Water Sparkplug

[gotoluc]

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Luc

theWIKWIPmaker | August 19, 2010

OK, now I want to give to Mankind a great Present!
Now I give you all my Input without any return!
The majority of you are using still a damned Spark Plug. Why? Every video show the same problem. I see always a mist between the electrodes or water film on them. And al the spark plugs are arranged horizontal on tables or turned with the electrodes to the sky. Some of you had the idea to conduct some vapour to the Gap. Forget these pleas! It is the wrong way!
I recognized immediately that this is your main problem.
Now listen to me! Forget al spark plugs and create a totally new one!
If you want to hold water on or between the electrodes you should use a sponge! I solved with my WIK-WIP a second problem that you al have with your spark plugs still our days. My WIK-WIP can conduct through the plus electrode water and will charge the tungsten sponge after each ionisation immediately with water. As you can se in the video, I have no Tungsten-Sponge.
The problem is nobody can buy the tungsten filter. They are still not produced! And therefore nobody have a chance to make experiments with them.
I think we can convince some special companies who work with tungsten to start a mass production for us. A sponge of tungsten will be better. But there can be also a problem with them too. Tungsten will react with hot oxygen to tungsten three oxide and will not live too long as we want. I don't know! I hope the water from the inside will cool the heating area. We can also protect the surface of the tungsten sponge by galvanizing them with platinum.
The Discharge works with:
-massive avalanche of ionisation
-UV-arrays from the Plasma
-separation of water by 1700°C
It's a electrolysis, photolysis, thermolysis.
The metal sponge made of tungsten, suck the water through his body and hold it still the ionisation start.
Between the sponge and the mass electrode the current start to flow and the water begins to evaporate caused by the rapid increasing temperature. The great part of the sponge is now shooting by very fast electrons that come from the big discharging. The electrons create a massive avalanche of ionisation to the water molecules. In this avalanche are appearing a lot of hydrogen and oxygen atoms and also "damaged" Water molecules. They are not really damaged but they lose some electrons. So they get radical. At the same time appears the plasma with the UV arrays which is now shooting again to the water molecules and to the radicals. At the same time the area gets hotter then 1700°C. At this temperature the water molecules will separate also in H² and O². Now the mixture reaches a critical point because there are a lot of Hydrogen and Oxygen in it. Suddenly it starts to burn. It burns very fast and causes a big explosive pressure. The surface of the sponge is now nearly free from water. But the water flow immediately from the inside to the surface and file it up. And the next tact can start again.
I don't know which circuit is the best and more efficient to run the WIK-WIP. I'm not expert!
But there is one think that everybody should think abut:
The WIK-WIP needs a great discharge to create a good ionization and to produce great plasmas.
Only the ionisation of water in combination with the plasma produces the pressure which we need for our engines and nothing else!

I think the Water as Fuel-Technology will change the world.
It will create a world without pollution and poverty!

Pleas continue this good work!
Many Thanks to capacitor70, s1r9a9m9, gotoluc, glotoniok and all the other good man!

[gmeast]

Here is what theWIKWIPmaker has written about his sparkplug design

Luc

theWIKWIPmaker | August 19, 2010

OK, now I want to give to Mankind a great Present!
Now I give you all my Input without any return!
The majority of you are using still a damned Spark Plug. Why? Every video show the same problem. I see always a mist between the electrodes or water film on them. And al the spark plugs are arranged horizontal on tables or turned with the electrodes to the sky. Some of you had the idea to conduct some vapour to the Gap. Forget these pleas! It is the wrong way!
I recognized immediately that this is your main problem.
Now listen to me! Forget al spark plugs and create a totally new one!
If you want to hold water on or between the electrodes you should use a sponge! I solved with my WIK-WIP a second problem that you al have with your spark plugs still our days. My WIK-WIP can conduct through the plus electrode water and will charge the tungsten sponge after each ionisation immediately with water. As you can se in the video, I have no Tungsten-Sponge.
The problem is nobody can buy the tungsten filter. They are still not .................................................. .......................................
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also protect the surface of the tungsten sponge by galvanizing them with platinum.

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The Discharge works with:
-massive avalanche of ionisation
-UV-arrays from the Plasma
-separation of water by 1700°C
It's a electrolysis, photolysis, thermolysis.
The metal sponge made of tungsten, suck the water through his body and hold it still the ionisation start.

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There are ancillary processes that may not have been considered I guess. "...galvanizing them with platinum." may provide more benefit than it seems. Considering the "suckie" flame front speed of the conflagration of H2 & O2, a catalyst would speed the reaction and make a very energetic shock wavefront.

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Between the sponge and the mass electrode the current start to flow and the water begins to evaporate caused by the rapid increasing temperature. The great part of the sponge is now shooting by very fast electrons that come from the big discharging. The electrons create a massive avalanche of ionisation to the water molecules. In this avalanche are appearing a lot of hydrogen and oxygen atoms and also "damaged" Water molecules. They are not really damaged but they lose some electrons. So they get radical. At the same time appears the plasma with the UV arrays which is now shooting again to the water molecules and to the radicals. At the same time the area gets hotter then 1700°C............................................ ....
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I think the Water as Fuel-Technology will change the world.
It will create a world without pollution and poverty!


