Aaron's water home generator replication

[jim glinski]

This is started to replicate Aarons home water generator as seen on his YouTube video from soup to nuts if possible .

[jim glinski]

What do we know

In the video we see a standard gas generator most likely from Walmart
Champion 46539 3500 Watt RV Ready Portable Generator with Wireless Remote Start
581.65 dollars ..,and a Holley Lasershot Pro Coil at fifty Buck's allso a
Full featured ignition from MSD that delivers quality at a budget price.
PART# 5520

$161.95 Your Price the rest is in the video on YouTube called the 2015 Spokane windstorm - how to keep the lights on .. Just gathering data here now .any and all input except negative is appreciated

Question ..does it run only on water??
Question...what about the spark plug ..off the shelf or modified ?
Wiring diagram?
Is Aaron available for comment ?
Are there needed mods not shown in the video ?.

[rickoff]

Jim, what is the link to the YouTube video? I saw Aaron's lawnmower video a while back, but don't recall seeing one done with a generator.

By the way, there is a write-up about a generator that runs on water (actually air+cool water mist+HHO), which can be found at page 112 of this downloadable pdf file.

[jim glinski]

Aaron's vid

https://youtu.be/Fh6qzBsEf4M

This looks like it but the date's off .I might have seen a reposting .I think this might be a easy way out of trouble .concerning emergency .off grid living ..wish Aaron would chime in he's not reachable .

[Aaron]

Champion generator

https://youtu.be/Fh6qzBsEf4M

This looks like it but the date's off .I might have seen a reposting .I think this might be a easy way out of trouble .concerning emergency .off grid living ..wish Aaron would chime in he's not reachable .

Hi Jim,

That Champion generator does have the plasma ignition, but it runs on gas. I used it to charge a backup battery bank in my boiler room and it was also running some appliances. At first, I was using the stock ignition with the magneto - I can switch back and forth between the two.

Everytime the refrigerator would kick on, it would kill the generator even though it is rated more than the peak surge of the compressor. This happened one to many times and I got tired of going out to restart the generator and realized I had the plasma ignition on there. I switched to that and it worked 100% of the time - the refrigerator kicked on and as it pulled an extra load on the generator, it kept running as if nothing happened. So that is a practical benefit of the plasma and shows it does indeed release more energy from the same amount of fuel.

It doesn't run on water - I wish it did. My experiments with that generator didn't get there yet. The main issue is that no matter how lean you can get the motor to run, the stock carb jets will still suck the same amount of fuel into the airstream so it sabotages all benefit. When time permits, I need a fully adjustable system so I can actually lean out the fuel as much as I want. Then I can start experimenting with alternative fuels.

[jim glinski]

Thank you for posting this

Aaron thank you for your input .hearing about a generator running on water is like blood in the water for me . I thought you may have got there .it deserves a close look ..after all your work it might not take much to get it over the goal line .. Water would be perfect for energy .available and green as it gets . yes that dead short on refrigerator start up is like the problem that happens in RV's when AC unit's fire up its fixed with a large inverter .and battery's .acting as a buffer against the dead short ..so were just looking at a carb problem ? Do these water plugs last very long ?? Well good hunting and God Aaron . thanks again Jim

[Aaron]

carb and plug

Aaron thank you for your input .hearing about a generator running on water is like blood in the water for me . I thought you may have got there .it deserves a close look ..after all your work it might not take much to get it over the goal line .. Water would be perfect for energy .available and green as it gets . yes that dead short on refrigerator start up is like the problem that happens in RV's when AC unit's fire up its fixed with a large inverter .and battery's .acting as a buffer against the dead short ..so were just looking at a carb problem ? Do these water plugs last very long ?? Well good hunting and God Aaron . thanks again Jim

It is just a carb problem. I'm going to use George Wiseman's carb enhancement on it - will just tap the bowl above the fuel level with a tube and draw a suction on it with a regulator valve - the more vacuum on the bowl, the less fuel will get sucked up through the jet - infinite variability.

The plugs will last quite a while as long as you only use the small capacitance caps in the MSD or CDI units. They need to be non-resistor and will still wear faster than normal, but for $1.50 per plug and a minute to change them, not a big deal to me. And as often as I will need the generator, which is not going to be very often, a plug will last a long time.

