Water Sparkplug

[gotoluc]

@everyone,

I think this is a great occasion to share this since the release of the water gasoline engine project video.

Here is a video done by YouTube user: "dreamyear" demonstrating a 50/50 water gasoline mix burning very well and for a longer time than just gasoline alone.

Link: YouTube - 50% water mixed with 50% gasoline

Luc

[peteroks]

50/50

THE 50/50 fuel mix is the next step for the plugs to be tested out on ,in thr test motor- also the choice of plug is wide open for experimenting with-here is the range of options -Directory:Spark Plugs - PESWiki

[Radiant-1]

Spark plug failure...

I tried my first water spark plug today...I got the setup down. I am using a 24v relay and a 1500uf capacitor filled from rectified wall current...I get a long arc from my setup(1500uf cap is strong)...but, when I added the diode I didn't see the gains you are all showing or the cracking sound.
Could my capacitor be too big? Sending to many amps creating too big of a back spike? '
When I put the diode on the arcing stopped all together...so it was shorting through the diode.
I am going to cut the capacitor down to around 160uf...and get some more diodes. Is there anything else I am missing?

[gotoluc]

I tried my first water spark plug today...I got the setup down. I am using a 24v relay and a 1500uf capacitor filled from rectified wall current...I get a long arc from my setup(1500uf cap is strong)...but, when I added the diode I didn't see the gains you are all showing or the cracking sound.
Could my capacitor be too big? Sending to many amps creating too big of a back spike? '
When I put the diode on the arcing stopped all together...so it was shorting through the diode.
I am going to cut the capacitor down to around 160uf...and get some more diodes. Is there anything else I am missing?

Holly smokes Radiant-1,

that is a very large capacitor. I would think your diodes are fried. Get new ones and don't even bother testing them or try to reuse them. Your 160uf cap is even more than you need to see the effect. I use a 6.8uf 250vac (non polarized) cap and have a great spark. Mind you I have a string of 6 1N5408 diodes with that combination.

Cheers

Luc

[rmitoday]

I tried Luc latest schematic successfully got spark. I didn't try with a inductor yet. But when I used SCR to discharge capacitor like Jetijs I didn't got spark. I used MOC3021 optocoupler and BT151 SCR. The SCR was turn on all time. I tried with both full-Rectifier and half-Rectifier. I tested switching circuit with a 110V lamp and it was flashing, but when I connected the capacitor to circuit it was turn on all time. What is the problem with SCR switching?

[Radiant-1]

More power...

@Gotoluc

Ok, thats what I was suspecting
I will lower it down even further, I will start with around 6.8, I have some 1kv diodes left that I will string up in series...15 should be enough right?

@rmitoday
I am unsure because I haven't messed around with it...but if I remember correctly from Aaron's one wire experiment on his youtube...you have to trigger on the negative "inverted triggering".
Hope that helps

[Ahchoooo]

Be Careful!

@everyone,

the link below is a new uploaded video to inform all who maybe interested of the engine project I'm working on at this time.

Video Link: YouTube - Plasma Water & Gasoline Engine Project

Luc

Hi Luc,

Your setup worries me. Make sure there is no excessive pressure inside the glass jar! Your setup does not have any relief valves for the pressure!

James

[Gibs]

Quick charging

Hi Gibs,

...it is a even simpler than the circuit we are working with and is showing a powerful effect.

Did you look at the 2 video's I posted above just after your last post?

Thanks for sharing

Luc

Hi Luc,
The simplicity of the circuit is what makes me go further.
Also another interesting observation is that the secondary caps can be charged almost instantly only by discharging a big enough cap into the primary (2000 uF at 170V).

Maybe a single electrical pulse would do a nice job too, I dont know I did'nt try it yet. And maybe if the pulse length is short enough, the total energy required to get the effect might be less (like in a PWM configuration).

You know, I always compare what's happening in our circuits, with lightning.
As we know, after a bolt of lightning, a lot of the electrical charges remains.

So if the pulse is short enough in duration, we might be able to benefit from the full arcing potential without using all the charge. Without being totally discharged, a capacitor can be recharged more quickly.

I've seen both of your vids and they are great! Thanks for sharing.


Thanks for the link Peterocks. Very interesting, I saved it to my favorites.

Best for all

[gotoluc]

@Gotoluc

Ok, thats what I was suspecting
I will lower it down even further, I will start with around 6.8, I have some 1kv diodes left that I will string up in series...15 should be enough right?

Hi Radiant-1, if you use 15 diodes the 6.8uf may not be enough to get the intense spark since I said I used only 6 with the 6.8uf combination. Go between 33uf to 100uf if you want to use a 15 diode string.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc,

Your setup worries me. Make sure there is no excessive pressure inside the glass jar! Your setup does not have any relief valves for the pressure!

