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[hhoexclusive]

just reinstalled the cell case in my car this weekend i am able to chop and change my cell units to test different configurations i'm trying a new alternator and some different voltages thru it. its all installed steath now its only a 1000$ car but all the knobs and dials attracted thieves and i've had a hard time using it because i cant park it anywhere. hopefully i can actually find out some mpg figures now i had a baseline of 730kms to one tank 71 litres i'm hoping to double that.

the new cell tubes will be from a new steel supplier that can guarentee they are straight. the will most likely be line bored to ensure they are arrow straight inside and sandblasting the smaller inner tubes as well to help get bubble formation happening. i'm going all out on this cell the one i have is good this new one will be a work of art.

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
Today I tested my custom ignition system. At first, of course, I made some measurements on fuel economy and exhaust temperature using the stock magneto ignition so I can compare the results. A certain amount of fuel was consumed in 53m36s and the exhaust temperature was 375 degree Celsius. Then I attached my custom ignition system with timing at about 30 degree before TDC. The engine run very smooth and stable, much more stable than with my previous ignition system. The same amount of fuel was now consumed in 60m17s. that is 12.5% fuel economy. This time the exhaust temperature was 350 degree and that is about 25 degree less than with the stock ignition. Now I fixed the RPM regulator so I can find the optimum timing for highest RPM's. It was about 40 degree before TDC (Of course if the TCD on the timing wheel is set correct). This gave an even bigger fuel economy - 16.5% and the exhaust temperature went down a little bit more, it was now 340 degree Celsius. Cooler exhaust means better engine efficiency and we can see this by the fuel economy that we get. Now I need to test this using hho booster and water spark circuit.
Thanks.
Jetijs

[hhoexclusive]

been driving my car with full pulsed alternater hho setup for 1 week now and got to say it is looking real promising i have leaned out the mixture almost as far as my carbs will allow (a jet change is on the cards) i have to drive on choke till hho hits engine or it will just stall my cell is in the rear of car so takes 2 or so minutes to purge hho fuel line. i will experiment with ignition timing this week as it has now become obvious i can get away with a few more degrees advanced. awesome.... so far in the one week it has used less gas than the 1500cc run around car i normally drive the boosted car is 2.5 litre!!

[theinventor]

Hv with Electromagnets

If i connect 7 or 21 electromagnets in series together that will be generating voltage by moving 21 magnets pass them increase in voltage or decrease in voltage?

or do I have to connect them in parallel to generate more voltage?

I mean does it make a difference how many electromagnets i connect in series or not?

If i want to increase the voltage do i connect more electromagnets (coils with a iron in the middle) in series together or in parallel?

Or does it not matter because you can have 1 or a thousand elecromagnets and the voltage will still be the same.

the speed of the rotating magnets will be about 2750 rpm.

nothing will be connected to the electromagnets as far as electricity or voltage.

the magnets will just be cutting the line of coils to produce voltage and i was wondering what do i have to do to increase the voltage big time.

do i connect a capacitor at each end of each coil and at the end of all the elecromagents place a hv diode or what to collect the voltage and use it.

by the way the magnetic wheel is set up as north south north south (+ and -) in other words AC.

If this is the wrong place to post this please forgive me. At any rate could ya still help me, i really need a quick response, please.
Thanks for yas help in advance!

[bill57]

bakeing soda

why do you allways talk about adding this to produce h do you know what tis stuff dose to and to your engine think about it you use it to clean the corossin from your battery so what is it doing to your engine it's not cleaning it.""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'

[john29302]

hho cell wave forms

what an excellent cell. good work. i have about 10 cells, all unique designs. i used 6 or 7 cell arrays with 13.7 volts. none were above 6mmw. thats with noah and most were 1/32 an inch, some 1/8 and inch gap and 2.4 volts per gap seems optimum (my power supply is variable and rated at 60 amps) all my cells were with cheap 302 ss and the brand i used were 4 gang blank wall plates. they all have carbon that is not present in home depot blank wall plates, the one gangers. so i learned not all 302 ss is in fact made with specs that match. cheap chinese ss is whatever they pour that day to save money. my cells all spit out huge amounts of brown particles. that contaminates the soup. and hho production drops off over 10 hours of use.
my next attempt will be to filter the soup with a pump and filters, much like an aquarium so that self contamination cant occur and the cheap ss can be purge of the brown particles and then the vacant pores may even aid hho production? i dunno.
waveforms. a stepped voltage. 4 steps. 1.8v to 2.4 volts and then high voltage pulse at the top step.
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that top stair is sposed to be a spike of say 100 volts. just a quick water cracker. i got this idea making love to the wife. just kidding. any ways the frequency should be 42.8 khz. any one think it would work? the circuit is in forest mims scrapbook 2. its a waveform gen that is real easy to build and actually is what stan meyers waveform looked like. but he vaporized water and did a high voltage spark to crack vapor? i dunno. mebbe i can get the cheap ss outta my lab and get on it, its been hard to get the heart to delve into mad science.i have to work and my lab has no heat and is a total mess.

