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[Lemontree]

Suggestions

Hi!
Perhaps you have leakage somewhere, gas flows out somewhere before it gets to bubbler. Another fault can be that electricity - amperes are running through electrolite and bypass the plates, as an example as smacks booster - where multiple plates are just immersed in water, and electricity flows not only in path between plates but also around them, via electrolyte. Also, it will be nice if you buy some cheap dc ampere meter with shunt on ebay, to measure how much amp draw eats the hho generator.
If gen eats a lot amps, and gets warm, than it seems electricity flows through electrolyte making short around plates. But electricity must flow through plates and only electrolyte layer between plates, not around all water that are inside hho gen!
Also, i highly recomend to use koh and distiled water.
Try different density of koh solution, and watch amps and production.
i had the same problem with my earlier hho gen designs - but new hho gen design, as Kumaran and Jetijs did, newer made any problems, the only thing i was ought to do is just fill it with right % koh solution
So good luck, and share results and efficiency table!

[fuel_defender]

Diesel

Hi Guys,
I have a smacks booster that I have been testing on a lawn mower over the past few months.
I think I am at the point of a vehicle install.
I have a 97 dodge cummins diesel, and I am a little nervouse about putting it in a diesel.

Has anyone had, or know of, any sucsess with this?

Thank you in advance.

Scott.

Ps. Harbor freight has a great deal on amp meters. $4.99

[samregina]

Cummins

Hi Guys,
I have a smacks booster that I have been testing on a lawn mower over the past few months.
I think I am at the point of a vehicle install.
I have a 97 dodge cummins diesel, and I am a little nervouse about putting it in a diesel.

Has anyone had, or know of, any sucsess with this?

Thank you in advance.

Scott.

Ps. Harbor freight has a great deal on amp meters. $4.99

Should be a good match with a diesel - last weekend I put a 1.5 lpm booster on my brother's '96 Dodge diesel pickup. He went from 18 to 25 mpg. We measured his fuel consumption on a 51 mile loop with an 11 mile grade up a 1200ft mountain right in the middle of it. 2.01 gallons over 51 miles, or 25.5 mpg.
We mounted it with some brackets off his right side battery tray, right next to the air cleaner box, and fed the hho in through the fitting for the filter monitor. A very easy install in a relatively cool portion of the engine compartment.

Good luck!

[fuel_defender]

Hi Sam, Thanks for the heads up. I will keep you posted on my results.
Although I think I am only getting around .75 lPM out of my cell.
The meter I have measures in cubic feet fer hour and bounces a lot, so I have to questioning its accuracy.

Scott.

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
Today I attached my electrolyzer to a gas generator to test the fuel economy.
At first I made a basic test using stock ignition system and timings. I used two 300w light bulbs as a load for the generator. I measured the time it took to consume a certain amount of gasoline. In this first test it took 38m54s till the fuel was gone. Then I attached a variable power supply to the generator that would power the electrolyzer. I set the electrolyzer so that it consumed steady 8A at 29V. Of course this is additional load, but the hho boost in the combustion chamber should handle that. This time it took just 35m42s till the fuel was gone. So a bit worse than the first test with no booster. So I did the test again, but now I set the power supply so that the electrolyzer consumes twice as much current - 16A. This time it took even shorter time till the fuel was gone - 33m17s. So it seems that the hho is not capable to handle the load that the power supply is making to the generator. Then I made a final test where I disconnected the power supply from the generator output and plugged it in the wall outlet so that the electrolyzer did not make any additional load to the generator. The only load on the generator now was to two 300w light bulbs. I set the electrolyzer to full power (30V,20A), this makes it output more than 3Lpm. This time the fuel was gone in exactly 40 minutes. That is just about 3% better than the first test.
So what am I doing wrong? I have seen those youtube videos where they power such a gas generator engine on plain hho, but the best thing that I can get is just 3% economy

This is how I attached the hho tube to the air intake:


I am close to lose confidence in the hho booster concept

[hhoexclusive]

Hi all.
Today I attached my electrolyzer to a gas generator to test the fuel economy.
At first I made a basic test using stock ignition system and timings. I used two 300w light bulbs as a load for the generator. I measured the time it took to consume a certain amount of gasoline. In this first test it took 38m54s till the fuel was gone. Then I attached a variable power supply to the generator that would power the electrolyzer. I set the electrolyzer so that it consumed steady 8A at 29V. Of course this is additional load, but the hho boost in the combustion chamber should handle that. This time it took just 35m42s till the fuel was gone. So a bit worse than the first test with no booster. So I did the test again, but now I set the power supply so that the electrolyzer consumes twice as much current - 16A. This time it took even shorter time till the fuel was gone - 33m17s. So it seems that the hho is not capable to handle the load that the power supply is making to the generator. Then I made a final test where I disconnected the power supply from the generator output and plugged it in the wall outlet so that the electrolyzer did not make any additional load to the generator. The only load on the generator now was to two 300w light bulbs. I set the electrolyzer to full power (30V,20A), this makes it output more than 3Lpm. This time the fuel was gone in exactly 40 minutes. That is just about 3% better than the first test.
So what am I doing wrong? I have seen those youtube videos where they power such a gas generator engine on plain hho, but the best thing that I can get is just 3% economy

