, what is that on Amazon? Countless Linux related open source software FOR SALE? Those CAPITALISTS! How dare they! It's open source, they shouldn't be selling it on discs making it convenient for people! What nerve! None of this should be convenient for anyone! We should all be spending as much time as possible! They should make everyone spend time to go online and figure it out from scratch!

Wow, that actually IS the mentality these people have - the proof is in some of the posts right here in this thread from these misinformation agents denouncing Meyer's nitrogen key. And Mr John the anti-capitalist all knowing wizard of what open source means hasn't got a clue.

So, selling the info compiled to save people money has nothing to do with it not being open source! It is respect for someone's time to do it for them just like all those CD's you can get on Amazon for Linux, an open source operating system. Anyone that doesn't realize that I'm not doing anything different has their head you know where.

The countdown is on...

[bussi04]

the basics: who do you listen to?

You can take it to the bank!

I can probably have it done by the end of this month. That is plenty of time for these misinformation agents to continue to dig themselves a hole deeper and deeper. And that will be plenty of time for me to pull the references. They're for free for everyone to get on their own but I'll charge maybe $7 a copy for the report when I'm done since it will take time out of my busy schedule to do this. That is more than fair.

...

Look forward to this report - you won't be able to miss it.

Rule N° 1: Who do you listen to?

do you listen to 1.) a person who writes books describing things how they could be, motivated by pure imagination and to earn money?

or

do you listen to 2.) a person who has made a real life experience and after having become master of that issue by doing it over and over again

and finally decides to pinpoint the relevant steps to give others the chance to do the same?

The major difference between 1.) and 2.) is that 2.) has proven it work before he describes his way of success. He tells a true story.

Stan Meyer did so and Jon also does!

1.) tells a story that is not proven to work but he tries to convince people that it works. It´s not facts, it´s just opinion :-)
That´s a big difference to 2.)

Did Aaron build a Gas Processor breaking up the Nitrogen molecule and did he get the reaction up and running as he wants to describe in his $7 pdf document?

Obviously he didn´t. Maybe within a month he gets up and running a compilation of all the optinions he has bravely spread within the forum for the last few years and what - ?

Then his virtual Nitrogen molecule machine is written down as the warp drive can be controlled and used by star trek navigation officers :-)

Does anybody expect to learn from some Dagobert Duck Comics how to become a billionaire? Good luck!

the only person I know from 2010 who really tried to build a nitrogen based application was tutanka and he didn´t show any results at that time that could be verified by others. I potentially would have done that if he had given away all information needed. But he didn´t and so all interested people waited for his Nitrogen retrofitted car which never showed up at that time ... And Aaron supported and praised him (Alex) all day long ...

So I feel deep respect for those like Jon, who has done lots of practical work giving results and looking for an open minded community possibly giving some further input to enhance that technology. Look at the start of this thread, those open minded people jumped in and then ... it degenerated.

Now I have a clear understanding of Aaron making some good money selling his books and operating this forum. Thanks for his openness to confide that.

Time will write his biography ...

[jonabel1971]

Thanks Bussi04

Thanks Bussi04. Besides the jerk (you know who), is there anybody here who has created their own discussion group website?

[MasterBlaster]

Thanks Bussi04. Besides the jerk (you know who), is there anybody here who has created their own discussion group website?

I am still working on it. I hope to come back to you in a few hours.

[Aaron]

you have been exposed.

I'm IT, I don't need someone to compile Linux for me.

I don't even know anybody who uses Linux, who doesn't already know how to compile it themselves. More of your assumptions.

Everything you are unwilling to do (without compensation), I have already done. Every dime you have spent on research....I have likely spent a dollar. Wrote a book? I did too - it was about Communism in America. I did my homework. The only thing that is gonna bring Communism to this country is more greed.

None of your capitalistic bull is MY problem, either, including your empty view of "Open Source". I spent 15 months making sure I had a working circuit before spending time putting together a replication for others.

If you don't like that replication, that's fine - but you have shown that you don't respect people, you respect money. YOU ARE ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE KILLING A GOOD IDEA - WITH GREED. I met a number of people similar to you at "conservative NDSU". Greed is what killed that open-sourced project. Greedy professors who thought they could somehow sell a patent that was already open-sourced. Capitalist Conservatives - just like you.

