Water Sparkplug

[gmeast]

no inverter (proper)

Hi all,

I have moved away from inverters altogether. I have built the simplest of oscillators - a two transistor DC-AC device with a voltage doubler.

I got a scope-wise look at the 'death' event that fried one of my inverters and it appears that the failure (at least on my stuff) is related to the C-MOS circuitry in the inverter controls getting fried first then followed by random firing of the power FETS in the inverter resulting in shorting and burnout. The inverter has an internal 50 A fuse that is blown. All of those have always been blown. If this theory proves out then my transistor oscillator should live ... no control circuitry ... just two power transistors and a couple of diodes, some resistors, etc.

I'll let you know.

Greg

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
I made a new timing setup for my genset. This setup will have the waste spark, but at this time I do not want to go past TDC anyway. It does not have any gears and other things that can make the ignition unreliable, just simple aluminum timing disc and an optoswitch on a sliding plexiglass plate. Hope that this setup will work good so that I can test the water spark setup + HHO booster + water injection



Thanks,
Jetijs

[revizal]

Mixed GEET and plasma booster on a genset

Hi All,

Inspired of what Gotoluc did several times ogo in last 2 day I make a series test to make clear the effect of plasma in ICE. The testing did without electrical loading on the output. I back to my 2K gasoline genset with the steps:
1. Runs the genset on 100 mL gasoline with original ignition setup and No GEET connected into the engine. The fuel last in 4 minutes.
2. Runs the genset on 100 mL gasoline with original ignition setup + GEET connected into the engine. Fuel last in 5 minutes.
3. Runs the genset on 100 mL diesel with original ignition setup + GEET connected into the engine. Fuel last in 5 minutes.
4. Runs the genset on 100 mL diesel with plasma ignition setup + GEET connected into the engine. Fuel last in 7 minutes.

I think with just 100 mL fuel, it’s not enough to make conclusion about fuel consumption. But my main purpose is to see the real effect of plasma on mixed GEET-Plasma booster ignition. The smoke was gone when I run it on mixed GEET + Plasma Booster. My video make it clears to sure the effect. In experience, it need 5-8 times to pull the starter wheel to make engine start on original ignition setup, but only 2 times when I pulling the starter wheel to make the engine start and it was very smooth on gasoline or diesel.

Here is the video:

YouTube - Mixed GEET-PLASMA on genset

I hope it gives some additional progress here.
Best regard,

Revizal.

[Chris31]

Excellent progress there revizal.

Is it possible to run on diesel using only plasma? without the GEET.

[revizal]

Excellent progress there revizal.

Is it possible to run on diesel using only plasma? without the GEET.

In my experiment, my engine was died if I add diesel into fuel tank on original standard ignition. It was runs on just plasma booster (no GEET) but not smooth as my previous video. It's run very bad in low RPM. I guest it's not what we want. The last (as my last video), the engine runs very smooth with diesel on Plasma booster+GEET. I'm sure this methode is what we need. It makes us sure to clear convert gasoline engine to diesel.

Revizal.

[revizal]

No Inverter

Hi all,

I have moved away from inverters altogether. I have built the simplest of oscillators - a two transistor DC-AC device with a voltage doubler.

I got a scope-wise look at the 'death' event that fried one of my inverters and it appears that the failure (at least on my stuff) is related to the C-MOS circuitry in the inverter controls getting fried first then followed by random firing of the power FETS in the inverter resulting in shorting and burnout. The inverter has an internal 50 A fuse that is blown. All of those have always been blown. If this theory proves out then my transistor oscillator should live ... no control circuitry ... just two power transistors and a couple of diodes, some resistors, etc.

I'll let you know.

Greg

Hi Greg,

Can you post your video to let us know the multipier works ?

Rev.

[dllabarre]

Hi all,

I have moved away from inverters altogether. I have built the simplest of oscillators - a two transistor DC-AC device with a voltage doubler.

Greg

Hi Greg

Can you post a parts list and the schematic of your "oscillators" with the doubler?

