Neutral plates?

[vzon17]

Neutral plates

I see so manp people use neutral plates but they dont work unless the space between the plates is issolated from the next space. If you have neutral plates jsut wide open in a tank of liquid they wont work then you have a plus plate and a minus plate seperated by a wide distance with a bunch of metal in between. the electricity is mostly going to go around the neutral plates.
They need to be seperate cells to be effective, just think of a stack of batteries, the plus connects to the minus of the next one and so on. they are in series.

So to make teh neutral plates work you need to have the plates go all the way to the side of the housing and seal each compartment of water off from the next , then the current is forced to go through the neutral plates and then they become actualy active plates. So if you have 6 compartments of water between a bunch of plates and the positive on one end and the negative on teh other then each cell gets 2 volts. then you get more cells with the same current draw and more gas output.

So if you dont issolate each plate space from the other then neutral cells are counter productive, then you are better of connecting each alternate plate to the power for maximum gas and forget the neutral plates.

[pln4472]

Vzon17,

In the Smack's booster, it is an open bath design in which the serial cell works, kinda. It is a four cell design twice. In a close 4 cell design and 12 volts, there would be 3 volts in each cell. In my smacks booster there is about 4 volts on the cells close to + & - and about 2 volts in the middle.

In my experiments adding more cells to it doesn't work. The volt on the inside cells falls to low and no production at all.

Marlin

[vzon17]

2 volts

If your down ot 2 volts in the middle then you are right you dont want to add more. 2 volts is good.

[shellback]

AaaaH!!!!!

I see so manp people use neutral plates but they dont work unless the space between the plates is issolated from the next space. If you have neutral plates jsut wide open in a tank of liquid they wont work then you have a plus plate and a minus plate seperated by a wide distance with a bunch of metal in between. the electricity is mostly going to go around the neutral plates.
They need to be seperate cells to be effective, just think of a stack of batteries, the plus connects to the minus of the next one and so on. they are in series.

So to make teh neutral plates work you need to have the plates go all the way to the side of the housing and seal each compartment of water off from the next , then the current is forced to go through the neutral plates and then they become actualy active plates. So if you have 6 compartments of water between a bunch of plates and the positive on one end and the negative on teh other then each cell gets 2 volts. then you get more cells with the same current draw and more gas output.

So if you dont issolate each plate space from the other then neutral cells are counter productive, then you are better of connecting each alternate plate to the power for maximum gas and forget the neutral plates.

I have been troubled by this info. since you have posted it an have not heard or read anything more logical. Thank you.
I really do want to include Neutrals for we all know that they do work.
YES!!! they need to be introduced correctly.
I am designing and building a cell, where each plate is 4" dia. with a 2" hole in the center creating a donut. As you may have detected I need my N's to work and have not come up with a solution. So if this cell is to be constructed in a cylinder and my N's are touching the walls in a horizontal fashion I may just as well abort project, right? Or continue with out them.
One step forward, two steps back.
Need help here!!!!!
Shell

[Tarkus]

Neutrals work or don't work

I suggest most of you take most of what you think you know about electrical THEORY and lose it or put it on the shelf when theorizing what an electrolysis cell will or won't do.
I've had them do some strange things contrary to electrical theory, build it, test it, observe it only then will you know.

I've built numerous cells mostly Joe cell configurations but also Boisie type also my observations on my neutral plates show they contribute greatly to my gas production even in an open bath.

Gas production dwindles with to large a Anode/Cathode plate area(increase in amperage draw) or to much voltage drop (to many neutral plates)

I use 2 neutrals between the anode and cathode plates for best gas production
-NN+NN-NN+

[muttdogg]

gas

to all:
If I'm not mistaken, the idea should be collection, not production.

[vzon17]

neutral plates

I have been troubled by this info. since you have posted it an have not heard or read anything more logical. Thank you.
I really do want to include Neutrals for we all know that they do work.
YES!!! they need to be introduced correctly.
I am designing and building a cell, where each plate is 4" dia. with a 2" hole in the center creating a donut. As you may have detected I need my N's to work and have not come up with a solution. So if this cell is to be constructed in a cylinder and my N's are touching the walls in a horizontal fashion I may just as well abort project, right? Or continue with out them.
One step forward, two steps back.
Need help here!!!!!
Shell

Well no reason to abandon project. will you be using the cylider vertically or horizotally. the hole in the middle will allow power leakage between neutral plates so will reduce their effectiveness. but if they were solid disk then it would work. then you have the problem of getting the gases out of the space of course and water getting in
An idea I had on that is then to take your cylinder and useit sideways and drill some holes between each plate down one side in a row so the gas can escape then take the whole cylinder and put it in a rectangurlar tank and submerse it in water so the water just comes up to the holes or just below, which would be only down one edge of the cylinder. then the gases could escape, and when the car moves around water would slosh and keep each cell filled nicely and you would have isolated cells to boot. that would actually be a realy nice design becaues it could be very compact. the assebly would be real easy just drop a bunch of disks in a tube with spacers, mount the tube at the bottom of the tank with some clamps. if you had a bigger tank you could put severl tubes like that it there and have them all slosh fill.

If you had the tubes designed so the one end could be unscrewed then you could make it so when all the parts are put in then the screw on cap would hold all the parts in by pressure. easy to take apart and no need of any fasteners.