BTW, speaking of communism, I think you need to be shoved into a communist country to see what sharing is all about. Then, when you are starving with YOUR cold, aluminum plate, see how many "poverty conscious" people help you. You have an openly abrasive attitude, and have attempted to hurt people in this discussion (not only myself), and appear to be an ungrateful, miserable bastard.

In fact, you tainted my thread - based on YOUR greed. That makes you more that a capitalist. It makes you a capitalist PIG. So, stay off my thread, you bully.

Only a mental midget would think my example is claiming YOU personally need a linux disc compiled. A person with common sense will understand that my example was just that, an example. And anyone with common sense will see that by your response, you are attempting to misdirect someone attention away from the point of the example with your non-sequitur because you are psychologically incapable of dealing with the facts.

I just exposed your fraudulent claims that Meyer never have anything significant to do with Nitrogen today so crow is on the menu, have a nice meal on your cold aluminum plate. That applies to H2oPower and the rest of the frauds. I was going to do this later this month, but it is released today. Now we can all see who is spreading disinformation about Meyer.

You denied the nitrogen connection multiple times just like H2Opower, called me a liar on top of it - by the end of today, thousands of people all over the globe will know the truth. Have a nice day.

[Aaron]

NOT "Stan Meyer replication"

The thread was started by Jon Abel who is working on a specific part of the water fuel system originating from stan meyers. As the discussion goes outside of the res-circuit different opinions are expressed. .

He called this thread "New Stan Meyer replication". Misleading people is unethical. It is NOT a "Stan Meyer replication" at all - if it was John Abel would be driving a water/air powered vehicle.

It is one of many pieces of the Meyer system and if you have 99% of it complete, NONE of it works without the nitrogen/air. You'll never get the thermal energy out of the hydrogen.

It is the SAME key that allows the Oz Nitro Cell to work: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter13.pdf around page 21 in that doc. Vacuum, coil and AIR diluting the water fuel to accomplish the exact same thing. It's a Nazi invention.

[wayne.ct]

Only a mental midget would think my example is claiming YOU personally need a linux disc compiled. A person with common sense will understand that my example was just that, an example.

You are so right, Aaron. I knew right off you meant the reference as an example. I also, like J. know Linux and have built a Linux system "from scratch" so I don't understand his irrational behavior. My vote is with you....

[Aaron]

he knew

You are so right, Aaron. I knew right off you meant the reference as an example. I also, like J. know Linux and have built a Linux system "from scratch" so I don't understand his irrational behavior. My vote is with you....

He knew it was an example and is deliberately pulling that stunt because it destroys his arguments about what open source is about and his laughable claims that I'm some greedy capitalist.

What part of "this is all free here in the forum if you want to take the time to look it up" does he not understand? Is anyone required to purchase this $7 report from me? Obviously anyone can get the info for free on their time or if they want my compilation, they can pay me for my work to put it together in a simple format for anyone that wants it.

[jonabel1971]

Since it is you, Aaron, who have attempted to kill the thread from the very beginning, it is no wonder that you are stealing the same arguments now - that I used from the beginning of the thread.

Aaron, you are somehow, still trying to say this isn't a Stan Meyer Replication, but that the NITROGEN machine somehow IS? Really, Aaron? Is that right, Aaron? Is that what I am reading? You don't have to answer, Aaron, because I know that's what you're saying. You defended the Nitrogen technology website with that very statement on it, "The TRUE Stan Meyer Technology". So, not only do you still not have ANY results, now you are showing how good of a hypocrite you can be. Congratulations, Aaron, for NO RESULTS. Congratulations, boy you deserve it. Not a thing to show. Nadda. Your machine doesn't work, Aaron. That's the definition of a sham.

However, it DOES look like you are getting excuses made for you , though. "Oh, those moderators work so hard ALL day, that they CERTAINLY don't have time to actually moderate. But, I'm sure glad Aaron is there to discredit people. Man, if he wasn't there to keep control of the situation, somebody might actually get credit for getting some work done. "

Take responsibility for your actions, Aaron. It's appears there's a handful of money hungry jackasses who like to hang out here in my discussion...just sitting around the keyboard..... jealous that it wasn't them that achieved resonance. If anyone reading this is doing this type of research for money, then there is no argument who is showing delusion.

