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[ghahai ghato]

H2 from HHO gen....

Hi guys...

Recently, I made a single cell HHO gen that seperates the -ve and +ve rods thus seperating the H2 and o2. It was not as easy as I thought and it took quite a while before I got it hooked up for my test run...
I figured that pumping H2 only would cause my O2 sensor to lean out...
Finally, I took it out for a weekend trip...
The result was kinda interesting since my FC jumped from the usual 16.3km/l to about 18.5km/l... wow...

Now I'm planning to build a bigger and badder H2 gen to see what happens...

[shellback]

Neutral plates?

Have two 871 Detroits on my boat and will move in this direction
I can not make sense of your configuration please let us know what is in each sell to complete the battery.
A 3 sell battery that I remember if my memory serve me well was as follow,
+,N,+,N,+,N, -,-,-,N,+,N.+,N,+.
BUT I never figured out the (N) plates are they bonded and lead to ground?
Absolutely a fine piece of work how many liters do you expect.
Regards
Shellback

[Redmeanie]

Hello people, this is my frist try and replaying in here so I might mess it up.
Been watching and reading on this site a while and thought I would join and share the fun. I read alot that its amps not volts that make HHO. My frist try was S/S welding rod in a water bottles. I have 4 of them but when i put them in parallel I get more gas than in series. So what am I missing. I working on one thats bigger with swich plates made of 304 and should have it going soon as the "goop" dries.
My next one I want to try with S/S mesh wire and rabbit cage wire.Dont know how to get my plans on here but I belive it will help fuel milage as I plan on making it to fit in side the truck frame in a 6" pvc pipe with the fuel line running thur it( heat fuel and pull heat from the water) got the idea from acft and the way they have fuel/oil heaters.I saw a cool one on u tube made of what looked like rabbit wire out of 316 S/s wish I knew where he got the mesh. Love the idea of standing off the O2 sendor, works better than my alum tape over the end of it LOL. Does anyone know where I can get a cheap EGT set up? Thanks for ur time and space :-) I'll keep reading urs and try to post my findings.
The time is past for thinking outside the box, the time has come to get rid of it:-).

I can tell you right off why your welding rod Cells put out more with the "Parallel" setup instead of series. Bottom line is "plate area" in order to benefit from the "Series" Configuration you need adequate Plate Area.

As far as the O2 Extenders ( Spark Plug Non-Foulers) NONE of us have gotten any positive documented results so far. I brought that here enthusiastically but so far those that have tried them have abandoned them and returned to the "Electronic Fuel Mixture Controller" or EFIE Device.
One plus though for them if you have an EFIE or EFMC and get a "check engine" light" because of the After Cat O2 Sensor seeing to much O2 you can install them there, reset the ECU and the Check Engine light should go away.
So they do still serve a purpose.

[Redmeanie]

On Saturday, something quite interesting occurred in the development of HHO production as we know it.

Watch this vid carefully: YouTube - HHO experiement with horizontal stainless mesh cell

Of course the volatility of the output is still in question, but I feel that once the vacuum source has been adjusted down to allow for a higher percentage of HHO in the overall output, the gains will be hard to ignore.

I think this fellow has stumbled across something very promising here.

This is An "Archie Blue" completely.....Not new been around for many many years. Its my favorite type of cell!

[octavian]

water in between the plates/tubes...

in a pulsing cell, such as the one stan meyer made, does all the water in between the cells turn to gas or is there some water that has not been turned to gas still remaining? (before new water comes rushing in that is)

and.. what would happen if you put a puls through an "archie blue" cell?

[rosco1]

This is An "Archie Blue" completely.....Not new been around for many many years. Its my favorite type of cell!

Hi Redmeanie,

I wasn't aware of what the cell type was called.

My excitement stemmed from the fact that the output Craig managed to produce was, to my mind, combustible.

I've seen what the Firestorm plug can do, and think that by combining the two principals, great things could be possible.

[Redmeanie]

in a pulsing cell, such as the one stan meyer made, does all the water in between the cells turn to gas or is there some water that has not been turned to gas still remaining? (before new water comes rushing in that is)

and.. what would happen if you put a puls through an "archie blue" cell?

In a "Stan Meyer" type cell or any other, it takes "Awhile" (Hours to days to weeks depending on design)to deplete the H2O that is in the actual Cell. If you could instantly split all the H2O into H and O, well you would have completely changed the world as we know it!

Actually an "Archie Blue" works awesome with a Pulsed Current. That is the only way to go. Brute force should only be used if you have enough cells in a series or a straight series type cell (Boyce type) to split the Voltage. And even then a Pulsed Current is Preferable for many reasons, even in those types.

And at the cost of a Pulse Width Modulator (PWM) these days, it makes no sense NOT to use one.