FOR SURE ON THE LATTER !!


Pleas continue this good work!
Many Thanks to capacitor70, s1r9a9m9, gotoluc, glotoniok and all the other good man!

However, even though the combined reaction might yield 1700 C, it's still low total heat because it is a very small volume or 'low density'. This means that there will not be enough 'heat' to raise the pressure of any air (N2) in the cylinder (assuming any sort of intake cycle). It will be hard to run an engine on the shock wavefront alone without a pressure rise and then an expansion cycle. As we all have seen (and heard), there is a loud 'pop', but there is no real expansion of a volume that if contained would yield a pressure rise that could be subsequently tapped for the extraction of work by any number of thermodynamic cycles.

But, there might be some unforeseen detonation phenomena at work (potentially). We'll see where this can go.

Greg

[gotoluc]

Those are all good points Greg.

Robin has already started looking into it.

Luc

[IndianaBoys]

Jeanna posted this on another topic.

How would this translate into the water/spark plug method?



IndianaBoys

[Oneminde]

HI.
I read 415V @ 471uF on the cap, is this correct?

Thx

[IndianaBoys]

Latest from theWIKWIPmaker,

Hello, IndianaBoys!
No, the Cigarette Atomizers are not good. Check Wikipedia. They can not hold the water and they can not resist the high Temperature. The Temperature can increase for some Microseconds to 3000°C and more. I thing Tungsten is the best and cheapest material for us. Platinum is also good. But Pt is too expensive.
Please, can you post the following Information at your energeticforum? Thanks!
...
Capacitor is 450V/470uf
If you want to replicate the circuit, please look first mozon1967's video on youTube and ask him for more details. He uses for the American system a doubler.
YouTube - Plasma Lab: Replication With Trigger Circuit - #56

Greetings from theWIKWIPmaker

[gmeast]

schematic

Latest from theWIKWIPmaker,

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If you want to replicate the circuit, please look first mozon1967's video on youTube and ask him for more details. He uses for the American system a doubler.
YouTube - Plasma Lab: Replication With Trigger Circuit - #56

Greetings from theWIKWIPmaker

Hi all,

Please direct me to a post showing the 'complete' schematic of the circuit in the above video. I can't put it together in my mind from what's shown. Is the coil being fired as a 'stock' coil would fire (I mean using a points-style distributor or electronic ignition, coil packs ,etc. ... now, now, I know it's not with reed switches)? I'm interested in the 'voltage intensifier circuit' and its precise integration with the first part of the circuit, and especially the spark gap. Can this be 'piggybacked' like my Vexus circuit, Bill's Nexus circuit and Terro's circuit?

None of this is any good if you can't hook it up in a car and fire the plug at actual firing frequency. My experience with this water spark plug topic shows that a standard 470uF electrolytic cap cannot survive at frequency. You get rapid overheating and breakdown of every system and subsystem from the solid state switches all the way down to the spark plug(s).

I think there is great importance in using a spark gap (though I don't understand it's roll here). I have come to realize that a spark gap is actually the 'magic gate' that provides the LEAP to overunity. What I mean to say is: So many proclaimed OU or COP>1 systems use Tesla's spark gap as the 'gating' means to access ZPE.

When someone says:

"... and it takes more energy to power the electrolysis process than can be returned from the hydrogen and oxygen gasses produced ...",

a spark gap might be the pivotal ingredient ... I think it can put things over the top. I think it can provide the 'missing' energy to make it all work.

...and I might just add that perhaps the 'spark gap' at the spark plug cannot serve as the spark gap providing the extra energy for the electrolysis or 'water spark plug effect'.

Well, there it is. Still need better schematic,

Greg

[gmeast]

filter

Here is what theWIKWIPmaker has written about his sparkplug design

Luc

theWIKWIPmaker | August 19, 2010

OK, now I want to give to Mankind a great Present!
Now I give you all my Input without any return!

.................................................. ...................................

As you can se in the video, I have no Tungsten-Sponge.
The problem is nobody can buy the tungsten filter. They are still not produced! And therefore nobody have a chance to make experiments with them.
I think we can convince some special companies who work with tungsten to start a mass production for us. A sponge of tungsten will be better.

.................................................. ..............................

I think the Water as Fuel-Technology will change the world.
It will create a world without pollution and poverty!

Pleas continue this good work!
Many Thanks to ...............................................goo d man!

This is never a good reason for anyone to stop. There are many companies making sintered metal filters ... here's just one:

Pyramid Technologies offers GKN sintered metal filter cartridges-industrial filter,air sparging,flame arrestor,porous metal particulate filter.

Choose something more robust than brass, bronze, copper, etc. so that some good experiments can be conducted over several thousands of firings. Yes ... there will be various (bad) by-products, and if possible these should be sampled with a bottle for future analysis with an MS, but you will be able to demo the technology, circuit, effects, affects, etc. This will entice a company (like above) to invest in a sintered tungsten structure for experimentation. Tungsten sinters. Carbide and tungsten alloy machine tool chip inserts are sintered. This cutting tool material and these inserts changed the face of machining and manufacturing decades ago ... so it's "DOABLE".