[john29302]

oops

that wave form wont post. it looked like stairs before i posted it. anyways good luck and any feedback wecome. my home depot plates in my smack booster are crystal clear and the soup is too. later

[john29302]

hho is a small additve and results are not seen well until you take a trip. on level land, your torque demand in a 2 ton car levels off and is considered a period of demand for fuel that is lowest and leanest. also, at a rather constant torque demand, and momentum, you have a sweet spot for hho to work. remember rpm's mean the compression stroke is more frquent and behind the piston is momentum and the little poof explosion at each firing by the added hho gas is like a little free ride for compression stroke. remember petrol is such a poor burner that it has to be compressed, and that is just to be 20% efficient. actually an iv drip of water oras fuel additive in intake adds 20% more oomph and a sweet spot is actually found at lower rpm higher torque, like throw car in second, go 40 mph and the diesel effect of water gets phenomenol increases in mpg, provided water is in fuel, and added after rpms and torque are at right demands for additive. the armies knew this about trucks. some planes when climbing, the pilot/mechanic found same sweet spot, it just varies when to do the most good to consider tinkering.

[thedude]

Hi all,
Good thread Jetijs. I'm about to replicate the "stacking" electrolizer design, for lack of a better word. I am in the process of building a 12" x 12" - 5 plate design for use with my dual self oscillating device (based on the bedini self oscillator). I'm expecting my stainless plates any time now. I ordered 304 grade and now really wish i would have gotten 316. oh well.

I'm looking for low amperage HHO production and low driving voltage for the circuit itself with my current device (looking for a device that can convert well from solar or earth battery). I'm always trying to do something different so my equipment is always very experimental. Who knows the next home run could be off the next pitch!

Have you tried any variation of the EEC (electron extraction circuit) to increase gas production even more?

Just found that thread and starting to read. Looks kinda like pieces of the Stan Meyer picture that are missing here.

Also this schematic peeked my interest from a video posted a page or two back. Something to think about.

I'm dying to have a torch running to start welding things that don't normally weld together. :P I just want my torch to run for 12 watts or so.

[Jetijs]

Does some one have an idea what to use as an electrolyte if I want to use my torch to reconbine the hho into "new" water and use it for healing stuff? I mean, I don't want to risk with KOH, even using two bubblers in series. I tried just distilled water on 30cell electrolyser, but even at 300VDC there is just some miliamps of current draw, that is obviously not enough for a torch. Then wired the cell so that there are five 6cell compartments in parallel. This gave an amp draw of 3-4A at 250VDC, but the rectifier and the electrolyzer plates got hot very fast. So what should I use? Citric acid maybe?
Thanks,
Jetijs

[Xack]

Electrolyte?

Jetijs,
You could use tap water. Go to Water for Fuel. Kevin West is making good progress in getting lots of bubbles with no electrolyte. He's trying to duplicate Stan's patents and he's got some significant results using a 555 and MOSFET to pulse the field of a rewired alternator. He's got his own interpretation of Stan's VIC circuit.

his system draws about 800 watts and he's using 3, 5" or 6" ss tubes. The water churns with gas coming off the cells. He's using "spring water".

I think that guy Dankie had a very good point discussing using stainless steel windings in the VIC coil. I went back and watched Stan's videos on Youtube and paid attention to his explanation. I'd missed that point before thinking he was talking about stainless in the tubes. Dankie also included in his posts on "Water sparkplug" thread, references to Stan's patents mentioning the stainless steel coils in the VIC.

Kyle

[Jetijs]

Hi Kyle.
I will never use tap water, because this makes lot of scum to appear in the water as the water is not clean and has some impurities in it, that electricity separates out. I don't want to clean my cell This is not a problem if you use distilled water and electrolyte

[Xack]

Electrolyte?

Jetijs,

Yeah, your right about the scum. I have to clean my test cell due to tests with tap water. YUK.

The point I was making was that I was suprised you'd need electrolyte. I figured you guys had advanced beyond Faraday.

Xack

[toomanymiles@yahoo.com]

Power Inverter and Bridge Rectifier Question?

Hi guys, I have bee scouring the forum for the answer to this question to no avail.

I am a bit confused on how to best stop using brute force (12v 30+amps) and begin using 110v and less amps. What I have learned would be to use a simple power inverter. With that being said. All the power inverters I have seen go from a cig lighter(or hard wire from the battery) to having a plug receptacle or two on the other end. My question is, would I need to modify the receptacle end or do just use 4ga wire with a plug at the end? (so i guess my question is how do i connect the AC end to the (below mentioned) bridge rectifier

The other question is: I have learned then after the power inverter would come a "bridge rectifier". What type, size rating, etc.. do i use, if using a 110v power inverter? (i.e 1000v 25amp) does anyone reccomend a source to find these?

I also intend on using a Dave Lawton style PWM or a Bob Boyce PWM3G. Does anyone have any input to which would be best?

I hope i was able to ask my questions clearly.
Thanks in advance for any input

scott

[rmay635703]

As for a practical use for an HHO torch, has anyone tried to fix cracked windshield glass? I would think this would be a great advance since the traditional methods have so many limitations.

Assuming you could get it dry and warm I would think that it wouldn't shatter.

Thank You For Your Replies, I have enjoyed this thread, I would really like to build an AC powered HHO generator for a welder but think the safety levels need to be improved. There are also so many designs I just don't know where to start.

Has anyone ever tried using the components from an acetylene torch for a proper HHO welder?

Just curious
Ryan