Water Sparkplug

[Kinetix]

rosco1, thanks for your information about "HAJI". I will do a "net research" later.
I have been played a little with plasma type sparks, and even tryied on my car.
Unfortunately, I used strings of diodes that didn't do a good job. Now I am looking for NTE517 diodes, but they are expensive and hard to obtain in my area.
Anyway, the photo I posted is taken from a certain forum (I don't remember exactly which one). Maybe the user "Capacitor70", maybe another user posted it. I think gotoluc should know better. As far as I know, it is a device that consist of a normal sparkplug, a ball and spring valve and a small combustion chamber inside the threaded part. At the bottom it has 4 holes, like some fuel injectors have.
I am not shure if it was used HHO, Hidrogen only, or water mist. If it is the last one, it could probably be used together with a plasma spark system to obtain the plasma jet effect in the engine's cylinder.
If it could work that way, then there is no need for a hidrogen booster, or an electrolyser of any type. The water mist (or, maybe, hot steam) in the tiny combustion chamber exploded with a plasma spark will do the job.
Waiting and looking for some more information about the eficiency of the device.
Thanks.

[rosco1]

Kinetix,

rosco1, thanks for your information about "HAJI". I will do a "net research" later.
I have been played a little with plasma type sparks, and even tryied on my car.
Unfortunately, I used strings of diodes that didn't do a good job. Now I am looking for NTE517 diodes, but they are expensive and hard to obtain in my area.
Anyway, the photo I posted is taken from a certain forum (I don't remember exactly which one). Maybe the user "Capacitor70", maybe another user posted it. I think gotoluc should know better. As far as I know, it is a device that consist of a normal sparkplug, a ball and spring valve and a small combustion chamber inside the threaded part. At the bottom it has 4 holes, like some fuel injectors have.
I am not shure if it was used HHO, Hidrogen only, or water mist. If it is the last one, it could probably be used together with a plasma spark system to obtain the plasma jet effect in the engine's cylinder.
If it could work that way, then there is no need for a hidrogen booster, or an electrolyser of any type. The water mist (or, maybe, hot steam) in the tiny combustion chamber exploded with a plasma spark will do the job.
Waiting and looking for some more information about the eficiency of the device.
Thanks.

I think what you're trying to build, is the very basis of what was made by Aquapulser, in their RPG4700 unit. I may be wrong, but I think their unit is a direct spin off from that concept.

Aquapulser have beefed up the whole thing to make it more efficient too, and it'll take a 50 amp spike, which means it's more suited to car use, in that the alternator is now eliminated as a problem when excited.

Do look at HAJI, indepth, it's a very good approach. I might even adopt it myself, that's how much I like it.

[winn1971]

Resistor size

There is a 1 ohm 100w Caddock resister to protect the inverter. Also R1 is a Caddock resister. This will require either a large heat sink or use of a metal case with the resistors mounted to it.

Hi Shane,
are the resistors in parallel with the diodes 500Kohms or 500ohms only. I assume they're 1/2W rated? pls confirm. thanks.

[gmeast]

what inverters have been tried?

Hi,

This is directed mostly to Shane.

Hi Shane or anyone else listening, which inverters have been tried with your version of the Vexus circuit? I know I never could get any store-bought inverter to survive ... that's why I fell in love with the Transistor circuit that someone posted and I tuned up for the job ... I still think it's bulletproof.

And on another point, before I liquidated everything I hooked up a diode string of generics and ran the Vexus circuit and noticed only a slight percentage drop in the voltage tension on the plug (hah!, "tension", old school). Of course my Xsistor oscillator/inverter was running at 425VDC (rectified) on a 2uF oil filled cap ... and that certainly helps with efficiency ... ask Tesla.

Good luck all,

Greg

[jimaerso]

Greg:
Do you still have the firestorm replicas for sale?
I'm interested in purchasing if they are still available.
Jim

[gmeast]

plugs

Greg:
Do you still have the firestorm replicas for sale?
I'm interested in purchasing if they are still available.
Jim

Yes they are still available and I'll sell the lot for $175.00.

Greg

[jimaerso]

Firestorm plugs for sale

Greg:
I hope they will fit into a 6 cyl ford windstar engine.
If so, How do I get you the money?
Jim

[eternalightwithin]

So sad, come on guys.

So I read this entire thread over 4 days. Took 2 days off of work so I had the time )
Much excitement and activity for so long and now??

There are always setbacks on the path of life.

I would like to point out some things to help everyone maintain perspective.
1. Firestorm plug show increased cleaning and burning ability at ~1 joule.
2. Jmeast got 40%+ mpg with regular sparkplug and plasma circuit. Low plug wear.
3. .... I forgot

So everything that has happened so far is just the beginning. We're only getting our feet wet here! I can think of several diverging paths to take based on all this info.

I am disheartened by the .. "human nature" that has crept into the firestorm plug and the bad economy causing gmeast and other trouble.

Still I viewed cragslist yesterday and plan to get a 15-19HP motor from a disabled lawn rider. I will start at the basics by using the sciencetific method and objectively & systematically trying different setups to get
good fuel economy.

Sincerenly,

David Piel

[gmeast]

firestorm plug can almost do it with just vapor added

Hi all,

One of the last things I tested was running through a tank of gas using just Water Vapor and the Firestorm plugs. It was almost as good as with the plasma spark. I am certain, however, that to run on just water will require the extra energy of the plasma spark.

Greg

So I read this entire thread over 4 days. Took 2 days off of work so I had the time )
Much excitement and activity for so long and now??

There are always setbacks on the path of life.