This is how I attached the hho tube to the air intake:


I am close to lose confidence in the hho booster concept

reduce the size of your inlet lines for the hho it is very easily released to the atmosphere so you need it flowing in under pressure around 5psi size a inlet nozzle so you get that pressure inside your cell. and try using a venturi to get the gas really pulled in by the incoming air. its a bit of work to get gas in but it is worth it. you dont need much more than 6 mm line anymore just seems to dilute the gas imho. i inject mine directly into a vacuum port on the carbs.

[Jetijs]

Thank you hhoexclusive for your suggestion.
Although I do not think that the gas is just released to the atmosphere, because the suction from the air inlet is great enough to suck all the hho in. Also the hho amount is not so great to escape from the suction. Nevertheless I will try to use the vacuum tube from the choke that is just needed for starting the engine. This way it will be certain that no hho leaks into atmosphere.

[Guruji]

HHO Schematic

Hi Jetijs try this schematic it was posted on youtube and says that it produces alot of HHO.
If you try it please tell me the results.

YouTube - Self powering resonant circuit for HHO cell

Thanks and keep up the good work you've done.
Bye.

[Jetijs]

Guys, the problem is not the cell efficiency or the HHO output, the problem is that I can't get a better fuel economy. My cell is about 95% efficient so no problems there.

[Aaron]

increase gas potential

Jetijs,

Have you tried any variation of the EEC (electron extraction circuit) to increase gas production even more?

Also, 1 liter of gas does not mean 1 liter of gas.

The gas can have different potential.

Meaning that 1 liter may have 10 times the explosive power or another liter depending on how it was produced.

[Jetijs]

Aaron, have you got any schematics for the electron extraction circuit? I could try it. And you are right about the gas. If I fill a 2 liter plastic bottle with the gas from my HHO cell and then explode it, the bottle just flies up in the sky with a loud bang, but it does not break and I can use it again. On the other hand, if I fill the same bottle using my friends electrolyzer (the same type series cell), the bottle breaks into small pieces. The only difference is that I am using less KOH as electrolyte than my friend. But it is interesting how the electrolyte concentration affects the gas energy.

[Aaron]

Electron Extraction Circuit

Hi Jetijs,

Here is a thread with the concept:
http://www.energeticforum.com/energy...rcuit-eec.html

[Jetijs]

Ok, thanks
That looks simple and I could use my Tesla switch circuit to do exactly this. But the question is how fast does the gas recombine if there are free electrons? Because it takes time for a transistor to open and close. And that is why I have made my circuit so that as soon as one transistor closes, there is a small pause (about 1-2% duty cycle) to give the transistor enough time to close before the second transistor opens. Because you can not open/close both transistors at the same time, you need to fully close one and only then open the other. My circuit works like this:



So I guess that the higher the frequency, the smaller the "pause" time the better, because there is less time for the gas to recombine. This needs to be tested. Thank you for the idea. Any other ideas or suggestions would be much appreciated

[Aaron]

hypergas

Jetijs,

You can search for references to Hypergas by George Wiseman. Also from the Joe Cell group.

I experienced it one time spontaneously on an early test. When lighting the small bubble with a match, it was NOT like what I had experienced before. It was like an M-80 (giant firecracker) going off.

There is also the concept of pulsing electromagnetic fields onto the gas as it is produce and exiting the cell. That can change burn rate. You may find something there as well.

[kcwired]

Flash back

HI,

I see two things for HHO system safety.
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One: Dip welder tip into a body of water and turn off unit.
Unless that flame exists under water the whole thing should just passively bubble away. (pilot light on the water to use the gas that is emitted as the system winds down.
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Two: Have the off cycle Flush system with Air. (welder and/or Car systems)
This would serve to keep flow pressure positive and dilute the HHO gas.
On "off" cycle of system, you could have a gate (maybe electro magnet) collapse and path the gas to an outside vent. (hopefully no one is smoking near by) maybe combo flush to engine and then vent.
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Charge systems on Prius have a vent for gas generated by the batteries. They throw it away :P. also gas off a regular car battery blows away.

I don't know why these waste gases are not just pushed through a fuel cell and tanked.

I'd love a DIY way to make a HHO Fuel Cell. I could save all my soda cans for a power outage and push gas on demand through home made fuel cell.