Neutral plates?

[octavian]

i've seen a lot of these fuel cells, and pretty much all of them have neutral plates in between the ones that are electrically charged. what is the reason for this? are they necessary, and if so, why?

i would really appreciate any answers

[theremart]

RE: Neutral plates...

From the testing I have watched from John Aarons on youtube there seems to be an increase in production using them. why? I have no clue, I guess you go with what works.

[shellback]

Neutral plates?

This is by far the best site, thank you everybody.
And yes, what up with neutral plates I have been doing a lot of research on this topic as well .
1- Where do you start the separation and where do it end, or what is the best configuration?
2-What is the dynamics?
Plse. somebody help!

[octavian]

I found this site on the net here the other day, and it had some rally interesting information... Zero Fossil Fuel

I quote...
"Q: Why do you use neutral plates?
A: Neutral plates form a series resistive network that divides the available input voltage across the plates for the optimum voltage/plate gap of 2.0-2.4V. If automotive charging systems were 2.3V I would not use neutral plates. If they were 4.6V I would use one neutral plate, etc etc. More than 2.4V per plate gap wastes energy in the form of heat."

i'm not sure if i uderstand this correctly though... if someone could be so kind as to explain this in simpler terms it would really make my day.

thanks.

[Redmeanie]

I found this site on the net here the other day, and it had some rally interesting information... Zero Fossil Fuel

I quote...
"Q: Why do you use neutral plates?
A: Neutral plates form a series resistive network that divides the available input voltage across the plates for the optimum voltage/plate gap of 2.0-2.4V. If automotive charging systems were 2.3V I would not use neutral plates. If they were 4.6V I would use one neutral plate, etc etc. More than 2.4V per plate gap wastes energy in the form of heat."

i'm not sure if i uderstand this correctly though... if someone could be so kind as to explain this in simpler terms it would really make my day.

thanks.

OK what that means is if you are running a pure series cell i.e. Boyce type, they are not necessary. But in the case of a Smack's Type booster, if you are running "Pure" Straight Voltage (Brute Force Electrolysis) through it at say 14V the Neutral plates eat up amperage, produce more gas and help control temperature of the Electrolyte.

Hope that helps!

[octavian]

OK what that means is if you are running a pure series cell i.e. Boyce type, they are not necessary. But in the case of a Smack's Type booster, if you are running "Pure" Straight Voltage (Brute Force Electrolysis) through it at say 14V the Neutral plates eat up amperage, produce more gas and help control temperature of the Electrolyte.

Hope that helps!

Thank you!
But theres just one more thing... what is a Boyce cell? (i know i'm a noob, and i apologize) is it similar to the Meyer cell?

[Redmeanie]

Thank you!
But theres just one more thing... what is a Boyce cell? (i know i'm a noob, and i apologize) is it similar to the Meyer cell?

No it is a "Series" Type Cell. Imagine a Box shaped like a car battery. a postive on one end and a negative on the other. Now put X # of plates between the (+) and (-) plates forming sealed off "Chambers" now as the Voltage goes through the cell each cell "Divides" up the Voltage.

Imagine putting D batteries in a Flashlight and each cell has 1.5V when added all together you get an output of 6V out put for all 4 Batteries. Now think of this in reverse where the bulb would be putting voltage through to the Batteries.

That is the simplest way I can put it without drawing something up. But if you Wiki "Series" and "Parallel" you should get a more complete idea.

Hope that didn't confuse you more!

[shellback]

Are we neutral now????

3 cells in series driven by a bulb (energy source).
First cell (+) next cell (N) last cell (-).
(N) cell boosts both cells, understood.
NOW?
+N-N+N-N+N- and so on or +N+N+N---N+N+N+
Which is better, where do we go, sure I read his stuff like it a lot.
But what do you get? this surely can not be a trail and error scenario.
ALSO are they bonded or not
How many plates (or what ever you choose) can be used?
I know there is a lot involved Ohm's law play his part.
http://www.energeticforum.com/images...es/blowout.gif
Shellback

[Redmeanie]

Smack's Plans

To get an idea of a good starter:
http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.pdf
Look at the step by steps....They are pretty clear

[shellback]

Step by Step

Great site been there
But I was looking for an answer to a real problem, I know that this is difficult or maybe not, but at least for me.
If I have to refer you to all the sites I have been and visa versa we will be busy for a long time.
And that is why we are here, not to know where we have been. But what we know, or not know.
I apologize if I come across a little harsh but I want to rely on the strength of this community. I am tired and frustrated of research for I sometimes get nowhere. I sincerely need help and thank you for helping.
Shellback

[Redmeanie]

Great site been there
But I was looking for an answer to a real problem, I know that this is difficult or maybe not, but at least for me.
If I have to refer you to all the sites I have been and visa versa we will be busy for a long time.
And that is why we are here, not to know where we have been. But what we know, or not know.
I apologize if I come across a little harsh but I want to rely on the strength of this community. I am tired and frustrated of research for I sometimes get nowhere. I sincerely need help and thank you for helping.
Shellback

Either of the plate schemes will work, but the (+N-N+N-N+N-) is the one I have used the most when build my "Boosters" when I chose to use Neutral Plates. The other Scheme is used when people are trying to do the easiest Layout for all their plates and I have just found that the Scheme I use gives better results with the type of "Boosters" I build.

This is where a lot of other things come in to play, if you have "ALLOT" of plate area the Neutrals are not really necessary. Also if you are using a Pulsed Voltage to a cell they really don't contribute as much as they would if those plates were wired, because of the Pulsed Voltage you really don't need the Neutrals because you do not have the Amperage draw issues that they help eliminate.

[octavian]

[QUOTE=Redmeanie;20065]No it is a "Series" Type Cell. Imagine a Box shaped like a car battery. a postive on one end and a negative on the other. Now put X # of plates between the (+) and (-) plates forming sealed off "Chambers" now as the Voltage goes through the cell each cell "Divides" up the Voltage.

Imagine putting D batteries in a Flashlight and each cell has 1.5V when added all together you get an output of 6V out put for all 4 Batteries. Now think of this in reverse where the bulb would be putting voltage through to the Batteries.

That is the simplest way I can put it without drawing something up. But if you Wiki "Series" and "Parallel" you should get a more complete idea.

Hope that didn't confuse you more!

No thanks Readmeanie, i think i understand it better now.
you really know your stuff.

[shellback]

Are we positive on neutral

I think I am, thanks for all your help.
Just one more thing
are the neutral plates bonded or not, and do they lead to ground??????
Shellback

[Sephiroth]

I posted this link in another thread but it is probably better here

YouTube - Hydrogen Tap Out! Best Hydro at 20 Amps #2

Interesting close up of the neutral plates

[Redmeanie]

I think I am, thanks for all your help.
Just one more thing
are the neutral plates bonded or not, and do they lead to ground??????
Shellback

No they are "Free Floaters" at least thats what we call them. They should be insulated from both (+) and (-).