Hydrogen boost in Honda Accord by Kumaran

[kumaran]

Hi Redmeanie,

Kumaran, Send me a pic of what you need. I have a huge Asian salvage yard about a mile from my home. I could check and see if they might have it instead of patching it. Do what you have to do now to get it going, but I will help you find something more permanent. Also If you need the factory gasket, give me the info on the car and I will try and get it locally for you, and send it to you. Im assuming you dont have very many parts suppliers there?

Thank you very much for the offer. I think I'm able to handle the situation. The problem is because of poor workmanship on making and modifying carburetor base. Original carburetor was 1.8L spec but previous owner modify the base to fit 1.6L carburetor. Now the modified base is the one gives problem.

Yesterday, I tried to fix the leakage problem by applying gasket glue. Well, I'm able to fix the leakage problem for that area but later I noticed leakage happens at other area. Fuel is leaking from modified carburetor base (weld joints). Hmmm... Looks like I need take out whole carburetor base out and put for inspection and repair. This adds on more work and time required.

[kumaran]

Make new carburetor base

Hi guys,

I've taken out carburetor and its base yesterday and send to automechanic to make new one which should work without giving problem. Not sure how long will it take. Meanwhile, I will focus on making cheap hydroxy series cell. I'm taking photos of the process so later I can publish in internet for everybody to refer.

[kumaran]

8 plates semi series cell

Hi guys,

I just completed building 8 plates semi series cell. I use 6mm gap between cell and each plate has 3mm hole at the bottom. Total plates are 8 to make 7 series cells. I not sure how this cell going to perform after conditioning process. My current 13 plates semi series cell needs 13.5V (double 6 series cell), so 2.25V per cell in order to perform at top efficiency.

For 8 plate true series cell with 3mm gap, practical per cell voltage is around 1.8V to 2V after electrolyte warmed up. For 6mm gap needs around 2.25V. Now I'm using 7 cells so the voltage across series cell end to end should be 15.75V. Can car alternator output enough voltage to get 15.75V across cell? I doubt about it. I can always reduce the number of plates easily with this design. So no issue.

Anyway, I'm going to put the 8 plate series cell for conditioning for a week or two. Most probably on next weekend I should be able to use this series cell in my test car.

[Jetijs]

Nicely done
Looks beautiful

[kumaran]

Pressurised leakage test completed

Hi Jetijs,

Nicely done
Looks beautiful

Thanks you. Yesterday, I did pressurised leakage test. First I submerge the whole cell into bucket of water. Then I use mini tyre inflator electric pump to push air into cell while watching how much PSI could the cell withstand. Minimum PSI range on the pump is 20PSI. After 20PSI reached I turned off power to the pump and check if any leakage from cell. Then increase to 30PSI and again stop for checking. The cell able to withstand up to 40PSI. At about 42PSI then one vinyl strip between end plate and acrylic moved to let go pressuried air. Now I know the maximum pressure this cell can withstand (40PSI) but I try not to go above 10PSI during operation.

Next, how much of electrolyte for this cell? Pour in water until level needed. Later pour back into container to measure amount needed and shows around 0.9L. Next, I reuse back old electrolyte which was used for conditioning in previous 8 plate series cell. I forgot the electrolyte strength (Maybe 10% KOH). Pour in and hooked up 4AH battery charger. Initial amps shows 1A. After 30 minutes shows nearly 2A. The voltage across cell shows 13.19V. 13.19V/7 cells, 1.88V per cell to allow 1A when electrolyte is cold. I dare not leave battery charger hooked to cell overnight for charging unless I parallel connected with 70AH battery. Today, I'm going to test this cell with car alternator output to check the amps with conditioning electrolyte.

Will report as progress.

[kumaran]

Updates

Hi guys,

Step by step on making 8 plates semi series cell here.

[kumaran]

Updates

Hi guys,

I did 3 test runs during weekend and here are the results.

Test 1
Date : 10/05/2008
Alternative method : Fuel vapor, water/methanol vapor & injection and hydroxy.
Note : I use newly built 8 plates semi series cell.

Since the cell never goes through conditioning process, I use lower solution strength and put for test drive. Initial amps shows 5A and power on for a while and just before begin testing the amperage was 10A. At this moment I know the solution was too strong. At the end of the test run (100KM) the current gauge shows 20A and car manage to get 14.8KM per litre. Loss about 6.2%.

Test 2
Date : 11/05/2008
Alternative method : Fuel vapor, water/methanol vapor & injection and hydroxy.
Note : I use newly built 8 plates semi series cell.

In this run I use much lower strength electrolyte solutions and initial amps shows around 2A - 3A. End of the run (100KM) shows about 10A. Fuel top up and car manage to get 16.98KM per litre. Gain of 7.60%.

