Water Sparkplug

[gmeast]

steam

what about using HHO concentric tube electrolizer for both ? For generating steam and for generating HHO

That way we will have mixture of HHO and steam.. that will be ingited using plasma spark plug
maybe HHO and plasma combination will even improve the process...

About that LC swing oscilation... problem with series inductor with capacitor could be that we can not that way use eletrlitic capacitor cause AC osclication... oil capacitors of the same capacity are much bigger

I wonder will LC series improve something ?

Hi grizli and all,

In the case of steam with regards to my particular testing and goals, I generate the steam for 'free' using waste heat from the hot exhaust. I do this because it does not make any additional demands on the engine (via alternator load).

I intend to run the engine in a fundamentally different thermodynamic cycle and improve efficiency ... eventually adding hydroxy as a further enhancement.

There have been suggestions that extending the plasma spark as multiple events would add great benefit. In fact I think the Meyers system does that with resonance. There are many, many facets to these technologies ... hard to grasp it all and test it all. Thank goodness for the number of people with true interests in these things.

Peace,

Greg

[grizli]

Grizli,

In order for your electrolyzer to heat up enough to cause steam from the process you will have had to use quite a bit of electrolyte and are going to have to use a bubbler to stop that stuff from getting into the engine. The steam won't make it through the bubbler.

If the plasma made from say the vexus circuit is able to release the energy within the said fuel it contacts, then wouldn't you just be going through extra steps in separating the water molecules before the plasma does just that?

Warren

No... increase voltage you dont need much electrolyte... you can actually use tap water and about 50 -100 V per cell
why use heater this is seems better

[grizli]

Hi grizli and all,

In the case of steam with regards to my particular testing and goals, I generate the steam for 'free' using waste heat from the hot exhaust. I do this because it does not make any additional demands on the engine (via alternator load).

I intend to run the engine in a fundamentally different thermodynamic cycle and improve efficiency ... eventually adding hydroxy as a further enhancement.

There have been suggestions that extending the plasma spark as multiple events would add great benefit. In fact I think the Meyers system does that with resonance. There are many, many facets to these technologies ... hard to grasp it all and test it all. Thank goodness for the number of people with true interests in these things.

Peace,

Greg

Hi!

I doubt exhast will be that hot if only water used as fuel hmm ..

And,. I think classic spark plug is NOT GOOD.. I mean if water fumes go though air intake or carburator : water fumes are not GAS itself. and plasma does not reach ALL volume of cylinder: of you see S.M spark plug its completely different.. all water is inside chamber inside spark plug where HV pulse is applied.
After all firestorm is not produced any you can not buy it: what about producing your own spark plug hmm
Is there any mass produced on the market similar to firestorm ?
whats your opinion about that ?

[gmeast]

cycle

Hi!

I doubt exhast will be that hot if only water used as fuel hmm ..

And,. I think classic spark plug is NOT GOOD.. I mean if water fumes go though air intake or carburator : water fumes are not GAS itself. and plasma does not reach ALL volume of cylinder: of you see S.M spark plug its completely different.. all water is inside chamber inside spark plug where HV pulse is applied.
After all firestorm is not produced any you can not buy it: what about producing your own spark plug hmm
Is there any mass produced on the market similar to firestorm ?
whats your opinion about that ?

Hi all,

What I am testing is:
1.) VW engine running on gasoline
2.) steam is generated from waste exhaust heat and ingested with the fuel-air (after the air cleaner)
3.) ignition system is my VexUs-6 Water Spark Plug Plasma circuit firing Firestorm plugs (VexUs using only 1 uF cap though).

I posted the results of the ORIGINAL test run here in this forum and on Overunity. The MPG went from 25 MPG to 37 MPG. This 300 mile test run used stock non suppressive spark plugs.

The exhaust temperature at cruise went from 650 deg F to 485 deg F. This plus the MPG gain all proved a NEW thermo-cycle.

Now I'm improving the steam circuit and leaving the ignition the same but now with the addition of the Firestorm plugs.

... hope this clears thing up a little.

Peace,

Greg

[grizli]

Hi all,

What I am testing is:
1.) VW engine running on gasoline
2.) steam is generated from waste exhaust heat and ingested with the fuel-air (after the air cleaner)
3.) ignition system is my VexUs-6 Water Spark Plug Plasma circuit firing Firestorm plugs (VexUs using only 1 uF cap though).

I posted the results of the ORIGINAL test run here in this forum and on Overunity. The MPG went from 25 MPG to 37 MPG. This 300 mile test run used stock non suppressive spark plugs.

The exhaust temperature at cruise went from 650 deg F to 485 deg F. This plus the MPG gain all proved a NEW thermo-cycle.

Now I'm improving the steam circuit and leaving the ignition the same but now with the addition of the Firestorm plugs.