Aaron must think that Naudin's circuits are crap, too, then, right? The only difference is Naudin used an automated pulse generator, and I used a manual one, like Lawton. Both Meyer's and Boyce both say that the design of the pulsing circuit doesn't have to be as specific as the coil portion. It's just digital logic. If it generates steady pulse trains that the right frequencies - that's a far cry from a dis-similar circuit.

It's funny, I didn't heard anybody complaining about Naudin's or Lawton's work being called "Meyer replications", and mine is essentially the left 1/2 of Lawton's, and right 1/2 of Naudin's. It's a simplified diagram. So, Aaron, I know you don't quite "get" open-source. Anyone who has read your rantings for money requests understands that.

I give it away, that's what I do - and if you have a problem with that, then it's only YOUR problem. Most others are curious enough to take something from this. Since you have spread obscurity about technology that has existed for 30 years - just to draw attention to your "theories", then you are the problem, Aaron. If that statement confuses you, then you don't see that you are just making up your own ideas. And, if you choose not to see how these circuits are acting the same - then you have no business holding a soldering gun.

Everyone: Aaron and his followers are arguing for the sake of arguing. Luckily, it's easy to see jealousy and distraction.

If Aaron can't grasp the fact that only Meyer's, Naudin's, and Lawton's work were researched and used in my design, then he's apparently worse off than the mental midget he speaks of. Nice analogy though, Aaron....clever.

Only a mental midget would think my example is claiming YOU personally need a linux disc compiled. A person with common sense will understand that my example was just that, an example. And anyone with common sense will see that by your response, you are attempting to misdirect someone attention away from the point of the example with your non-sequitur because you are psychologically incapable of dealing with the facts.

I just exposed your fraudulent claims that Meyer never have anything significant to do with Nitrogen today so crow is on the menu, have a nice meal on your cold aluminum plate. That applies to H2oPower and the rest of the frauds. I was going to do this later this month, but it is released today. Now we can all see who is spreading disinformation about Meyer.

You denied the nitrogen connection multiple times just like H2Opower, called me a liar on top of it - by the end of today, thousands of people all over the globe will know the truth. Have a nice day.

[jonabel1971]

And stay off my thread, Aaron (2nd time).

[jonabel1971]

Chapter 13 is titled "Doubtful Devices". Do you really want to use this document as proof that nitrogen works? Hahahaha!

You are absolutely right, Aaron, misleading people is unethical. So, I went to the thread where you said you were gonna put up your information.

Everyone, I was SOOOO excited to hear Aaron was gonna release ALL this nitrogen information - and prove me wrong - but, I got the thread, and SURPRISE, SURPRISE. Yep, that's right - no information on NITROGEN Technology by Stan Meyer. None shown. None. Not one link. Not one document. Not one experiment. Aaron put a bunch of edited posts in here to try help his debate - and a picture of a new piece of Sci-Fi he is writing, apparently. It could obviously be any book with a cover on it. Aaron, why are you acting so mental?


Everyone: Aaron is also saying that the WFC will never output more than DC electrolysis. Most (if not all of us) have seen Stan's video biography - and it explains that Aaron's statement about the WFC is wrong by at least 300%. Even if Aaron's mythical Nitrogen technology is somehow needed to "improve" the output of a WFC, which has been verified to perform (with no other Meyer's tech attached) at 300% over DC electrolysis, shows another one of Aaron's lies. So, two problems now. Aaron says the WFC cannot beat DC electrolysis (which is wrong), and he wants everybody to go straight to this NITROGEN tech (which is also wrong procedurally - whether it works or not.).

He's asking you all as amateur researchers to put the cart before the horse - and never understand how Stan was making hydrogen. Aaron is either being paid to mislead people, or trying to defraud others so he can secretly grab onto other people's solutions later without looking desperate. Sneaky, sneaky, Aaron, but not really clever. You also re-posted only parts of conversations from this thread - out of context. I have no other explanation for Aaron's actions, other than he is mentally ill with greed.

