Proof that HHO is a Scam - Aardvark.co.nz/hho_scam.shtml

[Jeff Pearson]

Toyota 22R. The only measurement device was the 10 amp fuse that didn't blow. It BARELY idled and would not rev at all. Engine vacuum was drawing air through the cells. Oh, I did measure the timing with a timing light once I found the spot it liked best. It was at 26 degrees BTDC. The engine was already advanced to 12 degrees before BTDC to compensate for 7000+ foot elevation on gasoline. It was years ago and I knew nothing about this stuff then compared to now. I'm building a house right now, but I will get back to water fuel project.

[stevie1001]

Toyota 22R. The only measurement device was the 10 amp fuse that didn't blow. It BARELY idled and would not rev at all. Engine vacuum was drawing air through the cells. Oh, I did measure the timing with a timing light once I found the spot it liked best. It was at 26 degrees BTDC. The engine was already advanced to 12 degrees before BTDC to compensate for 7000+ foot elevation on gasoline. It was years ago and I knew nothing about this stuff then compared to now. I'm building a house right now, but I will get back to water fuel project.

Thanks dude.
At least that gives some kind of indication. Appreciated.
Building a house is also a nice, time and money consuming project..
How did your cell look like, when it was sucking in also the air?

[Hrothgar]

Why?

a tree hugger

But there's a question we'd like to ask those who are so certain that 'water cars' (with water as the only fuel, and not as an energy carrier via hydrogen) already work and are somehow kept hidden: If some people had that technology, why would cars be the first thing they try to make? That's hard, with huge supply chains and massive capital investments, lots of regulations and red tape, etc. Why not make power plants right next to rivers (or just use tap water) and sell the power? They could start very small (less than 1 megawatt) to show that it works. That would be much more profitable, no? Or even sell the technology to makers of portable electronics, which don't have vested interests in oil and cars.

So why aren't we hearing about 'water power plants' (other than hydro), or 'water powered laptops'? It's always 'water cars', and mostly when gas prices are up. Could it be that it's just a really nice story that strikes the imagination (the image of pouring water in a fuel tank is powerful), the way many urban legends do?

Perhaps some inventors are so fixated on fixing one problem, all other possibilities fall to the wayside.

[Hrothgar]

I see 5 possibilities

[B]Explosion at California water fuel research company kills inventor[/B]

On Thursday afternoon, 28-year-old inventor, Tyson Larson was killed in an explosion that ripped a hole in the roof and blew out the back doors to a Simi Valley building of the family member's company, Realm Industries, which was seeking to develop his water fuel technology.

The explosion was likely a result of an attempt to compress hydroxy gas -- never a good idea. Also, it turns out that two associates of the company were indicted in March for "defrauding 300 investors of $7 million with ploys including a process for creating alternative fuel from water."

To the conspiracy fans, I'll admit there is a possibility here some of those 300, having lost faith in Mr Larson's water fuel promises, may have conspired to set up that 'accidental' explosion.

1. (one sec, putting on tin foil hat) He succeeded and was being set up and taken down.(taking off tin foil hat)

2. He was a scammer and was murdered for it.

3. The explosion was an accident unrelated to experimenting and wasn't a scam.

4. The explosion was an accident unrelated to experimenting and was a scam.

5. The explosion was experiment based thus making him not a scammer.

[Area 51]

You people and your conspiracies, put the tin foil hats away
Every time someone involved in alternative energy dies or gets killed, you automatically assume it is government or an oil company did them in.
In this case, alleged scammed customers.
I don't buy it, dead men don't refund money.
I think it was a case of negligence and stupidity.

[Hrothgar]

not conspiracy

Just a list, it's the lesser mind that excludes possibilities that are unpopular or undesired.

[Ein~+ein]

1. (one sec, putting on tin foil hat) He succeeded and was being set up and taken down.(taking off tin foil hat)

2. He was a scammer and was murdered for it.

3. The explosion was an accident unrelated to experimenting and wasn't a scam.

4. The explosion was an accident unrelated to experimenting and was a scam.

5. The explosion was experiment based thus making him not a scammer.

What about:
6. The accident was related to experimenting and the scam.

Perhaps in preparing a water fuel test car to keep the wolves at bay, Larson installed a pressurized hydrogen tank to discretely supply the bulk of the fuel and was experimenting with it when it exploded. His last words might have been, 'OMG, forgot the timing!!!' as the engine backfired into the pressurized tank. It's debatable though, who's the lesser mind in this 'Far Side' fiasco: the scammer, or the scammees? (coincidentally, the Far Side creator's surname is also Larson)

Just my opinion but it seems the 'water fuel' myth continually needs some pseudoscience to support it whether its glycerine, plasma, nitrohydrogen, ionized air, magic crystals or whatever and judging by thread conversations on this forum there's no consensus as to what works or doesn't. I'm not disputing the benefit these methods may have but the fact remains none are proven efficient enough to require less energy input than what they return. Those claiming otherwise do so for what appears to be successfully suppressed technology, the reason I remain unconvinced.

[jdodson]

I have a question.

Is it even possible to gain energy from a hydrogen system? If you configured a generator to run on hydrogen would it produce enough electricity to produce more hydrogen through electrolysis?

Could a hydrogen / generator system even sustain itself?

thanks

[mercedes 308]

What about:
6. The accident was related to experimenting and the scam.

Perhaps in preparing a water fuel test car to keep the wolves at bay, Larson installed a pressurized hydrogen tank to discretely supply the bulk of the fuel and was experimenting with it when it exploded. His last words might have been, 'OMG, forgot the timing!!!' as the engine backfired into the pressurized tank. It's debatable though, who's the lesser mind in this 'Far Side' fiasco: the scammer, or the scammees? (coincidentally, the Far Side creator's surname is also Larson)

Just my opinion but it seems the 'water fuel' myth continually needs some pseudoscience to support it whether its glycerine, plasma, nitrohydrogen, ionized air, magic crystals or whatever and judging by thread conversations on this forum there's no consensus as to what works or doesn't. I'm not disputing the benefit these methods may have but the fact remains none are proven efficient enough to require less energy input than what they return. Those claiming otherwise do so for what appears to be successfully suppressed technology, the reason I remain unconvinced.

OR
7 It was no accident, he was trying to destroy evidence. And it went wrong?. Who knows