Test 3
Date : 11/05/2008
Alternative method : Water/methanol vapor

In this run I just use water/methanol vapor and manage 15.64KM per litre. Loss of 0.9%.

Observation
I think the car has different base mileage now. Based on last test run, the car loss instead of gain mileage. The water/methanol vapor shows significant rpm gain during idle so the car should get better mileage. I think I need to do another test run just to get base mileage without using any alternative methods. Hmmm... frustration because of changing base mileage.

[Lemontree]

thanks for sharing your progress!
also i made small test with propane system (my vw passat 2,0i works with gasoline and latter added system with propane/butane) so in service with CO meter in exaust, we tested with (and without) one small hho gen (2x 6cells, draw ~9A) but no sigificant results showed the exaust meter. it seems, the hho didnt get correctly in motor, because this was fast test, so hho flowed thrugh motor air filter, and the way is maybe too long, to get hho correctly in motor

[kumaran]

Hi Lemontree,

thanks for sharing your progress!
also i made small test with propane system (my vw passat 2,0i works with gasoline and latter added system with propane/butane) so in service with CO meter in exaust, we tested with (and without) one small hho gen (2x 6cells, draw ~9A) but no sigificant results showed the exaust meter. it seems, the hho didnt get correctly in motor, because this was fast test, so hho flowed thrugh motor air filter, and the way is maybe too long, to get hho correctly in motor

Thank you for sharing your progress also. During engine idling, you can't gain by using hydroxy. From my experience, the engine rpm drops when power pulled from alternator or battery for hydroxy cell. Hydroxy goes into engine could not compensate the power usage by the cell. I only see the difference during test run on the road. While for other flamable gas like propane, butane, LPG, fuel bubbler gas and etc will show significant increase in rpm during idle.

I have changed my test car from old Honda Accord (1981) to Mercedes 190E (1987). This is because of too many mechanical and electrical problem from Honda Accord. I'm spending more money in repairing instead of focusing on project design.

Lastly, I decided to use my daily car (good condition) and I can see steady progress in my result.

Base mileage : 11.18KM per litre

Test 1 :
With hydroxy runs at 10A - 15A car. Secondary bubbler mixed with methanol. Car gets 12.11KM per litre. 8.34% mileage gain.

Test 2 :
With hydroxy runs at 3.5A - 8A. Secondary bubbler mixed with methanol. Car gets 12.76KM per litre. 14.13% mileage gain.

Test 3 :
With hydroxy runs at 3.5A - 8A. Secondary bubbler mixed with methanol. Water/methanol bubbler vapor goes into single cylinder. Car gets 13.42KM per litre. 20.00% mileage gain.

Test 4 :
With hydroxy runs at 3.5A - 8A. Secondary bubbler mixed with methanol. Water/methanol bubbler vapor goes into four cylinder. Car gets 14.32KM per litre. 28.05% mileage gain.

Still got one more test to go. Water mist injection into air intake. I have bought mist maker yesterday and now thinking on modifying the unit to put for car use. Remind me to update progress from time to time.

[Redmeanie]

Hi Lemontree,



Thank you for sharing your progress also. During engine idling, you can't gain by using hydroxy. From my experience, the engine rpm drops when power pulled from alternator or battery for hydroxy cell. Hydroxy goes into engine could not compensate the power usage by the cell. I only see the difference during test run on the road. While for other flamable gas like propane, butane, LPG, fuel bubbler gas and etc will show significant increase in rpm during idle.

I have changed my test car from old Honda Accord (1981) to Mercedes 190E (1987). This is because of too many mechanical and electrical problem from Honda Accord. I'm spending more money in repairing instead of focusing on project design.

Lastly, I decided to use my daily car (good condition) and I can see steady progress in my result.

Base mileage : 11.18KM per litre

Test 1 :
With hydroxy runs at 10A - 15A car. Secondary bubbler mixed with methanol. Car gets 12.11KM per litre. 8.34% mileage gain.

Test 2 :
With hydroxy runs at 3.5A - 8A. Secondary bubbler mixed with methanol. Car gets 12.76KM per litre. 14.13% mileage gain.

Test 3 :
With hydroxy runs at 3.5A - 8A. Secondary bubbler mixed with methanol. Water/methanol bubbler vapor goes into single cylinder. Car gets 13.42KM per litre. 20.00% mileage gain.

Test 4 :
With hydroxy runs at 3.5A - 8A. Secondary bubbler mixed with methanol. Water/methanol bubbler vapor goes into four cylinder. Car gets 14.32KM per litre. 28.05% mileage gain.