I would like to point out some things to help everyone maintain perspective.
1. Firestorm plug show increased cleaning and burning ability at ~1 joule.
2. Jmeast got 40%+ mpg with regular sparkplug and plasma circuit. Low plug wear.
3. .... I forgot

So everything that has happened so far is just the beginning. We're only getting our feet wet here! I can think of several diverging paths to take based on all this info.

I am disheartened by the .. "human nature" that has crept into the firestorm plug and the bad economy causing gmeast and other trouble.

Still I viewed cragslist yesterday and plan to get a 15-19HP motor from a disabled lawn rider. I will start at the basics by using the sciencetific method and objectively & systematically trying different setups to get
good fuel economy.

Sincerenly,

David Piel

[sebosfato]

YouTube - 24102009001

[CitizenDC]

Hi all,

I just wanted to share an unsettling experience I just had with eBay.

I have compiled two DVD discs, one is a DVD with a menu and all and a DVD data disc of my work. I placed them on eBy for $20.00 for the two-disc set, free shipping, etc. But this morning I was notified that I am in violation of copyright infringement under their policy and my listing was removed. If I do it again then my account will be closed. Holy crap ! One of the schematics shown in the listing photos shows the words "Copyright" and my full name.

Anyone know anything about eBay bullying people like this? What kind of case do I have? I can produce the camera and all of the raw footage from which the video was compiled plus the drawings, schematics, etc. What a kick in the groin.

Thanks for listening,

Greg

I Gmeast,

Sorry to hear about those tactics being used against you.
I'd recommend setting up your own website and selling the cd's from there.
I've read alot of problems folks run into when they have something that can change things.

cheers!

[eternalightwithin]

Questions

1. Trying to find out how much a joule is in watts. So I'm converting joules to coulombs and the to ampere*sec. Then plug into P=IV .

2. I read through this whole thread and in two people come to mind. One did "hefty" booster cap and got wear after several hundred miles. The other did less capacitance (pF?) and had almost no wear after 700? miles.
Is it safe to assume the second person was using ~ 1 joule?

3. What IS the normal power going through a spark plug at each firing?

The reason why I ask these questions is that I want to replicate this plasma at the same energy levels as a regular spark emission. Since both this effect and the tapping of environmental energy relies on a sharp HV discharge, then I should be able to get plasma and high Lorentz forces without increased spark play wear due to excessive current.

Going to start with a 2n3055 in a 1kVA MOT and go from there.
If positive result I'll probably finalize system with this schematic

DC-DC Buck Converter Operated in Boost Mode for High Voltage

Sincerely,

David P

[rosco1]

David,

1. Trying to find out how much a joule is in watts. So I'm converting joules to coulombs and the to ampere*sec. Then plug into P=IV .

2. I read through this whole thread and in two people come to mind. One did "hefty" booster cap and got wear after several hundred miles. The other did less capacitance (pF?) and had almost no wear after 700? miles.
Is it safe to assume the second person was using ~ 1 joule?

3. What IS the normal power going through a spark plug at each firing?

The reason why I ask these questions is that I want to replicate this plasma at the same energy levels as a regular spark emission. Since both this effect and the tapping of environmental energy relies on a sharp HV discharge, then I should be able to get plasma and high Lorentz forces without increased spark play wear due to excessive current.

Going to start with a 2n3055 in a 1kVA MOT and go from there.
If positive result I'll probably finalize system with this schematic

DC-DC Buck Converter Operated in Boost Mode for High Voltage

Sincerely,

David P

Spark plugs aren't made to go to .5 joule, let alone 1 joule, once you get up to around .5, expect extremely rapid deterioration.

Even .5 joule is too far. The plug materials simply cannot handle it.

I just pulled a set of resistorless(test) Brisk Premium LGS plugs(HO14LGS) out of my test engine today, and they'd done less than 5000klm, yet the silver electrodes were drastically eaten away, which simply tells me that they don't like the power output of the RPG 4700 radiant plasma unit, which runs a 4.7 UF cap.

I'll ask the questions of Brisk as per the purity of their silver, as my custom made silver electrode FireStorms still appear as new after 10,000klm, so yeah, this was a surprise.

I'd even retarded the timing by 2 degrees(from factory), but alas, that wasn't enough to save them.

Hope this helps...

[eternalightwithin]

I googled spark plug energy today. It said that in 0.2mJ need for stoic. mixture. Up to 3mJ for very rich/lean mixtures. So yeah, 1 Joule is retarded.

http://www.energeticforum.com/newrep...uote=1&p=72876

David P

[Kinetix]

clarification

Hello, everybody.
Guys, I think there is something misunderstud here.
Speaking about the spark energy needed to fire the mixture, a minimum of 20mJ is enough. But that doesn't mean that it's good to have ignition systems that deliver only 20mJ to each spark. Not at all. In regular systems, the spark energy is around 80-120mj.
Another matter to be discused is what type of spark do we have. Regular ignition systems have a high voltage-low amperage spark, that has not the ability to burn water. Plasma type systems have a low voltage-high amperage spark, that can explode water. But they can both have the same energy. The difference is that plasma type is triggerred by a small high voltage spark, but the most of the energy is discharged as low voltage-high amperage.
Anyway, I agree with you, rosco1, that the 4.7uF cap may be too big. Charged at 450V, it deliveres 475mJ on each spark, and that is alot of energy I think. You may try to replace it with a smaller capacitor, let's say a 2.2uF, to obtain a half of that energy. Let's hope with good results in boosting the power and in smaller wear off in sparkplugs.
Cheers.