Thanks
DonL

[Ansis Freimanis]

To All

Hi! I have good and bad news. At first- I make a Discovery. This discovery is very interesting. I think, all of You watching my Video with 1 Darlington transistor + Impulse transformer? If Yes then I can tell You more... In my video the generator was... Sinus Wave generator. Today I make a multivibrator with Square impulse output about 30-40KHz. And I make some mesurments... and I find somthing is wrong. And that is what I mean about discovery. At first- if we look to the circuit: difference is only a square or sine generator... only??? Go to next.
With Sine I have 1) 3 Amps; 12Volts and 130V output- 60Watts lamp.
2) Transistor was warm and transformer too.
3) No resonance in frequency range from 10 to 40KHz. I mean output voltage is the same 200Volts.
With Square wave 1) 6Amps; 12Volts and 125V output- 60 Watts lamp.
2) Transistor was very hot, but transformer ... cold.
3)Very sharp resonance!!!
Conclusions: I am absolutly shore- The SQUARE CURRENT NO WORK CORRECT IN THE TRANSFORMERS!!! Becouse no Maximum point and no mimimum point of current. Transformer no working!!! We see only position ON and OFF and no position where wave start go from 0 volts then to maximum 12V and so and after. Transistor is go to saturation and after some period his current make him dead... . I am shore we must make generators with sine form, and that is very important!!!

[Ansis Freimanis]

P.S.

Sorry- there is mistake:
I mean output voltage is the same 200Volts - 130Volts is correct.

[jstadwater]

Hello all,

My inverters have a total of four 30 amp fuses internal. The latest "death" smoked the Fets but the internal fuses are still good, checked all four. Anyway, I intend to adjust the ignition timing today on the Suburban to get the spark knock to go away. Then I will road test to see if there is a good power difference while using the plasma spark, on just gasoline. I also have a working hydrogen unit attached to this vehicle, we'll see how that comes into play a little later.

@ Greg
Did you experience spark knock on your 4 cylinder? Do you know how far you adjusted your timing to obtain a smooth run? Just curious........................Mike

[Chris31]

The latest "death" smoked the Fets but the internal fuses are still good

Mike the TVS is not saving the inverters?

[Chris31]

In my experiment, my engine was died if I add diesel into fuel tank on original standard ignition. It was runs on just plasma booster (no GEET) but not smooth as my previous video. It's run very bad in low RPM. I guest it's not what we want. The last (as my last video), the engine runs very smooth with diesel on Plasma booster+GEET. I'm sure this methode is what we need. It makes us sure to clear convert gasoline engine to diesel.

Revizal.

Thanks for the reply, yes GEET is the way to go if we want to run different type of fuel.

I just though that diesel might work with just plasma if the engine is already at its operating temp, perhaps the ignition timing might also need adjusting.

[jstadwater]

It wasn't that, I was making contact with chassis ground when that happened. It's not touching chassis ground now and it's fine with the engine and the circuit running together. Someone mentioned we also need to have a bi-directional TVS from each leg to ground. I do not presently have that included in my wiring, can anyone verify that as a requirement? So far, it seems fine without it, only short tests thus far though.

Mike

[gmeast]

VIDEO - oscillator / doubler

Hi all,

Trouble with the video editor so no titles and I didn't feel like talking.

In the video you see the regular spark then I turn on the oscillator / doubler assembly, squirt it with water, run it with the drill motor, etc. Good stable plasma to max drill motor speed ... about 2400 RPM.

The doubler (multiplier) is on the left of the transformer. The doubler is the exact one Aaron posted to the group long ago. The xformer is a 115VAC x 12.6 VAC run in reverse. No need for an isolation transformer because the 115 x 12.6 is one. It gets warm but is cooled easly by one of the (many) small chasis fans I have left over from fried inverters. It gets warm for two reasons: 1) it's not a real step up transformer, 2) transformers don't like square waves ... they like sine waves.

The short, fat cap is a 1000uF x 100VDC for the oscillator input supply stabilizer (goes across the 12VDC input to the oscillator - may not be needed).

Behind that is a small 33uF x 450VDC storage cap. On the upper right is an oil-filled HV cap at 3uF. The current limiter resistor is 120 Ohms.

I will be getting a board-mount xformer today. It is only a 0.3A transformer. This arrangement draws very low power ... it surprised me!

This way I can make a final determination if the inverter failures have been 'power-side' based or 'processor-side' based. A failure on the power side is a $2.00 Transistor replacement and on with troubleshooting, etc.

Video is at:

YouTube - transistor oscillator

Peace,

Greg

P.S. My original Gotoluc pulsed-coil plasma CDI circuit (with the charge and discharge power Mosfets) is still intact and a reminder that there was NEVER a problem with that configuration. Just thought I'd mention that.

[jstadwater]

Great video Greg!

I wait, excitedly, for you to see it work well in your bug. You have a real knack for solving problems, glad you are a part of all this for sure. I am sure it will perform as well as everything else you have done here, great work!

I will continue testing the Suburban with the inverter, just to see if it will be fine with the current setup. I'll post some results later today, hopefully. At least by tomorrow. Later................................Mike