Water Sparkplug

[Ozicell]

Inspired of Ozicell video's, I posted a video on youtube to get the real effect on plasma ignition system. We can show the original ignition spark and compare to plasma ignition. Still by using 47 uF 250 volt with power AC supplied 220 V (0.45 A). The 2nd spark plug connected in seri to the original spark plug. In this setup we could view the real spark effect. Now, I'm sure this setup runs on high frequency based on engine's RPM. Capacitor could not fully charged at high frequency. I though small capacitant in high voltage capacitor is better for such application.

YouTube - Motorcycle Plasma Ignition (Clear Effect)

regard,
Revizal.

Great video Rev. to me you're the inspiration!

Cheers

[Ansis Freimanis]

Thank You revizal!

Plasma ignition is the key. After that we can make more experiments and find something new. Without plasma it is naive to think about anything else.

[Aaron]

schematic

Hi Revizal,

Great work! Can you post the exact schematic you have on that bike?

Inspired of Ozicell video's, I posted a video on youtube to get the real effect on plasma ignition system. We can show the original ignition spark and compare to plasma ignition. Still by using 47 uF 250 volt with power AC supplied 220 V (0.45 A). The 2nd spark plug connected in seri to the original spark plug. In this setup we could view the real spark effect. Now, I'm sure this setup runs on high frequency based on engine's RPM. Capacitor could not fully charged at high frequency. I though small capacitant in high voltage capacitor is better for such application.

YouTube - Motorcycle Plasma Ignition (Clear Effect)

regard,
Revizal.

[revizal]

My Plasma Ignition circuit on Yamaha Mio

Hi Revizal,

Great work! Can you post the exact schematic you have on that bike?

Hi Aaron. Here is the actual circuit on my motorcycle.


Rev.

[CitizenDC]

Ignition Leads

Hello All,

If you are running the water spark plug in an engine consider upgrading to resistor-less ignition leads. Standard leads usually have rather high resistance (2k omh) for EMF suppression.

All the best!

[Aaron]

plug leads

I'm using high performance leads and they still were a little over 5k ohms.

Using the Kiker type tubes for the plug leads really is appealing. For my tests now, I have the plug anode attached directly to the ignition coil secondary via a few inches of copper tube.

[Ozicell]

nology

I'm using high performance leads and they still were a little over 5k ohms.

Using the Kiker type tubes for the plug leads really is appealing. For my tests now, I have the plug anode attached directly to the ignition coil secondary via a few inches of copper tube.

Hi Guys,
Still looking into nology hotwires. I am wondering whether a maraige between Nology HW and Kikers is possible and what possible results may be!

Cheers

[gotoluc]

I had some CRT flybacks and cut off the wire lead to use. The inside wire is solid and has no resistance. The shielding is also rated at 40,000 volts.

Luc

[gmeast]

new video of signature trace

Hi all,

As I said I would do in a recent reply, I have posted a new video showing the unique wave form characteristic of the water spark plug circuit discharge cycle. Please note the time period in the video is 250u-sec per division so the signature is not casually apparent. My new Gotoluc-Lindemann circuit version operates at 60 Hz and is powered by two Mosfet packages triggered by integral opto-isolated inputs. These inputs are excited by two external resistor divider networks phased 180 deg. from each other via the full bridge rectifier. At present I am still limited to lower voltages and currents by the inrush ratings of the Mosfets. I will be reverting to triacs for the generator set tests however. They have an 800V rating.

The new video is located here:

YouTube - sgnature trace

Thanks. Peace,

Greg

[UncleFester]

Hi Guys,
Still looking into nology hotwires. I am wondering whether a maraige between Nology HW and Kikers is possible and what possible results may be!

Cheers

Hi Ozi,

We've run Kiker and Nology wires. They both work better than any others. The Kiker's we have are basically just copper coil tubing coiled up and coated with a thick silicone sheath. I popped a 1200V @ 400A (2500A Pulsed) SCR running 280 Joules of energy across the output across a Kiker. It ablated the stock champion plug a bit but was fun to watch The FS plugs should be in production shortly and will require a minimum of 1 joule plasma driver in order for a large increase in mileage and horsepower. Lean mixtures will be used in this application (similar to other super lean-burn engines), but temperatures won't be an issue because of the plasma effect on the combustion process.

[Ozicell]

Hi Ozi,

We've run Kiker and Nology wires. They both work better than any others. The Kiker's we have are basically just copper coil tubing coiled up and coated with a thick silicone sheath. I popped a 1200V @ 400A (2500A Pulsed) SCR running 280 Joules of energy across the output across a Kiker. It ablated the stock champion plug a bit but was fun to watch The FS plugs should be in production shortly and will require a minimum of 1 joule plasma driver in order for a large increase in mileage and horsepower. Lean mixtures will be used in this application (similar to other super lean-burn engines), but temperatures won't be an issue because of the plasma effect on the combustion process.

G'day UncleFester,

Thanks for getting back to me........Wow!! Tell me, are you involved with FS or just playing with your own replications? I'd love to compare notes sometime! I asked Sigma whether the Nology could be used with Pulstar plugs as they sell them and I happen to have a set. They said yes, so my next thought is even though Pulstar have a resistor in them, they may be worth modifying into a FS replication. What are your thoughts on this? My own tests definitely prove that the have more punch!

