Water Sparkplug

[Aaron]

sparking salt water

Ossie posted a vid spraying salt water on the spark plug
YouTube - Exploding Salt Water On Demand

Appears explosive rather than explode/implode with plain water. Anyone verify this yet with the Luc circuit?

If so, that might eliminate the EEC (electron extraction circuit) necessity to prevent water from forming after ignition. Some chemical form? I'm not strong on the chemistry but real salt is more than sodium chloride with 74+ minerals and trace minerals or fake salt that is sugar and calcium coated sodium chloride extract... either way, is there something to it that the sodium/chloride, etc... can absorb free electrons so the h/o doesn't reform?

[Aaron]

different circuit

p.s. it is a different circuit Ossie is using.

I don't want to wake up my neighborhood right now...anyone in a daylight timezone to try salt water spray on Luc's sparkplug circuit?

[jimmyv]

Just sayin thanks!

To all that share the projects they work on, thank you. You give a guy like me a chance to do something I've always wanted to do. The video's help big time since I'm more of a visual person and I hope to post some helpful information soon. Thanks again!

[Tishatang]

@Aaron and all

In the Noble Gas Engine, Papp uses water saturated with chlorine and "cooked"
for about 6 hours at around 400 volts. Then noble gases would be introduced. I
think it is a water engine in disguise. Maybe the power is the chloride being released by the spark? I am not a chemist. Try adding chlorine to the water instead of salt.

Tishatang

[Aaron]

Welcome Jimmy

Jimmy,

Would love to see our duplication efforts with the plug if you get a chance to share!

[mrbreau]

Don't do it!!!

Ever heard of Chlorine gas? It is a KILLER!! And I'll be sure NOT to put bleach in anything I'm experimenting with either. Whoa! And whoa!!

I heard, read somewhere, or saw a video of a lady shopping with her kids. She bought sodas of some kind and powdered bleach. The bleach fell over in the back seat unnoticed and spilled on the floor of the car. One of the kids dropped a soda into the bleach. Everyone in the car was killed from the Chlorine gas!

Be extra careful here.

Warren
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[Aaron]

chlorine

Meyer said he could use sea water, maybe a hint of literally using salt water.

Chlorine in an engine will rot any rubber seals that it touches...some will drain into the oil pan then it will be bad news.

[jstadwater]

Still unclear to me.................

Thanks boguslaw for the caution info on that cap, that's EXACTLY why I ask questions before I proceed with anything I don't fully understand. I am now doing further research to better understand some of these components. Last night I picked up some disposeable cameras for the flash caps. I still need to know what type of relay to use and which posts to wire up with a 555 timer though, to keep from having to manually trigger each spark. I would also be appreciative to find out exactly what diodes to use. I guess I could just try to figure it out myself, just take longer and cost more, that's all. Anyway, thanks everyone for the info shared here. Keep chomping away at the bit, things will continue to happen as they are meant to. Best wishes to all............................................... ...........Mike

[UncleFester]

Yes I have a whole box full of those. But we are going to need to calibrate precisely Pulse Width to control effectively it effectively. The Fogger may work on a Carburated single piston, but in a Multi Cylinder Engine the output will not be sufficient or controllable with varying loads.

Oh, I thought we were still trying to get a small engine running on it. I suppose a fuel injection system would work on water as well. Electronic valves could be used as well (solenoid).

index

Use the valve timing to calculate volume of water per opening. This could also be used to power a pulsejet type of system for powering a Tesla turbine VERY efficiently. In fact, the Tesla turbine would be a perfect engine for multiple injectors/plugs. SOunds like it's time to fire up the mill and lathe for a couple hours

Tad

[Peter Lindemann]

Latest Up-date

Hi Folks,

Well, I was able to run a few experiments at my shop yesterday (Friday, July 18th). After seeing Ossie Callanan's YouTube video showing the plasma spark triggered by a little Xenon flash strobe from a 9 volt battery, I had the idea to try this with an old Radio Shack Party Strobe that I had left over from another project.

When the primary of the ignition coil is placed in series with the discharge path of the Xenon bulb, sure enough, the spark plug fires. When the extra HV diode is connected, sure enough, the plasma spark appears. So, this showed me that the entire process CAN BE accomplished solid-state, and without relays. The effect from the strobe was not as strong as the effect from the relay system for the same capacitor discharge, because most of the power was dissipated across the Xenon bulb, and not in the primary of the ignition coil. So, I still think there is a better way to trigger this. The party strobe was simple and convenient, but not as efficient.

Then Aaron came over and we added his new, little parallel capacitor dump system across the spark plug. Sure enough, the method adds more energy to the spark discharge. In our experiments, we charged the secondary caps up from a variac connected to a microwave power supply step-up transformer and a HV rectifier bridge. We ran the initial spark gap from my newly created strobe circuit. The higher the voltage we put on the secondary caps, the louder the spark would get. So, like the intrepid explorers of old, we kept raising the voltage until we got to about 1000 VDC, at which point, we fried my 12,000 volt diodes!!! Diagnostics proved that nothing else was hurt, and the replacement of the HV diodes returned the system to operation.

There is still a lot to learn about this process, but spraying water on this enhanced plasma spark does make an impressive blast.

After stimulating our adrenal glands for a while, we came down off the chemical high, and realized that connecting this system to an automobile ignition would definitely FRY the computer. It might be quite useful in a backyard generator, though.

Sorry, no films were made.

Peter

[theremart]

Nice !

Hi Folks,

Sorry, no films were made.

Peter

Thanks for sharing Peter,

I am waiting for others to finish smoking their inverters / diodes/ etc.... before I get here

Sounds like the teamwork method is making miles of progress!!!