Still got one more test to go. Water mist injection into air intake. I have bought mist maker yesterday and now thinking on modifying the unit to put for car use. Remind me to update progress from time to time.

There you go! I knew the Car Was The Problem.....

Im glad you can finally see some results after all your hard work!

[ghahai ghato]

Yooohohoooo....
Can't wait to see what the mister can do....
Good Luck....

[kumaran]

Hi Redmeanie,

There you go! I knew the Car Was The Problem.....

Im glad you can finally see some results after all your hard work!

Thank you. Well I was very reluctant to change car because:

1. The alternative mode never fully tested.
2. Mercedes 190E is daily use car. Anything goes wrong, I'm stranded and cost money to repair.
3. This particular model (Merc 190E UK model 1987) is fuel injection without O2 sensor. I don't get much info on internet to lean the fuel consumption.
4. Not much room in engine bay to put devices.
5. Most importantly, I bought this test car (Honda Accord) solely for testing purpose. I don't mind if the car explode during the test as long as nothing happen to driver. Hehehe...

Anyway, I never be able to lean the fuel for Merc 190E. Somebody from other forum recommended to tweak Warm Up Regulator (WUR) to lean fuel (alternative method). The car still running with factory default fuel settings. Only changes I made was idling fuel mixture to read 2.0 CO at exhaust (previous was 3.0).

I check aquarium shop just now and found cheap mist maker (USD 7.80). It's made from China. The problem right now is this mist maker runs at 24VAC. It comes with adapter 230VAC/24VAC (24watt). Car battery is 12VDC. First I taught of making simple inverter to convert 12VDC to 24VAC but I can't find suitable transformer 12V/24V (36VA). So I'm thinking of buying 100watt inverter. Yes, there going to be power wastage due to power conversion. From 12DC up to 230VAC -> 230VAC down to 24VAC.

Advantage of buying 100watt inverter, in case I need to add more mist maker, I can make use of this single inverter to run at least 3 mist maker in parallel. The inverter cost USD 43.50.

I'm setting my target at 40% increase in mileage because our government just cut down the subsidy. The fuel price increased to 40.6%.

[Redmeanie]

Hi Redmeanie,



Thank you. Well I was very reluctant to change car because:

1. The alternative mode never fully tested.
2. Mercedes 190E is daily use car. Anything goes wrong, I'm stranded and cost money to repair.
3. This particular model (Merc 190E UK model 1987) is fuel injection without O2 sensor. I don't get much info on internet to lean the fuel consumption.
4. Not much room in engine bay to put devices.
5. Most importantly, I bought this test car (Honda Accord) solely for testing purpose. I don't mind if the car explode during the test as long as nothing happen to driver. Hehehe...

Anyway, I never be able to lean the fuel for Merc 190E. Somebody from other forum recommended to tweak Warm Up Regulator (WUR) to lean fuel (alternative method). The car still running with factory default fuel settings. Only changes I made was idling fuel mixture to read 2.0 CO at exhaust (previous was 3.0).

I check aquarium shop just now and found cheap mist maker (USD 7.80). It's made from China. The problem right now is this mist maker runs at 24VAC. It comes with adapter 230VAC/24VAC (24watt). Car battery is 12VDC. First I taught of making simple inverter to convert 12VDC to 24VAC but I can't find suitable transformer 12V/24V (36VA). So I'm thinking of buying 100watt inverter. Yes, there going to be power wastage due to power conversion. From 12DC up to 230VAC -> 230VAC down to 24VAC.

Advantage of buying 100watt inverter, in case I need to add more mist maker, I can make use of this single inverter to run at least 3 mist maker in parallel. The inverter cost USD 43.50.

I'm setting my target at 40% increase in mileage because our government just cut down the subsidy. The fuel price increased to 40.6%.

Good,
This is an older "Mechanical Fuel Injection" Vehicle. I believe the adjustment you made should alter all ranges correct? Even though it is called The "Idle Control" I believe it is the same as the Needle Valve on a Carbed Vehicle. I know some Mechanics call that the Idle Control Too....

Have you tried the Mister Nozzles for cooling a Patio Area? That is what allot of the guys here use for their water injection systems. If you can't get them let me know and I will send you a couple.

I feel you on the Fuel. I live 10 Minutes from where 80% of the imported Oil is turned into Fuel and our cost here has went up from $2.79 last year at this time to $4.00 a gallon now, and it doesn't look like it is going to ever stop!

So our work now is more important than ever!

[Jetijs]

Just wanted to say - good work, kumaran
This is encouraging

[wpage]

Bravo Kumaran

Kuma,
Great work! Question how are you routing the hydrox into the intake...
-B4 the filter
-After the air filter

Any pics of how it tubes in.

Thanks for sharing
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