[jim glinski]

Aaron's jet engine

If get this right you set up jet engine and used fuel and water mix with the hivoltage plug ?
Then adjusted the fuel down to zip ? If that happens with the generator that's a major up grade.. I doubt I can afford a big new generator but I've seen the big three phase motors used as generators in roto verters and I have several .so Im going to harbour freight for a five HP vertical 4 cycle and use that to hack .then join the two with pulies . I've got a sonic fogger ..cheap ..on eBay .the five horse ..if I can find one ...should be easy to get the key slot cut . this could really be something with out waiting years .I saw another motor running on a water spark plug on you tube ..I think it was water only and very primitive set up . good hunting .

[jim glinski]

Another vid .

Here's another vid with jets closed and motor running .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3NE8P0sPS8

[Aaron]

generator and plasma ignition timing

If get this right you set up jet engine and used fuel and water mix with the hivoltage plug ?
Then adjusted the fuel down to zip ? If that happens with the generator that's a major up grade.. I doubt I can afford a big new generator but I've seen the big three phase motors used as generators in roto verters and I have several .so Im going to harbour freight for a five HP vertical 4 cycle and use that to hack .then join the two with pulies . I've got a sonic fogger ..cheap ..on eBay .the five horse ..if I can find one ...should be easy to get the key slot cut . this could really be something with out waiting years .I saw another motor running on a water spark plug on you tube ..I think it was water only and very primitive set up . good hunting .

Fuel gauge is to high of scale to see what it is using. I need 1/10 of that so I can see 0.1 to 1.0 psi - the needle is touching zero psi but it of course uses a bit.

I'd recommend putting on gears on the generator shaft so it only fires once every two rotations to eliminate wasted spark. If you use hho, you'll want that so it doesn't get detonated before you want it. Plasma Ignition | Plasma Jet Ignition - Page 41 Scorch removed the vid, but if you search online, its a great way to go for the timing.

[jim glinski]

Timing ?

Yaa timing with hho it's 2% Past TDC but I'm seeing before TDC on some of the vids .must be different with water plug .?

[Aaron]

timing

Yaa timing with hho it's 2% Past TDC but I'm seeing before TDC on some of the vids .must be different with water plug .?

My plasma ignition can be close to TDC but it also accelerates the combustion process. Have to find the optimum experimentally. But the main point is to have it spark every 2 rotations. I was going to do it electronically, but there are advantages to timing gears.

[jim glinski]

??

Why two ?? I agree about the adjustable timing after I thought about it .read switch would be to the point .opto for long life.I've been reading about this nitrogen hydrogen mix like it was ammonia ?? Does yours do that ? Or is that a carb setup .? Off topic when I saw the pics of the solenoid motor that the engineer made I thought he was off on the layout. No room for the powered iron shell around the coil and top and bottom ..like Peter l.demonstrated on motor secrets,will that work out like that ..optimally ?

[BroMikey]

Hi Jim,

That Champion generator does have the plasma ignition, but it runs on gas. I used it to charge a backup battery bank in my boiler room and it was also running some appliances. At first, I was using the stock ignition with the magneto - I can switch back and forth between the two.

Everytime the refrigerator would kick on, it would kill the generator even though it is rated more than the peak surge of the compressor. This happened one to many times and I got tired of going out to restart the generator and realized I had the plasma ignition on there. I switched to that and it worked 100% of the time - the refrigerator kicked on and as it pulled an extra load on the generator, it kept running as if nothing happened. So that is a practical benefit of the plasma and shows it does indeed release more energy from the same amount of fuel.

It doesn't run on water - I wish it did. My experiments with that generator didn't get there yet. The main issue is that no matter how lean you can get the motor to run, the stock carb jets will still suck the same amount of fuel into the airstream so it sabotages all benefit. When time permits, I need a fully adjustable system so I can actually lean out the fuel as much as I want. Then I can start experimenting with alternative fuels.

Here is an added circuit for plasma ignition.

[BroMikey]

I think this is what is in the box.