... hope this clears thing up a little.

Peace,

Greg

Hi !
Thats nice
so engine temperature dropped.. and valves are ok ?! Did you lean gas mixture and how much ?

how much steam is injected ?

So you used only 1 uF capacitor to get plasma spark or , what voltage across cap ?


where to buy Firestorm ?


and can you link me this circuit please cant find it: VexUs-6 , The same You used...
I have some tome to collect all data and circuits.. so I can follow

Thank You !

[gmeast]

numbers

Hi !
Thats nice
so engine temperature dropped.. and valves are ok ?! Did you lean gas mixture and how much ?

how much steam is injected ?

So you used only 1 uF capacitor to get plasma spark or , what voltage across cap ?


where to buy Firestorm ?


and can you link me this circuit please cant find it: VexUs-6 , The same You used...
I have some tome to collect all data and circuits.. so I can follow

Thank You !

Hi grizli,

Haven't seen the valves.

The voltage runs 350 VDC to 400 VDC depending on frequency (RPM). I'll look up my files. It also requires an oscillator to drive the circuit, and a voltage multiplier (VexUs-6 has the doubler and isolation combined) ... I'll find those too or maybe someone has the one(s) I posted here months ago.

Steam was an I.V. drip onto the exhaust pipe inside the heater box. The pictures were posted here. The steam ingestion was from about 25 cc of water per mile.

The Firestorms were supplied to me for testing. You can't buy them yet ... maybe a limited supply soon though.

Greg

[grizli]

Hi grizli,

Haven't seen the valves.

The voltage runs 350 VDC to 400 VDC depending on frequency (RPM). I'll look up my files. It also requires an oscillator to drive the circuit, and a voltage multiplier (VexUs-6 has the doubler and isolation combined) ... I'll find those too or maybe someone has the one(s) I posted here months ago.

Steam was an I.V. drip onto the exhaust pipe inside the heater box. The pictures were posted here. The steam ingestion was from about 25 cc of water per mile.

The Firestorms were supplied to me for testing. You can't buy them yet ... maybe a limited supply soon though.

Greg

Hi!
will that also work with normal spark plug ?
What about leaning ait fuel ratio ? did you do that to reduce gas imput?: what about changing point of ignition near TDC, or you left it as it was before ?

Can you compare mileage while using water fumes to operation without water fumes , of course with new spark plug?


Is this circuit you used : page 20 Water%20Spark%20Plug.pdf - DivShare


what about these from bosch

and this 12% average increase in MPG - Halo Spark Plugs

[gmeast]

circuit

Hi!
will that also work with normal spark plug ?
What about leaning ait fuel ratio ? did you do that to reduce gas imput?: what about changing point of ignition near TDC, or you left it as it was before ?

Can you compare mileage while using water fumes to operation without water fumes , of course with new spark plug?


Is this circuit you used : page 20 Water%20Spark%20Plug.pdf - DivShare

what about these from bosch

and this 12% average increase in MPG - Halo Spark Plugs

Hi grisli,

That's the publication. The VexUs circuit I designed, and the pictures of the Bug and test report of the initial test are from pp 15 - 23. The newer more efficient oscillator is on pp 24.

The plasma spark plug effect can't be achieved with resistor type noise suppression plugs as far as anyone presently knows.


The VexUs-6 circuit is below.

[grizli]

Hi grisli,

That's the publication. The VexUs circuit I designed, and the pictures of the Bug and test report of the initial test are from pp 15 - 23. The newer more efficient oscillator is on pp 24.

The plasma spark plug effect can't be achieved with resistor type noise suppression plugs as far as anyone presently knows.


The VexUs-6 circuit is below.

I have some questions about the circuit , and before all please answer me about leaning air fuel ration: did you do that on Bug ?(cant find that in pdf)

Why you use only 3uF discharging capacitor ?


maybe you could put series inductor that would work as choke(for neon bulbs) on the AC oscilator imput instead wasting energy on resistor ? According to pdf you used 60 hz power inverter (oscilator output)

So every spark plug on the market has resistor in the center rod ? whats its resistance ?

Thank you
Very nice work on the Bug

[little_old_lady]

Firestorm Plugs

It seems obvious to me that the spherical head on the firestorm is the best approach (it follows Tesla's advice); however, it is also clear that if we want this design then we will have to build them ourselves.

My question is, does anyone have any good instructions on how to DIY for Firestorm design plugs?

[grizli]

It seems obvious to me that the spherical head on the firestorm is the best approach (it follows Tesla's advice); however, it is also clear that if we want this design then we will have to build them ourselves.

My question is, does anyone have any good instructions on how to DIY for Firestorm design plugs?

