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  • #76
    Originally posted by rickoff View Post
    For those who are in fact interested, the other thread which Octavian speaks of is located here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post21201

    First of all, Octavian, I certainly don't consider myself to have a brilliant mind. I am just an ordinary man, and an old one at that. Certainly I have accumulated knowledge and experience during my lifetime that enables me to understand and visualize many concepts, and of course that helps a lot when explaining a concept to another person. I enjoy participating in these forums, and will gladly assist anyone who is asking for help, but please don't consider me as infallible.

    Your question, of course, is related to the technology used by s1r9a9m9 to drive his El Camino V8 using water as a fuel source. There are two ways, basically, to operate an engine using water. One is by converting, or disassociating, the water molecules into HHO gas, which is then ignited and burned in the combustion chambers. That is what we do with HHO boosters, or other water splitting devices. Another way of using water is water injection. A small amount of water, injected as a fine mist, will assist an engine in developing more power and reducing fuel consumption. That is because the water, when heated rapidly by gas combustion, provides an expansive steam assist which helps drive each piston downward on its power stroke. It is logical to conclude that the s1r9a9m9 method, of using only water as an energy source, applies both a water splitting and water steam effect to get the job done. The s1r9a9m9 circuitry provides a high voltage plasma arc which is definitely capable of disassociating and igniting some of the water molecules in the area adjacent to the arc. Any remaining water molecules, which were not ignited, would then be converted to high pressure steam by the heat of the HHO burn.

    Now to answer your question in a simplified manner, it is the battery that supplies the power used by the circuitry, the inverter, and other components, to create the arcs that make water splitting, HHO ignition, and steam expansion possible. The resultant power, developed within the engine, is then used to propel the vehicle and spin an alternator to maintain battery charge.

    Those who are interested enough to click on the link provided at the beginning of this reply will find more information about the electrical circuitry and components that s!r9a9m9 utilizes by reading post #7 of that thread. I hope this reply has met your expectations, and that it will prove useful - or at least interesting and thought provoking - to some who will read it.

    Best regards to all,

    Rickoff
    Greetings from another old man. We're not just getting older, we're getting better! ROFL.

    Seriously, you do some great postings and are one of the many invaluable assets on this forum who are ready to share your experience and knowledge with all. Thanks and keep it up!

    Al.
    Antiquer

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    • #77
      Mix Clash

      Originally posted by cyberphreax View Post
      I'm in the process of doing research for building a booster system and I'm pretty much settled on a Smack style booster. Considering that it will take me at least a week to get all the parts and build it, I'm seriously considering building one of the little bell jar boosters using baking soda to run for a couple of weeks until I get the smack unit built. Does anyone have any good reason why I shouldn't do that? I can build that setup tonight when I get home from work. I'm just going to use the non-foulers to remove the O2 sensor from the exhaust stream for now but I plan on building an EFIE and a PWM for the smack unit. Has anyone used a booster along with fuel additives like acetone and xylene? If so what affect did it have? Will the hydroxy nullify the effect of the additives?
      Cyber,

      A, Dont use the baking soda.

      B, Do try the additives of acetone and xylene. There is no reason not to use them with your smack...

      C, For best test purpose measure with and without and then togther for best baseline vs true data results.

      Good Luck

      W
      "But ye shall receive power..."
      Acts 1:8

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      • #78
        hho gen

        Originally posted by jjcobm View Post
        Hi everyone,

        I am currently doing some research on using HHO gas in order to improve fuel economy on vehicles. I have looked at several videos on the internet, and also several plans that are available on the internet for making an HHO gas generator, including reading over the post availavle here:

        ( http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lls-ect-5.html )

        Currently being an automotive engineering student at minnesota state universiy, I am interested to do a small, possibly big research project on HHO technology. The problem lies with the materials that are made available on the web describing exactly how HHO generators work.

        For starters, I am familiar with the electrolysis that occurs when the current tries to pass from a positive plate to the negative plate. Looking at some of the videos on the internet, I decided to experiment using a 7 plate HHO gas generator.

        We configured the plates as follows (+-+-+-+)

        Notice that there were no neutral plates in this configuration. We used water and a teaspoon of baking soda and ran this configuration, measured the amperes and they were way too high (105A).

        We had good bubble production, but the amperes running through the circuit indicated that there was no resistance in the HHO generator, which almost wanted to act as a short between the two cables connecting it to the car battery.

        Our next design, we decided to use "neutral" plates just as we saw on other documentations on the internet.

        So our configuration was like so: (-nn++nn-)

        This significantly reduced the current down to about 2 amps using only one tablespoon of baking soday, but the bubble production was not very impresive.

        I am having a hard time trying to find good documentation on HHO generators, and exactly how to make a proper configuration. My major questions at this point are the following:
        • What would be the optimal water to baking soda ratio?
        • What purpose do neutral plates serve?
        • How can I set up an HHO generator to have optimal "bubble" (HHO) output?
        • How much spacing should be required between a negative, neutral, or positive plates?
        • Where would be a good place to find stainless materials for future projects?
        • Where can I find good documentation on HHO generators and building them?


        I really appreciate your input on this topic.
        Hi
        Im not sure how far you have got I have tried a couple of cells simular to how you described.
        I am now in the process of building a "DRY CELL" ( -NNN+NNN- ) the space between I will try with 2mm (or 2mm-ish) using a rubber Gasket with 20mm perspex sheet on the outside to connect pipes.
        The cell will be gravity fed.
        I will not use baking soda or salt, I will try rain or distiled water to start with.
        The dry cell does not LOSS the current out of its sides/edges that are waisted and cause heat as in a wet cell.
        Some people use white Vinigar in their bubbler. They claim it neutralises unwanted gas and alows the hho to pass through.
        You need to use the highest grade Stainless steel to prevent BROWN/RUSTY WATER. Im lucky and have friends at British Aerospace who cut and supplied me with my sheets.
        Dont forget to do bench tests at 14 volts not 12 volts.

        P.S. I dont claim to be an expert on anything. Do as much research on Youtube as you can...

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        • #79
          Originally posted by wonderwayner View Post
          Hi
          Im not sure how far you have got I have tried a couple of cells simular to how you described.
          I am now in the process of building a "DRY CELL" ( -NNN+NNN- ) the space between I will try with 2mm (or 2mm-ish) using a rubber Gasket with 20mm perspex sheet on the outside to connect pipes.
          The cell will be gravity fed.
          I will not use baking soda or salt, I will try rain or distiled water to start with.
          The dry cell does not LOSS the current out of its sides/edges that are waisted and cause heat as in a wet cell.
          Some people use white Vinigar in their bubbler. They claim it neutralises unwanted gas and alows the hho to pass through.
          You need to use the highest grade Stainless steel to prevent BROWN/RUSTY WATER. Im lucky and have friends at British Aerospace who cut and supplied me with my sheets.
          Dont forget to do bench tests at 14 volts not 12 volts.

          P.S. I dont claim to be an expert on anything. Do as much research on Youtube as you can...
          He is right. I have several dry cells myself. They are definitely more efficient than the bath style cells.

          The downside with the lack of electrolyte is the requirement for a larger surface area to produce more gas.

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