Hydrogen boost in Honda Accord by Kumaran

[kumaran]

Hi guys,

I have been posting some of my experiment results in other peoples threads. Now, I create new topic to discuss and report testing results based on my experiment with hydroxy and Honda Accord 1.8L (1981 model).

So far I made few test run before and after car repair (engine oil leakage problem). I'm going to report test results after the repair.

Base millage reading taken without hydroxy
Distance : 100KM
Average speed : 100KM per hour
Fuel consumption : 6.34L/100KM (0% savings)

I use 13 plates semi series cell (3mm hole at bottom of each plate) to generate hydroxy which runs above 90% efficiency. The gas goes in to vacuum manifold at carburetor.

Leaning fuel done as below:

1. Start the engine and let it run a while to warm up.
2. Engine speed reaches 1000 rpm (idle speed).
3. Turn on the electrolyser without injecting hydroxy into engine. Engine speed reduced slightly lower than 1000 rpm.
4. Start to turn fuel knob clock wise until engine starts jerking (almost fully closed). Engine speed drop to 750 rpm and fluctuates a bit.
5. Inject hydroxy into intake manifold vacuum. The engine rpm stablize a bit.
6. Take the car for test ride.

Millage reading taken with hydroxy and lean fuel maximum (Test 1)
Distance : 100KM
Average speed : 100KM per hour
Fuel consumption : 6.49L/100KM (2.31% lose)

Test observation
I feel the engine power reduced a bit. I need to shift to lower gear to climb up hill road or by press more gas. Onces I had the high idling speed problem (2000 rpm at half way testing) so I turned off the electrolyser and race the engine few times and the idling rpm comes to normal even after turn on electrolyser. So I think the high rpm could be due to carburetor fuel cable spring doesn't work properly to pull back.

I didn't notice any other problem by running hydroxy into intake manifold. At the end of run the electrolyser consumes about 20A so I guess hydroxy production is somewhere 1.5LPM to 1.8LPM.

Question
Why the car uses more fuel compared?
Is it because of fuel leaned too much and I need to press fuel peddal lower during up hill climbing?

Next testing plan
I'm thinking of increase more fuel into carburetor by turning know anti clock wise. Probably I need to set fuel not too lean. I may increase the fuel while observing the rpm meter (should not fluctuate) with load.

Please help to post your suggestion to improve my future test results.

[theremart]

Hi guys,



Question
Why the car uses more fuel compared?
Is it because of fuel leaned too much and I need to press fuel peddal lower during up hill climbing?


Please help to post your suggestion to improve my future test results.

I have been watching many videos on adding hydrogen on cars. One thing I have noted from those who have made it work is they have run into problems with the onboard computer ( with the oxygen sensor )

Goto Youtube type in oxygen sensor and hydrogen. You will see the various ways people have coped with this problem.

I hope this helps.

mart

[future pather]

Do you mean that the oxygen sensor is sabotaging the situation? Aaron taught me that that can happen. Even if combustibility is increased, the sensor can throw off the benefits until that problem is addressed.

He'll probably chime in here.

Jessica

[Jetijs]

I don't think that a 1981 year car has O2 sensors. Of course I could be wrong and then it is the most probable cause of the problem. Keep us informed, and thank you for sharing your tests.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[future pather]

I wonder if the oil change on the vehicle is current and if that would matter?

Jessica

[future pather]

Looks like they sell O2 sensors for an '81 Honda Accord :

Honda Oxygen Sensor at Auto Parts Warehouse

[Jetijs]

Jessica, then we probably know what the problem is

[kumaran]

Hi guys,

Thanks for your feedbacks. I really appreciate it. About O2 sensor, my car is 1981 Honda Accord which uses carburetor. I'm going to test another round today with hydroxy. In previous test, the fuel was too lean. Today, I'm going to adjust the fuel knob to allow a little bit more fuel and see if this makes any difference.

The road I used to test drive is hilly road. So I need to press fuel peddal more during hill climbing if the fuel is too lean. I'll post the results once tested.