Maybe he needs food. I'm sure I would famished, too, if I was trying to sell Nitrogen machines. Get a job, Aaron.

He called this thread "New Stan Meyer replication". Misleading people is unethical. It is NOT a "Stan Meyer replication" at all - if it was John Abel would be driving a water/air powered vehicle.

It is one of many pieces of the Meyer system and if you have 99% of it complete, NONE of it works without the nitrogen/air. You'll never get the thermal energy out of the hydrogen.

It is the SAME key that allows the Oz Nitro Cell to work: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter13.pdf around page 21 in that doc. Vacuum, coil and AIR diluting the water fuel to accomplish the exact same thing. It's a Nazi invention.

[jonabel1971]

Hi,

I'm sorry you think it's my responsibility to put up a disclaimer. Distinguishing what or what isn't allowed is the job of the moderators and the site administrators. The title of my thread was more than obvious. A moderator should know better than to be part of the problem.

Aaron just wanted to make a stink that HIS theory wasn't being given a look at. He's only had 13 years to show it to people, and from what it sounds like happened 2 years ago, I am highly suspect if Aaron is here for anything but nefarious reasons. Did he really have to get yanked by the other moderators?

Oh, also, on Scarecrow, when I talk about BIG EGOS, I am talking about a person's attitude to share information. It has nothing to do with whether people talk to me or not - I'll just go talk to someone else, not a problem. "Big Egos" refer to people's response to positive experimental results, really, and if they choose to contribute to the cause, or hinder it, once they are "on to something". There are much higher quality personalities on a number of other sites. In particular, RWGResearch.org gives out everything they can find, and I learned from them that there were POSITIVE reasons that people share. "Big Egos" refer to people who refuse to assist newbies, because they think they won't ever need outside help themselves.

Open-source is not about competition - it's about sharing - regardless of what some may think.

And, don't make excuses for the moderator's actions, and then shift the blame to me. I don't have time for bull. "moving fast" as you say, is not synonymous with abusing and discrediting. That would apply in any venue - not just Groups & Blogs.

As for these other things you are saying....Hmmmm....man-o-man.

First of all, Gary never said anything about "encouraging the people at the Energetic Forum to give feedback." He never said any such thing while I was on the air.

As for the "infancy" you speak of, well....all I can say is this - until you have a working experiment yourself, its a little difficult for me to respect a pot calling a kettle black.

Resonance was achieved in an LRC circuit with water as the resistor on June 20th, 2011, and has been achieved probably 5 times since then, during my own experimentation. Stan is the only person in the world who has a patent for resonant water splitting technology, so yes, I am completely willing to say that it was a Stan Meyer replication. Sorry you don't see it that way.

If you want a peer-reviewed paper to say this type of tech works, go look at this guy's paper : A novel method of hydrogen generation by water electrolysis using an ultra-short-pulse power supply - Springer

See? I won't even ask $7 from you. Go give it to Aaron, he needs it worse than me.

The thread was started by Jon Abel who is working on a specific part of the water fuel system originating from stan meyers. As the discussion goes outside of the res-circuit different opinions are expressed.

A statement that Dry air contains roughly (by volume) 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, for example is not relevant to THE RES_CIRCUIT so preferably it should be placed elsewhere and not be considered intolerable. In that way Jon Abel will not need to address it and has said he prefers not to.

A disclaimer statement about the scope of discussion should be edited into the first post by Jon Abel and he should direct people to read it. In this way an off topic post would eventually be moderated, that a person having intentions of drawing attention away from the interest of the thread to release the information.
Scarecrow could have made the point about the infancy of the project and he encouraged the energetic forum people to give feedback that he mentioned something about people who are too good to talk to you. It is good to know his Press Release can do this. It should be noted that a peer review that happens when a person publishes a paper or came from PESN are suedo-academic in this way.
Stiffler is one example of someone who did PESN and moved around
forum to forum always annoyed at various personalities.

It is sad that people leave for the (heretics)private forums because it is typical of a popular thread to move fast and alot of people will comment. The experienced members are used to this, it is time consuming to keep the discussion on course.