car cell questions

[Wolverine]

Hi everybody my name is Aaron. I'm new to this forum and have enjoyed very much reading your discussions on water fuel technology. I have a few questions to pose.

1:Why has no-one ever preheated the cell water with the engine on vehicle mounted cells?I have a Toyota 4runner that gets terrible had mileage and want tho build a cell.

2:If steam is non conductive therefore no good for high temperature electrolysis why not do it with super heated water?

3: there is discussions on Stanley Meyers tech as the key being premixing h2 with atmosphere before burning isn't that what everyone with a car cell already does what is different about how Stanley did it? Thank you for your time and opinion.

[tutanka]

Hi everybody my name is Aaron. I'm new to this forum and have enjoyed very much reading your discussions on water fuel technology. I have a few questions to pose.

1:Why has no-one ever preheated the cell water with the engine on vehicle mounted cells?I have a Toyota 4runner that gets terrible had mileage and want tho build a cell.

2:If steam is non conductive therefore no good for high temperature electrolysis why not do it with super heated water?

3: there is discussions on Stanley Meyers tech as the key being premixing h2 with atmosphere before burning isn't that what everyone with a car cell already does what is different about how Stanley did it? Thank you for your time and opinion.

Hello.. these are the answers to your questions..

In fact part of heat produced from the engine can be used for pre-heating the brown gas cell and obtain more gas but nothing have created an specific cell including also an heat exchanger, all continue to build inefficient cells, increasing the temperature of electrolyte you increase the gas production.. but don't have sense spent some electrical energy for produce an smaller amount of gas when you can process directly the water.

Is possible the creation of new type of little reactor for produce new syntethic fuel, based every to carbon for obtain the energetic potential, using exaust gas (produced inside), water and an smaller amount of vegetable oil.
Water steam is created inside and not outside and you use exaust gas as CO2/H2O source for obtain the reduction reaction into the reactor but isn't PANTONE GEET because is completely different AND YOU ARE INDEPENDENT FROM AN ENGINE. In fact inside is present an special plasma core for obtain the high temperature (about 900°C), stable in the time, the thermionic effect (from the plasma core) produce an great electron beam and is able to crack immediately the molecules of CO2, WATER and other molecules also. The metal used for the plasma core have also an catalyst function. Here is used no electrical plasma but an chemical plasma (my patent).

About Stanley Meyer there are some threads but all are based on wrongs patent informations. In these days we are start an discussion on another thread that is connected to this question , here you can find http://www.energeticforum.com/water-...ley-meyer.html

[tachyon]

what catalyst?

[tutanka]

what catalyst?

An catalyst that remove oxygen.. there are more ..

[tachyon]

what's the balanced equation for this?

[tutanka]

what's the balanced equation for this?

I can reassume into:

C+CO2=2CO

C+H2O=CO+H2

[Wolverine]

Thank you, you have given me some food for thought with the theory of being able to crack water/air with catalyst metals and vacuum conditions to lower the activation level. For instance guys experimenting with water spark plug plasma devices are going about it in a brute force method that is inefficient. If they ignited water or steam near BDC rather than near TDC of the piston there would be a vacuum condition in the cylinder then take a nickel plated spark plug ignite during intake vacuum stroke hydrogen will burn and the cylinder will rapidly cool sucking the piston up like a flame licker motor. If you have ever watched the videos of Joe brooks inventor of the Joe cell he talks about this affect and I never got how it worked til just now. Think about it you would have everything you need to create the reaction a low pressure vacuum from intake stroke, plasma and metal catalyst from the spark plug. The gas would be generated and ignited the cylinder would rapidly cool sucking the piston up to TDC so a vacuum power stroke instead of a explosive power stroke.

[tutanka]

Thank you, you have given me some food for thought with the theory of being able to crack water/air with catalyst metals and vacuum conditions to lower the activation level. For instance guys experimenting with water spark plug plasma devices are going about it in a brute force method that is inefficient. If they ignited water or steam near BDC rather than near TDC of the piston there would be a vacuum condition in the cylinder then take a nickel plated spark plug ignite during intake vacuum stroke hydrogen will burn and the cylinder will rapidly cool sucking the piston up like a flame licker motor. If you have ever watched the videos of Joe brooks inventor of the Joe cell he talks about this affect and I never got how it worked til just now. Think about it you would have everything you need to create the reaction a low pressure vacuum from intake stroke, plasma and metal catalyst from the spark plug. The gas would be generated and ignited the cylinder would rapidly cool sucking the piston up to TDC so a vacuum power stroke instead of a explosive power stroke.

My personal suggestion is build an external reactor for make gas, in the engine phases you don't have more time for obtain the properly reaction

[Wolverine]

Ok, I guess then the way to go about it would be to have a throttle body kind of like a basic carburetor only with water instead of gas and have electrodes inside to crack the steam in the venturi vacuum of the carburetor. I know the Geet design generates the plasma for free without electrodes but I don't care for how drastically the exhaust system has to be modified or how critical the length of the reactor and rod are in that design. Circuit tuned electrodes can be tuned in amp,volts,and frequency to produce the proper effect much easier than altering the exhaust system.

[tutanka]

Ok, I guess then the way to go about it would be to have a throttle body kind of like a basic carburetor only with water instead of gas and have electrodes inside to crack the steam in the venturi vacuum of the carburetor. I know the Geet design generates the plasma for free without electrodes but I don't care for how drastically the exhaust system has to be modified or how critical the length of the reactor and rod are in that design. Circuit tuned electrodes can be tuned in amp,volts,and frequency to produce the proper effect much easier than altering the exhaust system.

You can make also smaller reactor , the important is the formation of the heat inside. You can use catalyst for or other technology , that don't use electricity, for plasma creation inside. But at the end what you process is the CO2/H2O and you don't make an mini-refinery as Naudin ask on PMC web site page.

[wolf234]

Tutank can be used coper Tubes - a rod of iron and nickel - Heated spiral. I would use kompressor - the negative pressure combustion gases through the bubbler and the oil back into the burner Foreclosure

[Wolverine]

So basically however you go about it whether it be plasma, hilsch Rankin effect, catalyst metals like iron and nickel, or some combination thereof to produce the necessary temperature in the presence of water and co2 more or less atmospheric air itself a fuel is synthesized?

[tutanka]

So basically however you go about it whether it be plasma, hilsch Rankin effect, catalyst metals like iron and nickel, or some combination thereof to produce the necessary temperature in the presence of water and co2 more or less atmospheric air itself a fuel is synthesized?

Simply .. the water is the fuel, oil is the starter of process and the CO2 is the carbon source.. air just the oxygen source for burn oil.

[tachyon]

seriously what catalyst are you using?

[tutanka]

seriously what catalyst are you using?

Simply iron but you can use all catalysts that absorbs oxygen