[octavian]

In a "Stan Meyer" type cell or any other, it takes "Awhile" (Hours to days to weeks depending on design)to deplete the H2O that is in the actual Cell. If you could instantly split all the H2O into H and O, well you would have completely changed the world as we know it!

Actually an "Archie Blue" works awesome with a Pulsed Current. That is the only way to go. Brute force should only be used if you have enough cells in a series or a straight series type cell (Boyce type) to split the Voltage. And even then a Pulsed Current is Preferable for many reasons, even in those types.

And at the cost of a Pulse Width Modulator (PWM) these days, it makes no sense NOT to use one.

Thanks Redmeanie

[Redmeanie]

Hi Redmeanie,

I wasn't aware of what the cell type was called.

My excitement stemmed from the fact that the output Craig managed to produce was, to my mind, combustible.

I've seen what the Firestorm plug can do, and think that by combining the two principals, great things could be possible.

Pretty much all the gas produced during Electrolysis is Combustible, with the exception of the "Bad Gases" like Chlorine, and the such which can be eliminated with the use of Distilled Water, KOH, and a good Bubbler which can trap allot of the contaminants and somewhat keep their production to a minimum.
The gases produced are Hydrogen (and Variations of H) and Oxygen, which happens to be a VERY Explosive combination. The most important thing is to produce enough of it for a "HHO BOOSTER" and not Produce so much that it's Overkill. That is unless you are looking at trying to run solely on HHO which is not going to happen with "Standard" Booster Cell Designs anyway.

I agree that when, and if Firestorms are made readily available, they will make a "You Shouldn't Have One Without The Other" combination.

[wpage]

Way to go Tarkus

Here are some pics of my current generator, the bolt is to tie the neutral plates together. (empty for cleaning)
The electronic box pulses the MOSFET to the plates. Two small S.S. screws act as a level sensor.
I built in a window washer pump to refill the system from a tank carried in the bed of the truck, found I needed to run it with a solenoid valve to keep it from flooding engine with water.
I observed the cell producing what seemed like a large quantity of HHO as well as quite a bit of foam.
I haven't found reference to foam except with joe cells ???
The PC power supply box works great to house the electronic bits and pieces.
The cap in the photo shows the 2 PCV valves and associated plumbing.

Bigger and better things coalescing on the work bench, will post pics and test data when finished

Tarkus,
Sory bout your Toyo...

This is a neat design you have here!
If you don't mind sharing a few quests...
-How are you dealing with the co2 sensor issue?
-How do you deliver the hydrox to your fuel system?
-Is this a variant of the E cell concept?
Thanks for sharing your information.
WPage

[octavian]

Stan Meyer Circuit

Is the "Stan Meyer Circuit" a linear circuit or is it something else?

[Redmeanie]

Is the "Stan Meyer Circuit" a linear circuit or is it something else?

Im not sure what it is... I have studied and actually tried to build the circuits based off of the original Patents both of Stans and His Brother with absolutely no luck (Most Patents Are Intentionally Missing Things To Prevent Replication). The closest I can come up with of what he was using was maybe a Modified Gated and "Variable" Pulse Width and Frequency Modulator. Something like Boyce's without the Coil. I don't have allot of Hands on experience with Stan's
Splitter other than building a small one and then a larger one. But since so many others were trying to "Crack the Meyer's Code" I decided I would play in the "Booster" Realm for awhile.

Aaron has ALLOT of experience with Stan's set up and has allot of info posted in the "Members Only" Sub Forums

[Redmeanie]

Tarkus,
This is a neat design you have here!
If you don't mind sharing a few quests...
-How are you dealing with the co2 sensor issue?
-How do you deliver the hydrox to your fuel system?
-Is this a variant of the E cell concept?
Thanks for sharing your information.
WPage

Tarkus is out of the LOOP for a week or so on Business, So don't think he is ignoring you!

[octavian]

Im not sure what it is... I have studied and actually tried to build the circuits based off of the original Patents both of Stans and His Brother with absolutely no luck (Most Patents Are Intentionally Missing Things To Prevent Replication). The closest I can come up with of what he was using was maybe a Modified Gated and "Variable" Pulse Width and Frequency Modulator. Something like Boyce's without the Coil. I don't have allot of Hands on experience with Stan's
Splitter other than building a small one and then a larger one. But since so many others were trying to "Crack the Meyer's Code" I decided I would play in the "Booster" Realm for awhile.

Aaron has ALLOT of experience with Stan's set up and has allot of info posted in the "Members Only" Sub Forums

Ok thanks, i will check it out

[wpage]

Tarkus is out of the LOOP for a week or so on Business, So don't think he is ignoring you!

Thanks Red no problems,

I'm putting together my smack booster and looking at the "E cell" as possibly my next project depending on results. So no rush but curious since his coil looks advanced compared to Peter from UK's model...

Regards,

W