Water Sparkplug

[Jetijs]

The larger gap, the more voltage is needed to jump the gap. Usually it takes about 3000v for the arc to jump through 1mm of air. If the air gap is 2mm, then about 6000V are needed. Of course even more voltage is needed to jump across 1mm at higher pressures like in the combustion chamber. But if your gap is about 1mm, then 15kV worth of diodes should be enough

[topangler81]

why that you use 10 amp diodes for the rectifier?. is the circuit draw that much amps?

[Jetijs]

That is just the bridge rectifier that I had in stock. Smaller diodes also should work fine, I used it just to be sure

[topangler81]

i will try to replicate your work, its very simple circuit . hope it will work fine this time. the explosion yesterday still freak me out . my ears still bit deft.

[topangler81]

Hi Jetijs. Are they hi watt resistor needed in oscillator circuit? How many watt they should be?

[topangler81]

Hi Jetijs. Are they high watt resistor needed in oscillator circuit? How many watt they should be?

[nvisser]

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Interesting solution to starting small “waste spark” engines during experimentation.
Al

Aljhoa
Thank you for posting it here. I removed the post as I found that it was at the wrong thread in the middle of a squabble and I was looking for the right place to post it when I found your post.
Do you think the idea can work? If so I will add all the components and build it .
I have got a friend with a 100 plate Boyce cell that produce about 12 lpm on brute force 150V dc and I am sure it is enough to run his 5 kva generator if I can safely get rid of the waste spark.

[Jetijs]

Hi Jetijs. Are they high watt resistor needed in oscillator circuit? How many watt they should be?

Hi
Yes, those 45 Ohm resistors get pretty hot, get at least 10watt resistors then you should do fine. Even though the resistors get got, the oscillator consumes only about 600mA in no load condition, but that also depends on the transformer used.
Good luck!

[topangler81]

Hi
Yes, those 45 Ohm resistors get pretty hot, get at least 10watt resistors then you should do fine. Even though the resistors get got, the oscillator consumes only about 600mA in no load condition, but that also depends on the transformer used.
Good luck!

i wonder why there heat since its only consumes 600mA. about transformer i will use an 12v to 240v transformer in reverse. what are the best transformer for this application.

[Jetijs]

I don't really know about the transformers, so far transformers from old UPS have worked for me, but they are big, a bit an overkill for this project since overall power consumption is 50w max. I tried some small 50VA transformers, but they had the frequency issue, did not work on higher than 100Hz. The best choice would be a ferrite transformer since they can be driven at higher frequencies, can handle lots of power and are small in size. But I don't know where to get those, you probably would need to wind your own coils on ferrite cores.

[topangler81]

when this plasma circuit installed how much power you gain?
YouTube - plasma spark plug testing.
YouTube - plasma spark just before battery exploded
check this video. i capture this just before my battery exploded. some plasma effect. only recorded with my mobile phone.

[Jetijs]

Thank you for the videos
The power gain really depends on a car. So far I have not tested the fuel economy on a car using plasma spark. I just put that on a car and could hear that the idle motor RPM's increased. I also used the plasma spark circuit on a genset and got 7% fuel economy. The real power shows when you combine plasma spark with water steam in the intake as Greg did some pages ago on this same topic. He got 46% fuel economy if I remember correctly
Thanks!
Jetijs

[topangler81]

do you notice that one of this two videos makes bigger and louder plasma spark. i use different inductor. the smaller inductor makes more plasma than the one that use big transformer as inductor. inductance also effecting the plasma. i dont know. i dont have an inductance meter.

[topangler81]

Hi jetijs. Today i will buy parts needed to make oscillator circuit that u posted earlier. Is it ok to use mj2955 as the pnp transistor? Wish me luck.

[aljhoa]

Aljhoa
Thank you for posting it here. I removed the post as I found that it was at the wrong thread in the middle of a squabble and I was looking for the right place to post it when I found your post.
Do you think the idea can work? If so I will add all the components and build it .
I have got a friend with a 100 plate Boyce cell that produce about 12 lpm on brute force 150V dc and I am sure it is enough to run his 5 kva generator if I can safely get rid of the waste spark.

This great idea should work if you are persistent in solving problems, as electronics are not my expertise.
Note that safety is first and that carbureted gasoline A/F mixture may have the same problem inside intake manifold when electronic ignition timing starts failing. Also brut force electrolysis does not produce hydrogen/oxygen mixture that burns with supersonic speed.
Al