Cheers
Jeff

[UncleFester]

G'day UncleFester,

Thanks for getting back to me........Wow!! Tell me, are you involved with FS or just playing with your own replications? I'd love to compare notes sometime! I asked Sigma whether the Nology could be used with Pulstar plugs as they sell them and I happen to have a set. They said yes, so my next thought is even though Pulstar have a resistor in them, they may be worth modifying into a FS replication. What are your thoughts on this? My own tests definitely prove that the have more punch!

Cheers
Jeff

I was hired to help with the electronics and machining and testing of the plug prototypes before they are put into production. The resistor hinders the effect of water explosion greatly but dampens the transients. For gasoline combustion this is no problem, although the plasma effect is only obtained with more energy in this higher resistance path. I would not have blown the large SCR if I had been running a resistor plug and wires, but then again, the plasma effect appears to be damped by at least two orders of magnitude when running a high resistance path. SCR's seem to handle almost any power level as long as a reverse biased diode and MOV is placed into the circuit, so at that point we just have to handle the issue with providing enough power to fully charge the cap every time.

Also a capacitor in place of the diode string appears to work better, but increases stress even further on the silicon switches of any type. I believe the reason for this is that the transients become more intense under these conditions, but I could be wrong. I suppose I can try just placing an HV cap in series with the HV discharge path and see how much it increases the discharge. I have been afraid of placing our very expensive Tektronics scope around the circuit while it's working with the capacitor across the primary positive and HV output.

[tstorey]

"Water combustion..".temperature observed effect

All,

studied Lee's water spark plug IV video for the last week. I will ramble about what might be happening as I think it might help with all of your great work.


In Lee's vid.

Stage one "regular spark."(yawn)

Stage two HV is hooked up and we have the effect without the addition of water spray. The effect is small and the color may vary from the effect with water, but appears the same with size as the only difference.

Without water spray you have a loud shock wave and a significant light emission.

If left to study the effect without water spray an attempt would be made to measure the thermal component of the effect. The spectral component, the shock wave and effect on measuring instruments. As the "water free" version is so much smaller, it tends to be ignored.

It is however speaking quite clearly. Yes, there is atmospheric H20 in the work shops and an argument can be made for this atmospheric H20 to be the source of the Hydrogen that is "feeding" the effect. This is a reasonable assumption as the other side of this atmospheric H20 assumption is further out in left field....maybe more the like the parking lot really.

For whatever scientific reason this spark is creating "some" atomic hydrogen.
This would be electrons colliding with protons in the discharge sequence. I will say that the water free effect is just a smaller version of the main event.I will conclude that the "safe" version of events that is supplied by "atmospheric H20" is perhaps, only a secondary contributor to the light emission and shock wave.

Until knocked out by more findings I will state I think the effect can be explained by the recombination of a small amount of atomic hydrogen atoms into diatomic hydrogen molecules H2. This fusion is one of nature's pocket rockets...ie small in size but really big in energy content.

This allows for a shock wave and light emission to be explained.

Now we add water. The effect seems to be disassociating the H20 into H which also recombines thus making the little effect "bigger."

Now Lee sprays the operating trodes with water and "drowns" the effect. I'm asking you guys why isn't this thing hot? Why does it take such an effort on the part of the "effect" to get that water that it is supposed to be "exploding" off of the trode? It just shuts down.

The lack of heat is a big deal and is an important marker in this research. For the following reason. If you are asking the water to act like fuel and you are asking the plug to act like a fuel ignitor that is fine and is being proven out with carbon fuels.....BUT, what if that is only a side effect of what is happening? Perhaps it is a fraction of what is happening, but maybe the approach could be varied to better suit the attempt to get this spark and some good old 100% tap water to earn a living?

One thing I do know. The instant the hydrogen is created in whatever way, it dissipates. This stuff travels as fast as anything in the galaxy. It does not hang around to be "exploded" or pressurized or manipulated or recombined.

Hydrogen is being created by this effect in whatever way. I suggest that at least 70% is gone before it can contribute to the effect and that the effect is "mostly" recombination energy.



Best to all, (sorry for the book)

T

[Jetijs]

Hello all
I tried many things to get the reed switch to work fine on the 300v side, I even tried to limit the cap charge to 200v using some zener diodes and a transistor, but that did not help either. So I decided to get a optocoupler with a DIAC on the output that can handle up to 600v. This optocoupler was then used to trigger the SCR and the reedswitch was now on the 12v side. After all this is the circuit I have now:



So I made a video about how this circuit behaves on a gas generator. Here it is:

YouTube - Water spark test on a gas generator

You can hear how the RPM's go up when I power ON my variac and how they go down when the variac is turned OFF. This does not happen instantly, because of the heavy flywheel. The booster cap voltage was about 300-400V, did not measure yet, but I will try go up to 800v, my voltage quadrupler should handle that. The throttle on the generator is fixed down.

[gotoluc]

Great job Jetijs

as always excellent work and video presentation.

I assume the trimming was left at BTDC as a standard gas engine?

Hopefully I will have mine running Friday this week. I have the ability to adjust timing on the fly from BTDC to ATDC and also have a circuit to remove the waste spark.

If it all works I'll post the results and video.

Luc