All about electrolysers, HHO, joecells ect. :)

[Racer426]

I don't think it is wise to use vinegar as the electrolyte in a plexy glass electrolyzer since acids like to destroy the plexiglass material at its weakest points.


This is how the cover of my joecell looked like when I tried vinegar as an electrolyte. That's why I made the top plate from polycarbonate. I think I will use baking soda or KOH as the electrolyte in my electrolyzer.



Thanks,
Jetijs

I don't think Vinegar was the only cause of the cracks. The threads on Pipe style threaded fittings are tapered. It is very easy to over tighten the fitting which causes great side pressure. By looking at the picture, all the cracks are radiating from the fitting hole.

From what I've read, Baking Soda can cause corrosion on the plates. And when used in an electrolyer, it gradually becomes NaOH anyway.

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
Finally got my stainless steel plates and the setup running.







I did not add enough electrolyte to get a good amp draw from just 12V, so I had to increase the voltage. The production seems very good. I used distilled water and KOH as electrolyte. From my many experiments I found the distilled water with electrolyte to be the best choice if you want to avoid the brown scum (those few brown spots in the pictures are from the previous non stainless steel plates). Also tested the flashback arrestor - it works very well. But you want the bronze wool to be wet in your flashback arrestor, because it can slowly start to burn if not wet. I will add more electrolyte to get this baby work on just 12v. I will keep you informed.
Here is a short video:
YouTube - HHO generator. First tries and tests

Thanks,
Jetijs

[Aaron]

water cell details?

Great demo!

Is that 12.5v and 31.0 amps? Are you able to measure liters per minute coming through that bubbler?

[Jetijs]

Thanks Aaron.
That that is 12.5 Amps at 31V. I would be happy if it were the other way around At this time I do not care about the efficiency, all I want is a HHO torch. My goal is to test the water that recombines from the HHO gas when this gas is burned. It is supposed to have some interesting properties. I will talk about this later if I can verify this.
Thanks

[Aaron]

back flash and wool

The back flash arrestor I put together is virtually identical to yours. Except I can't find very fine bronze wool pads to stuff it with. I did find one local boating store near me that I think might have some... learned about it from sirhoax's youtube vid I believe.

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
Today I added more electrolyte to the cell water to get more amps at lower volts. Also I changed the tubing from electrolyzer to bubbler to thinner one. This way I get more and smaller bubbles instead of fewer and bigger bubbles. This is important if you wish to burn the gas in a torch, because fever bigger bubbles makes the gas flow in sort of impulses rather than a steady flow. This makes the flame stop on every gas "impulse". Now I got a great flame and tested it in burning some stuff. Aluminum cola cans are melting like butter, I can even melt 4mm diameter steel rod with this flame - this is much fun
But I have a question. I am using KOH as the electrolyte. Does the gas contain any KOH or does the KOH remain in the electrolyzer? Can someone clarify this for me? I am not strong in chemistry
Thanks.

[jason]

drilled a whole

Hello,
I have not read the whole thread so maybe this has been addressed. And, You may know something I don't. If you drilled a whole through the plates to help equalize the water/electrolyte solution, I think you would create a short and it would effect your efficiency.
Just a thought.

Jason

[Aaron]

Brown's gas experiment

I am using KOH as the electrolyte. Does the gas contain any KOH or does the KOH remain in the electrolyzer?

It should stay in the water. Just like the normal Brown's Gas Generators, you add the KOH once and when water level is down, you just keep adding water and the KOH re-dissolves in the water from the plates.

Without lighting the gas, put it on your body if you have any aches and pains. If you don't maybe you know someone that does...it is reported to eliminate pain, etc... Bubble the gas in good quality drinking water, then drink the water, supposed to feel better and more energized. Take the same water with the hho bubbled in it and water plants, you are supposed to see increased plant growth with it.

Try to melt a rock...should turn into a liquid puddle...when it hardens, should be very hard with hardness of 9...diamond is 10.

[Aaron]

browns gas experiment again

Try melting a piece of steel and a brick together. Brown's gas can do that and more.

[Jetijs]

Thank you Aaron, those are some good tips
I already tried to melt together a steel rod with a brick and it was possible. The brick surface gets very bright, almost like a sun, when I heat it with this gas. Also you can see how the melted brick surface boils with tinny bubbles. When the brick cools down, its surface is smooth like a glass.
Also thank you for those gas healing tips. I read that this gas, when recombined in water, is in the natural, pure state and maximum energetic state, we could say, that this water is charged, and it is supposed to have healing properties. If you drink it, you should feel energized, just like when you drink an energy drink or coffee, but with no ill side effects Also the neutral plates are supposed to increase the gas energy bu adding some of the radiant/aether to it
I will make a video of burning/melting stuff later

Thank you,
Jetijs

[Jetijs]

Hi all,
Today I did some burning/melting tests. I melted glass till it boiled, I welded the glass to a stone and much more. But you can not melt every stone, because if the stone has pores, the gases in these pores expand so fast in the heat, that the stone explodes. I also made a piece of clay to explode. This was very much fun
Here are some pictures.





The melting area in reality is so bright, that you can not watch it directly without black glasses - almost like sun

[Jetijs]

I had some problems with my torch tip.



the one on the right was that who made the problems. The copper nozzle was soldered to the brass fitting and the problem was that if you cut or melt something for long enough time, the heat from the melting area radiates to the torch tip and heats it till the tin melts and I have a loud bang
To solve this I used a longer and thinner torch tip. Works well, this one has a little smaller hole and this makes a thinner and longer flame

[Jetijs]

Lots of fun

I tried to melt some small rocks today:





On the first picture you can see how the rock looks before and after the melting procedure. I found interesting, that if you operate the torch after it was not used for some time, you can not see the flame on the torch the first minute or so. But the flame IS there. At first I figured that the flame just went out and put the torch near my ear to see if I can hear the gas flow
I will never do this again Burned some hair. After a minute, the flame becomes visible with orange and blue colors
I will make a short video with burning/melting stuff this weekend.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[peper10]

Hi Jet!!!

Happy you got results..
You're craftmanship is WONDERFULL!!!!!!!!
CONGRADULATION AND KEEP WORKING.
Perseverence is the mother of inginity and you prove it..

YOU'RE an inspiration for all of us..
Thanks for sharing..


peper10

[linesrg]

Jetijs,

You asked about adding more KOH, in Patrick Kelly's D9.pdf I think it is it suggests using the water from the bubbler to replenish the electrolyser as the KOH gets washed out there and then replenishing the bubbler with fresh water.

I Know you are a frequesnt poster on this forum so forgive me for not being able to immediately re-collect all you have posted. If you have a reasonably sized rotor based SG or an air coil based solid state version you might like to try driving your electrolyser with it.

I know you are more interested in results right now but you are using brute force electrolysis and an SG is a more efficient driver.

Regards

Richard