James

Hi Ahchoooo, yes it should worry those who know of waters expansion by heat. I did not mention it in the video but the lid of the Jar is not a perfect seal, it will leak any pressure builds up around the lid or allow air back in when it cools.

Thanks for bringing up this very important safety point.

Luc

[Peter Lindemann]

Read the whole thread!!!

@Gotoluc

Ok, thats what I was suspecting
I will lower it down even further, I will start with around 6.8, I have some 1kv diodes left that I will string up in series...15 should be enough right?

@rmitoday
I am unsure because I haven't messed around with it...but if I remember correctly from Aaron's one wire experiment on his youtube...you have to trigger on the negative "inverted triggering".
Hope that helps

Radiant-1,

I hate to say this, because you are a really enthusiastic guy, but you really should read this entire thread before proceeding. There are many YouTube videos linked in as we all learned from each other to build this thread. Take a day, and learn everything up to this point. Then replicate some of the early circuits and see what this is. Then come back in and add to the thread.

In other forums you may be able to just jump in, because nobody ever gets anything done in those other forums. Over here, we are all building things and learning from each other as we go. These threads are an archive of the project and the progress that has happened from the beginning!

If you read the whole thread and view the YouTube videos link from here, you can answer all of your own questions and come up to speed very quickly.

Thanks, and welcome aboard!

Peter

[Gre]

Has anyone tried testing plasma ignition of vapor in some type of vacuum chamber? I was thinking since vacuum (and pressure) seem to change some properties of water (and seem to assist in electrolysis), maybe plasma ignition would work better? Someone's probably already tried this... I'm also curious about the implosion and explosion affects of h2o, if someone has a link i'd appreciate it. Thanks.

[Kinetix]

Gibs, somebody on this forum has allready shown that a capacitor of 4uF discharges through a plasma spark in about 100us. That's less than a half from an classic inductive spark. If you want to shorten this spark time, it would probably become too short...
Anyway, with a good home made DC-DC converter you will charge that capacitor in allmost no time. Mine is made with a NE555, works at 33KHz, and charges 9.4uF in about 2.3ms, at 320V. It needs less than 1ms to charge a 4.7uF at the same voltage.

gotoluc, I think that the number of diodes we need to put in a string depends on two parameters: the voltage applied (discharged by the capacitor) and the air spark gap used. I think the value of the capacitor must be related first to the amperage of the diodes used in string.
Thank you for that link with water-gasoline mixture. It is my goal also, but I intend to use steam added in carburetor along with gas, but not mixed as a liquid. The steam enters the air way, and the gasoline enters through carburetor, as normally. They are mixed after the throttle plate, in the manifold.

All the best for all.

[goldenequity]

New Thread

I decided to start up a new thread rather that start a side dialog here on Aaron's plasma circuit thread.... but it's relevant to where Luc, Peter/Aaron, Jetijs and others are going with blended fuel/plasma/small engines.
Please feel free to take a look ... it's been bugging me for days!!!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post27260

you all rock

[gotoluc]

gotoluc, I think that the number of diodes we need to put in a string depends on two parameters: the voltage applied (discharged by the capacitor) and the air spark gap used. I think the value of the capacitor must be related first to the amperage of the diodes used in string.
Thank you for that link with water-gasoline mixture. It is my goal also, but I intend to use steam added in carburetor along with gas, but not mixed as a liquid. The steam enters the air way, and the gasoline enters through carburetor, as normally. They are mixed after the throttle plate, in the manifold.

All the best for all.

Hi Kinetix, I very much agree with what you are saying about the diodes. That is why I encourage everyone to test and find the combination that works best for their own circuit.

The reason I don't want to use the carburetor (other than just the throttle plate) for fuel control is they don't vaporize fuel. My belief is, if you want optimal ignition (close to 100% burn) with minimal energy to ignite it (plasma spark) I think having gases in a vapor state will burn with less energy than a gas in liquid state. I could be wrong since I'm also not a chemist. The system I propose will use the energy normally wasted (exhaust) to prepare the input fuel (water & gas) in many ways. One is, if we are imputing water vapor then we are also outputting water vapor in the exhaust. So by using the exhaust we are recollecting the water, using the heat to heat the water for it to turn to vapor, using the the exhaust air to vigorously mix the water and fuel together with the bubbles, using the Stainless pot scrubbers to brake the bubbles over their large surface area which will turn liquid to vapor very easily and ready for intake. I love this system since it is what kind of goes on in Nature!...Water (fuel), Sun (exhaust heat), Earth (scrubber surface), Lightning, (plasma spark) and Rain (collecting exhaust output)

I think that when we get closer to mimicking Nature in our inventions, the closer we will be to free energy.

&

Luc