I hope to have my solid state bedini up and going in a couple of weeks, I really enjoy the on going saga of Spark or smoke

Will it be the purple smoke or the blue smoke this week

But no smoke no progress thanks for sharing your fireworks!

Mart

[rickoff]

About Salt Water

Aaron & Peter,

About the salt water effect -

Referring back to my June 27, #12 post in the Suppressed Technologies and Inventors thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post21776

"Incidentally, it is interesting to note that Francisco Pacheco used sea water in his hydrogen generator. Daniel Dingel also used sea water in creating hydrogen. Sea water naturally contains magnesium, and much of the magnesium produced in the U.S. comes from electrolysis of fused magnesium chloride derived from sea water. Perhaps the magnesium in sea water is a boosting factor to hydrogen which allows sea water to burn with a 2,000 degree flame when exposed to John Kanzius's Radio Frequency Generator (see YouTube - John Kanzius - Saltwater Burns ).

Note that positively charged sodium ions and negatively charged chloride ions are the most abundant ions of sea salt, and are the third and fourth most abundant of the 13 constituents of sea water, directly following hydrogen and oxygen, while magnesium is the fifth. We know that sodium, and chloride (from Hydrochloric Acid as a result of volcanic venting to sea water) are both useful in electrolytes. It is a known fact that magnesium will react with diluted acids to liberate hydrogen. Sea water has diluted acids, but overall is slightly more alkaline than human blood on the Ph scale."

It is also interesting to note that technicians experimenting with John Kanzius's method were also able to burn water to which ordinary table salt had been added. I do suspect,though, that sea water would prove to be preferable due to the small amount of magnesium it contains.

Hope that helps explain what is going on with the salt water.

Best, Rickoff

[elias]

Aaron & Peter,

About the salt water effect -

Referring back to my June 27, #12 post in the Suppressed Technologies and Inventors thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post21776

"Incidentally, it is interesting to note that Francisco Pacheco used sea water in his hydrogen generator. Daniel Dingel also used sea water in creating hydrogen. Sea water naturally contains magnesium, and much of the magnesium produced in the U.S. comes from electrolysis of fused magnesium chloride derived from sea water. Perhaps the magnesium in sea water is a boosting factor to hydrogen which allows sea water to burn with a 2,000 degree flame when exposed to John Kanzius's Radio Frequency Generator (see YouTube - John Kanzius - Saltwater Burns ).

Note that positively charged sodium ions and negatively charged chloride ions are the most abundant ions of sea salt, and are the third and fourth most abundant of the 13 constituents of sea water, directly following hydrogen and oxygen, while magnesium is the fifth. We know that sodium, and chloride (from Hydrochloric Acid as a result of volcanic venting to sea water) are both useful in electrolytes. It is a known fact that magnesium will react with diluted acids to liberate hydrogen. Sea water has diluted acids, but overall is slightly more alkaline than human blood on the Ph scale."

It is also interesting to note that technicians experimenting with John Kanzius's method were also able to burn water to which ordinary table salt had been added. I do suspect,though, that sea water would prove to be preferable due to the small amount of magnesium it contains.

Hope that helps explain what is going on with the salt water.

Best, Rickoff

But we don't want to make our engine crammed up in salt, in case it doesn't burn along with the water!

[Aaron]

chemical eec?

I sprayed unrefined sea salt solution on this amplified spark and it is more orangish...I couldn't get a temp reading before and after because the relay on front side is used and abused pretty hard and kept sticking. So anyway, for sure, the spark is more orangish.

Rick, isn't there a good amount of + calcium ions in the sea water too?

I wonder if in application with this plug spark effect that any + charged ions will steal the electrons from the h/o separation allowing more of a real explosion.

Sea water in an engine probably isn't a good idea as far as direct injection and is probably fine if on a water cell side of things for hho production to assist in combustion process. But, is there at least 1 single + ion that can be in a water solution to help prevent re-assembly of h/o back into water? And wouldn't be bad for the internals of an engine?

Machine shop water soluable oil mixed with water can run a diesel engine...with little oil and a lot of water...emulsified.

That is good protection for an engine too probably.

For direct injection of water into a combustion chamber...I wonder if oxidized water soluable oil mixed with water would be oxidized enough to steal the electrons as they're freed from the radiant plasma burst.

This is a chemical way to do it and if Meyer's EEC method can do it electronically...at least we know 2 ways to keep the water from reassembling...allowing for a real motive punch.

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I'm away from home this weekend so my internet access is limited.

I must say that I feel that the use of electrolyte in the water is rubbing me the wrong way and it always has. I know it's going to make a better show but how long will a combustion engine work with salt in it. I don't think for long.

Just so you know I posted this reply to Ossie at the Overunity Forum:

Hi Ossie,

I am having a hard time wording this but I'll give it a try, so please don't be upset if something I write makes you feel bad since that is not my intention here. As you know, I have praised and valued all the work you have done and you have added so much great research to this topic.

Using electrolyte in the water was a direction I was purposely avoiding (not wanting to do). Maybe you did not see the first page post where someone posted this Cold Fusion Plasma 9 Youtube video: YouTube - Cold Fusion Plasma 9 which I deleted since I found it to be off topic. Now once again someone has posted it on this page. I am not impressed by this video demonstration because of the use of electrolyte in the water. I seem to find this to be a form of brute force electrolysis.

I can be wrong and you maybe on the right track and this is what would be needed to make a combustion engine work on water but I am hoping not. How can we expect a normal ICE to last with salt going though it? isn't it going to rust like 30 times faster than just water? It may work in the Lexan engine that I'm presently building but I think I would be testing this last.

Maybe there is something I'm missing or not understanding

Luc

If someone here @Energetic Forum knows what I can be missing or not understanding please let me know about it.

Thank you all for your time and great work in replication.

Luc