All about electrolysers, HHO, joecells ect. :)

[kumaran]

Hydroxy explode or implode?

Hydroxy explode or implode? Well, it does both (explode and implode). I read about this theory many times from JoeCell and hydroxy, but no proper experiment setup to prove it. I think everybody should do the experiment suggested below to see for yourself which I accidentally noticed during my last flashback arrestor testing.

Use 600mL soft drink bottle as bubbler. Pour water into bubbler until bottle neck. Turn electrolyser power on and let the excess water spill off. Now set fire on torch tip and let the flashback happens until reach bubbler. The explosion cause back pressure to push the water into electrolyser. Now the water level reduced in bubbler and more space between water level and bottle neck. Set fire again and check the impact on soft drink bottle. In my experiment, my electrolyser able to produce about 2LPM hydroxy, the softdrink bottle shrinks after each explosion. Why this happens if hydroxy explodes?

If the electrolyser could not produce much gas, I believe everybody still can simulate explode and implode using 600mL soft drink bottle. Just pour water 3/4 of the bottle and set fire. Happy testing.

[kumaran]

Hi Jetijs,

You can see how the KOH is slowly eating up the brass connectors turning them black. And this black stuff is collecting on the bottom of the cell. That means I need to find a better way to connect the plates together. Everything else seems fine.

Copper or brass less resistance to electricity so no waste of power. If use SS bolt which has more resistance, the bolts gets hot at higher amps. To prevent this from happen, use bigger SS bolts or wider SS plate connectors bridge.

If still want to use copper or brass as connector, try to insulate it with GOOP glue (petroleum based glue) which is KOH resistance.

Also I came to a conclusion that you shouldn't make the bubbler out of plexiglass, because it is hard and brittle. You need a flexible and soft plastic, because this is like slapping water with your hand, the faster you slap, the harder the water gets. The explosion/implosion of HHO gas is very fast and the harder the bubbler walls, the greater the possibility that the whole bubbler will explode rather than only the small cap will fly away.
Thanks,
Jetijs

Why waste time constructing bubbler with plexiglass? Just buy cheap household water filter casing and use as secondary bubbler (electrolyte scrubber). For primary bubbler (safety bubbler) use soft drink bottle will do the trick. Soft drink bottle can with stand explosion and implosion much better than plexiglass.

[Aaron]

explosion vs implosion

Hi Kumaran,

What makes the most sense to me on the explosion and implosion is that the gas explodes and when it instantly turns back into water, that shrinkage of volume creates a vacuum effect (implosion) that quick follows the explosion.

[kumaran]

Hi Kumaran,

What makes the most sense to me on the explosion and implosion is that the gas explodes and when it instantly turns back into water, that shrinkage of volume creates a vacuum effect (implosion) that quick follows the explosion.

Yes, I'm thinking water should be the cause for implosion. Heat(explosion) vs cold(implosion).

[Jetijs]

A small video about using stainless steel wool:
Warning - Flashback Spark Arrestor Steel Wool

[Aaron]

steel wood fire starter

Thanks for the vid.... so stainless steel or bronze and 000 size is fine and not 0000.

I forgot all about steel wool burning...when I was a kid, to start camping fires sometimes, I'd use a D-cell battery and would stretch a brillo pad (steel wood) out and connect it to both sides of the battery...it would short circuit all over and catch fire...to start the camp fire. I haven't thought about that for years!

[Ewhaz]

I was reading through some of the various designs for the electrolysers. One way to stop flash back is simply to use a bubbler. I think they mentioned that you couldn't simply use a mesh screen as in welding equipment because the flame could pass through even small holes, due to the properties of the gas itself. Do be careful though, this is technically the same stuff they use to send space ships into orbit

I was also wondering on how to use this gas to heat the home etc, as it turns out Stan Myer came up with a way to dilute the gas slightly before ignition, lowering the overall burning temperature making it useful for heating/cooking etc. Most stoves and such already have baffles to allow air to mix with the natural gas in order to burn, as most gas needs a certain mix of air to gas to ignite.

[Jetijs]

Just a thought,
we know, that in order to cut iron and steel we need more oxygen in the HHO flame. So why not add a certain amount of hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) to the water? This way we have one extra oxygen atom for the iron to oxidize
What do you think?

[Aaron]

magnetic fields

Ewhaz,

Magnetic fields.

[Ewhaz]

Ewhaz,

Magnetic fields.

I'm sorry, I don't quite get the reference? Magnetic fields for what?

[Aaron]

magnetic fields on gas

"Stan Myer came up with a way to dilute the gas slightly before ignition, lowering the overall burning temperature making it useful for heating/cooking etc"

Magnetic fields on the gas will change how it burns. I learned about this long time ago first reading it about Xogen then seeing that Meyer was too.

[Ewhaz]

Any suggestion on where I should look this up? I'm interested in using the gas, but the high heat makes it unusable for direct application.

[Aaron]

patents

Have you read all the Meyer and Xogen patents?

[kumaran]

A small video about using stainless steel wool:
Warning - Flashback Spark Arrestor Steel Wool

Hi Jetijs,

Thank you. Yes, you are absolutely right. I did test burn the steel wool and to my surprise it starts burning. Then should look for other material like bronze and SS wool to replace steel wool for flashback arrestor.

On past weekend I attached the electrolyser into my test car (Honda Accord 1.8L carburatored). I made 3 test runs.

First with electrolyser off to take base millage readings : 7.74L/100KM
Second test with electrolyser on and gas goes into air intake : 7.09L/100KM
Third test with electrolyser on and gas goes into intake manifold : 6.90L/100KM

From above test, I manage to cut down fuel about 10% without leaning out fuel. On coming weekend, I intend to lean the fuel and inject hydroxy and see how much savings I can get.

I need some advice on method to adjust lean mixture for carburetored car. During engine idling (without hydroxy), should I adjust the fuel to lean until engine starts choking. Do I need to adjust spark timing? How?

[ashtweth]

Hi kumaran , are you a member of Bob's hydroxy group? I know for sure they will have the answer there if no one can answer here.

Ash