[kumaran]

Hi guys,

I did turn the fuel knob anti clockwise to let more fuel. In this test I utilise hot air pumps out from engine to bubble fuel inside glass container. Gas vapor then directed into air intake. Hydroxy still goes into vacuum port. I manage to cut down fuel consumption to nearly 10 percent. Still 40 percent to go.

Mileage reading taken with hydroxy goes into vacuum port and fuel vapor goes into air intake
Date : 23/03/2008
Distance : 100KM
Average speed : 100KM per hour
Base fuel consumption : 6.34L/100KM
Fuel consumption after modification : 5.70L/100KM (10.09% savings)

I have bought 250 psi air compressor (tyre electric air pump) which can be used for water mist project. I have water mist nozzle which could spray fine water mist on wider radius but cannot control the nozzle valve like fuel injector (narrow spray radius). 250PSI compressor should work fine for all the mist nozzle but how to control the nozzle valve using easy to find material. I'm going to ask pneumatic fittings distributer if they have any solenoid device to control water mist. Guys, please help to input your ideas if any.

[ANTIQUER]

Hydroxy System.

IF YOU HAVE NOT SOLVED YOUR PROBLEMS YET GO TO WATER4GAS.COM. THEIR SYSTEM SOUNDS MUCH LIKE YOURS & THEY SHOW THE MAO SENSOR MODIFIER & THE EEFI CONTROL FOR THE HYDROLIZER SYSTEM. YOU CAN ALSO FIND THE KIT FOR THIS SYSTEM ON E-BAY. CONTACT ME AT AHULL5130@JUNO.COM IF YOU ARE STILL HAVING PROBLEMS.

[kumaran]

Hi ANTIQUER,

I'm using carburetored car. If I use EFIE, I would have solved the leaning fuel problem long ago. There are many sites showing how to lean fuel by adding variable resistor for O2 sensor. Unfortunetely, I don't have EFIE car for testing.

About water4gas device, I don't think thier electrolizer is as efficient as mine (compared to amount of gas produced with amount of power used). They are using 12V direct to single cell and not series cell.

[ANTIQUER]

Hi ANTIQUER,

I'm using carburetored car. If I use EFIE, I would have solved the leaning fuel problem long ago. There are many sites showing how to lean fuel by adding variable resistor for O2 sensor. Unfortunetely, I don't have EFIE car for testing.

About water4gas device, I don't think thier electrolizer is as efficient as mine (compared to amount of gas produced with amount of power used). They are using 12V direct to single cell and not series cell.

HI Kumaran; Sorry about that. Ididn't realize you wre working on carburated car until after my message(Ihadn't read all your poatings.) I think part of your problem is that you need to pipe the brown's gas through the filter as well as into the intake manifold. The reason is that when you step on the gas,as in going up a hill, the vacuum in the manifold decreases so you are getting less hho. As for the amount of gas produced (HHO) it seems to be limited more by the amount of electric power going into the cell than anything else. That's why Stan Meyers was using electronic hi-speed pulsing to stimulate the water molecules rather than raw electric battery power. You might also check your timing after introducing the HHO into the system. the leaner mixture may effect it. Not sure as it has been a long time since i worked on a carb. engine. also a small hole in top of your cell with a one-way valve might help. since this is (i assume) basically a siphon-type system it would not work unless some outside air could pass through(same principle as a siphon spray gun: plug up the hole in top of the paint canister & you get very little if anything out of it.) Hope some of this helps. Keep in touch- I am usually up until 3 or 4 a.m. EST. if want to send e-mail late nite.

[kumaran]

HI Kumaran; Sorry about that. Ididn't realize you wre working on carburated car until after my message(Ihadn't read all your poatings.) I think part of your problem is that you need to pipe the brown's gas through the filter as well as into the intake manifold. The reason is that when you step on the gas,as in going up a hill, the vacuum in the manifold decreases so you are getting less hho.

No problem. Hey, nice idea on using both air intake and intake manifold (vacuum) for hydroxy. I'll try this idea. Thanks.

[kumaran]

Hi guys,

I have updated the pages for 13 plate series cell here.

[Jetijs]

Kumaran, that looks awesome
Hope it will perform well for you
Thanks