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[QUOTE=Allcanadian;85234]@rosco1
So nobody aided you but you have admitted to "studying" the firestorm concept and "researching" plasma?
**FireStorm is completely and utterly different to what we did, it bears no similarity whatsoever, so how can that be related to what we wound up eventually doing? I think you're quite off your head. You're sort of implying that just because I've used regular spark plugs in my engine over the course of time, that I must have "learned" something from this mere point.
My FireStorm plugs were custom made to my very own specifications, so how did I copy someone else idea. My electrodes were completely different from the ones others were attempting to use, so again, I went an altogether route from the norm.
Spark is to plasma as apples are to oranges. They are nothing alike, so anything learned of one, bears no relationship to what you find with the other. Plain fact!
Do some hands on research for yourself to determine this. I'll caution this advice though, when you step over into plasma, you MUST set aside everything you thought you knew and start with a fresh palate, or else you'll not get far, as again, these are 2 completely different animals, and where you "think" you know what's going to happen, quite often you'll be disappointed when an altogether different result transpires.
My plasma reasearch was all done inhouse, there was nothing really learned by browsing online, again, I urge you to point out where this material can be found online and please post the links here, for I'd sure like to see them.
For the record, I've been running plasma every day for more than 1 year, probably closer to 2 years, with a variety of different ignitions as triggers, as well as different types of innovative spark plugs, some custom made and some off the shelf, even with the "Nascent Plug", so I think this qualifies me to make statements on plasma as I've simply been dealing with it on an every day basis, successfully, for a lot longer than most other people.
Hey, I get people forwarded onto me by others, to sort out their plasma woes, and I always try to help out where I can, if I can.
I never actually had access to the internet when the "Nascent Plug" manifested, it happens that when I was tasked with finding a suitable plasma plug solution, we were in the middle of shifting house, and I was offline for about 7 weeks when this design was devised.
I can add that Moose53 was instrumental in bringing this design to life though, as his advanced machining skills were paramount in getting the design off the drawing board and into reality, thus, that is why we refer to our result as a collective success, we each had a part in it's making, so we can each take the credit for it. This is why you see I write the word "we" whenever I write about this stuff. We are a team, and we don't do anything without the express consent of the other members. Strange but true.
Does all this studying and research of others work not constitute aid or does all the literature you have studied and researched to get to this point count for nothing?
**Again, what "others" work, what "literature"? I went further with FireStorm than practically anyone else at the time, and my FireStorm plugs outlive even those of the actual inventor, at least that's what I've heard, so again, how can what I've learned from others be interpreted as being advantageous when my own efforts eclipsed the efforts of those others?
Plasma is an altogether different animal, and again, try to do a little research for yourself on the subject, but don't be surprised when you learn that there's nothing much out there to study. You just have to do it for yourself sometimes, you can't just hope to flick open a web page and have all the answers jump out at you. Scoot into the local library and see if they have any books of worth, then let me know.
You must first buy or build a suitable pressure chamber, to mimic the conditions found inside an actual combustion chamber, then you must test to see what happens when you make certain modifications to a plug, and fire it in the same conditions as we know to be apparent inside a working engine. You tell me how many people here are doing this.
Open air firings are completely useless, and no data from these are valid, the tests must be conducted in actual real life conditions, under pressure. These facts escape most people and you'll note that most people here fire their plugs in open air, then later on, when they screw the plug into an engine and it fails, they don't have the slightest clue as to why. Testing, testing, testing, under real life conditions is the only way to learn.
The problem is you think I am accusing you of copying or stealing something when I am not, this is called paranoia and relates to the fear I refered to in my last post.
**Alas, re-read your 1st post, you have accused us of taking advantage of material that we did not discover and using it for ourselves, and you again seem to make the same claims again in this post, that's not paranoia, it's simply being able to read plain english.
It does not gall me that you think nobody aided you in your discovery in any way, in fact just the opposite, I would call it sorrow that you believe this.
**To be frank, I think you're dilusional, but that's beside the point. It obviously does gall you to think people can have fresh and innovative new ideas, so for that I can't apologise, for that's just the way it is.
In any case what I think has no bearing on you or what you may have discovered and I wish you the best of luck.
**Exactly, your opinion doesn't matter to us, but thank you for the encouragement anyway, if that's what you're really trying to impart.
Look on this post as the last I'll make to you, accept it as a win for you if you like, you're the winner ok!