What metal is top of plug : copper ? copper with platinum coating ? hmm

it can be done but how to galvanize platinum hmm

[gmeast]

freq

I have some questions about the circuit , and before all please answer me about leaning air fuel ration: did you do that on Bug ?(cant find that in pdf)

Why you use only 3uF discharging capacitor ?


maybe you could put series inductor that would work as choke(for neon bulbs) on the AC oscilator imput instead wasting energy on resistor ? According to pdf you used 60 hz power inverter (oscilator output)

So every spark plug on the market has resistor in the center rod ? whats its resistance ?

Thank you
Very nice work on the Bug

Hi grizli,

Thanks for you comment. A choke would work too. There is only 12 - 40 watts of power in the circuit. A resistor was easier to use and tune for freq ... simple RC. Later I may study the effects of a choke. The point is to charge the CDI cap fully between plug discharges but not so fast as to overload the transistors doing the charging in the oscillator. At 400 VDC it's an awfully big hole to fill (even 1 uF) and it will fill very fast if it isn't limited or choked somehow.

You can get non-resistor plugs ... just not at the general stores. Race supply, off road and other performance stores will have them. they can be obtained online too ... sparkplugs.com ... tee hee.

I did not lean the fuel. I will be doing that next round of testing. In fact it will be required because the carb will begin to go rich as I add the amount of steam (inert gas) I want to.

My oscillator is running at around 80 HZ. Freq is not important as long as we pump. It's important for the oscillator components chosen though.

Thanks for comments and input,

Greg

[gmeast]

plug mat'l

What metal is top of plug : copper ? copper with platinum coating ? hmm

it can be done but how to galvanize platinum hmm

The dome and cage are beryllium-copper.

Greg

[gotoluc]

It seems obvious to me that the spherical head on the firestorm is the best approach (it follows Tesla's advice); however, it is also clear that if we want this design then we will have to build them ourselves.

My question is, does anyone have any good instructions on how to DIY for Firestorm design plugs?

Hi little_old_lady,

I will soon start a new topic for Robin David to show everyone how Robin build's his Firestorm style spark plug which have been supplied to Greg for his VW and also to Ash in Ozzieland.

At this time Robin is building a new set of Firestorms and is taking many pictures and also notes of the steps which will all be shared once he provides them to me.

Please stay tuned

Luc

[little_old_lady]

I apologize if this information is already known to the group (I have read so much I don't remember where it all came from). Anyway this page provides useful information regarding the background theory behind exploding water. Scroll down to the section regarding "Longitudinal forces in dense plasmas".

With another arrangement [19], Figure 2.17, current pulses in the range 10-25kA were used. The maximum force observed amounted to 430kN, equivalent to a pressure of 27'000 atm. If the water was free to move it would be expelled, emitting intense white light. When captured, it was found to be only lukewarm.

What is the cause of the explosions ?

Thermal forces due to Joule heating of the water seem unlikely, as the same amount of energy dissipated could cause explosions in one case, and discharge silently in another. The energy needed for thermal explosions has been debated [11, 25]. A related subject is the cause of thunder. Peter Graneau has suggested that thunder may be driven by electrodynamic explosions, and not by thermic heating of the air [22]. An interesting question would be if the water content in the air affects the intensity of the thunder.

Superheated steam has been suggested to drive a thermal explosion. The energy available may be too small for this to happen, as the discharge then would have to be confined to a small filament in the water. The latter is contradicted by the fact that the arc tends to fill the whole gap [25]. More important though is that no steam has been detected in any experiment, although a great deal of the water can convert into cold fog and mist.

The production of fog and mist has made Peter and Neal Graneau suggest that the chemical bonding energy may be altered. Recent measurements also indicate that the energy released substantially exceeds the energy supplied by the arc [28, 29]. Their theory is that the bonding energy of very small droplets may be less (i.e. more negative) than that of liquid water. The difference in energy would then be released during the conversion into fog. Investigations indicate that only the smallest droplets explode, a fact supporting the theory.

There is a nice little graph that shows the "explosion" threshold at different capacitances and voltages.

Based upon this information it appears to me that the WSP is little more than a switching device for a high-current discharge through water. The "over-unity" of such an explosion is well documented. The explosive power seems to be directly linked to current; therefore, we want to maximize the voltage and minimize the resistance of the discharge. It also appears that we want to balance the duration of the high current (possibly multiple rapid-fire short pulses because once all of the water droplets in the arc path are exploded, sending current through air isn't helping us.) This suggests using short, thick, multi-stranded coper wires and NOT using the vehicle ground and instead provide a direct "shorter" link to the ground of the capacitor.

Based upon the above research it is clear to me that we do not need steam, only a super fine mist. (The steam we see is really just a fine mist). In fact, if we had another switching device then we could use liquid water directly. The only reason a mist is needed is to prevent pre-mature shorting of the cap which is triggered by an even higher voltage inductive spark.

Once again I apologize if this information has been covered before.