[QUOTE=Allcanadian;85234]@rosco1
So nobody aided you but you have admitted to "studying" the firestorm concept and "researching" plasma?
**FireStorm is completely and utterly different to what we did, it bears no similarity whatsoever, so how can that be related to what we wound up eventually doing? I think you're quite off your head. You're sort of implying that just because I've used regular spark plugs in my engine over the course of time, that I must have "learned" something from this mere point.
My FireStorm plugs were custom made to my very own specifications, so how did I copy someone else idea. My electrodes were completely different from the ones others were attempting to use, so again, I went an altogether route from the norm.
Spark is to plasma as apples are to oranges. They are nothing alike, so anything learned of one, bears no relationship to what you find with the other. Plain fact!
Do some hands on research for yourself to determine this. I'll caution this advice though, when you step over into plasma, you MUST set aside everything you thought you knew and start with a fresh palate, or else you'll not get far, as again, these are 2 completely different animals, and where you "think" you know what's going to happen, quite often you'll be disappointed when an altogether different result transpires.
My plasma reasearch was all done inhouse, there was nothing really learned by browsing online, again, I urge you to point out where this material can be found online and please post the links here, for I'd sure like to see them.
For the record, I've been running plasma every day for more than 1 year, probably closer to 2 years, with a variety of different ignitions as triggers, as well as different types of innovative spark plugs, some custom made and some off the shelf, even with the "Nascent Plug", so I think this qualifies me to make statements on plasma as I've simply been dealing with it on an every day basis, successfully, for a lot longer than most other people.
Hey, I get people forwarded onto me by others, to sort out their plasma woes, and I always try to help out where I can, if I can.
I never actually had access to the internet when the "Nascent Plug" manifested, it happens that when I was tasked with finding a suitable plasma plug solution, we were in the middle of shifting house, and I was offline for about 7 weeks when this design was devised.
I can add that Moose53 was instrumental in bringing this design to life though, as his advanced machining skills were paramount in getting the design off the drawing board and into reality, thus, that is why we refer to our result as a collective success, we each had a part in it's making, so we can each take the credit for it. This is why you see I write the word "we" whenever I write about this stuff. We are a team, and we don't do anything without the express consent of the other members. Strange but true.
Does all this studying and research of others work not constitute aid or does all the literature you have studied and researched to get to this point count for nothing?
**Again, what "others" work, what "literature"? I went further with FireStorm than practically anyone else at the time, and my FireStorm plugs outlive even those of the actual inventor, at least that's what I've heard, so again, how can what I've learned from others be interpreted as being advantageous when my own efforts eclipsed the efforts of those others?
Plasma is an altogether different animal, and again, try to do a little research for yourself on the subject, but don't be surprised when you learn that there's nothing much out there to study. You just have to do it for yourself sometimes, you can't just hope to flick open a web page and have all the answers jump out at you. Scoot into the local library and see if they have any books of worth, then let me know.
You must first buy or build a suitable pressure chamber, to mimic the conditions found inside an actual combustion chamber, then you must test to see what happens when you make certain modifications to a plug, and fire it in the same conditions as we know to be apparent inside a working engine. You tell me how many people here are doing this.
Open air firings are completely useless, and no data from these are valid, the tests must be conducted in actual real life conditions, under pressure. These facts escape most people and you'll note that most people here fire their plugs in open air, then later on, when they screw the plug into an engine and it fails, they don't have the slightest clue as to why. Testing, testing, testing, under real life conditions is the only way to learn.
The problem is you think I am accusing you of copying or stealing something when I am not, this is called paranoia and relates to the fear I refered to in my last post.
**Alas, re-read your 1st post, you have accused us of taking advantage of material that we did not discover and using it for ourselves, and you again seem to make the same claims again in this post, that's not paranoia, it's simply being able to read plain english.
It does not gall me that you think nobody aided you in your discovery in any way, in fact just the opposite, I would call it sorrow that you believe this.
**To be frank, I think you're dilusional, but that's beside the point. It obviously does gall you to think people can have fresh and innovative new ideas, so for that I can't apologise, for that's just the way it is.
In any case what I think has no bearing on you or what you may have discovered and I wish you the best of luck.
**Exactly, your opinion doesn't matter to us, but thank you for the encouragement anyway, if that's what you're really trying to impart.
Look on this post as the last I'll make to you, accept it as a win for you if you like, you're the winner ok!
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