Suggesting,

Greg

[gotoluc]

Thanks Greg for your continued support and positive input

Luc

[gmeast]

Thanks Greg for your continued support and positive input

Luc

my pleasure

[rosco1]

Metals and plasma

Greg,

Research "transmutation", "charge clusters" etc.

We tested a few of the commonly used spark plug materials and had some alarming results pop up.

People need to know that plasma reacts differently with certain metals, far different to the way a common spark reacts with that same metal.

For example..using an Alpha/Beta/Gamma tester, we found that a normal (big name brand) spark plug, which I cannot name for obvious legal reasons, emitted the yearly allowable dose of Gamma in 6 seconds when 1 joule was applied.

[gmeast]

exposure

Greg,

Research "transmutation", "charge clusters" etc.

We tested a few of the commonly used spark plug materials and had some alarming results pop up.

People need to know that plasma reacts differently with certain metals, far different to the way a common spark reacts with that same metal.

For example..using an Alpha/Beta/Gamma tester, we found that a normal (big name brand) spark plug, which I cannot name for obvious legal reasons, emitted the yearly allowable dose of Gamma in 6 seconds when 1 joule was applied.

WOW! ... that is alarming ... and I'm pretty sure that, in the end, we will need more than 1 Joule to coax the effect we need (save perhaps some 'lucky' catalytic mechanism). In a vehicle application (plug installed in the engine - already surrounded by metal and other shielding), what would be the mechanism/risk of exposure then? ... don't know what radiation passes through what.

It seems to me that a "plasma" vs various materials is in need of characterization. That can only be done once (a) stable material(s) are identified ... much testing of course.

You know, there's nothing wrong with an ablative electrode/anode. A design could be arrived at that would allow for intended 'wear' over the projected service life of the plug ... and I have no idea of what form that design would/could take.

Great. Thanx,

Greg

[chainmailleman]

Can the same effect be replicated with a thermionic diode or does it have to be a semiconductor device?

[rosco1]

Metals/plasmas

WOW! ... that is alarming ... and I'm pretty sure that, in the end, we will need more than 1 Joule to coax the effect we need (save perhaps some 'lucky' catalytic mechanism). In a vehicle application (plug installed in the engine - already surrounded by metal and other shielding), what would be the mechanism/risk of exposure then? ... don't know what radiation passes through what.

It seems to me that a "plasma" vs various materials is in need of characterization. That can only be done once (a) stable material(s) are identified ... much testing of course.

You know, there's nothing wrong with an ablative electrode/anode. A design could be arrived at that would allow for intended 'wear' over the projected service life of the plug ... and I have no idea of what form that design would/could take.

Great. Thanx,

Greg

Greg,

I'm glad you now recognise the need for caution here.

It all boils down to choosing materials which suit the intended application, as well as being aware of the plethora of problems which may well arise if one opts to use the easily obtainable "off the shelf parts", which were never intended for this kind of application in the first place.

We saw one research paper by a person who is arguably at the forefront of plasma research, in which it was shown that a 3/4 inch plate of solid brass could not stop the gamma from a certain metal at a relatively low plasma energy level. This alarmed us.

The charge clusters are another matter, and if one delves into what they can do to a person, one would have to appreciate the need for suitable safety precautions whenever testing certain metals with plasma.

There is far more to this than is immediately apparent. The casual observer really hasn't a clue of what lurks beneath the surface here.

The research paths it took us on was mind blowing, for it appears that if you change 1x seemingly insignificant parameter of the test, you can often open up a whole new can of nasty worms. It can be a literal Pandora's box of drama, if one hasn't done some careful homework beforehand.

If a readily available "off the shelf" plug can emit the yearly allowable dose of gamma in 6 seconds @ 1x Joule, then this alone should be enough to stop people in their tracks. But as you know, it probably won't.

Mixing and matching metals is another big no no.

We tested 1x off the shelf plug (the above mentioned plug as a matter of fact) and then added another metal into the equation, and I probably shouldn't name that metal here, but anyway, the plug screamed, literally.

I'm certain your jaw would drop if you saw/heard what this metal/plasma combination did. Having said that, the resultant side effects were alarming enough for us to want to look at "why" this thing was doing what it was doing, rather than just accept it and probably try to run with it, and as it turns out, we would most probably have been killing ourselves rather quickly in the process had we not decided to investigate further.

What we found caused us to ban the use of those metals outright in our plasma tests.

Point is, with spark, these metals are perfectly safe, but with plasma, it's an entirely different story.

Use only pure metals (as pure as physically possible), and research what those metals do when reacted with plasma at all anticipated energy levels, prior to proceeding.

Never use blended metals (thoriated tungsten or copper beryllium or nickel alloy, for example), for you may well be developing a nasty little gadget which will be doing you grave harm and alas, you probably won't even know about that until it's too late, unless you do your homework first.

Never use different metals for the electrode and anode, unless you're sure they don't react with each other adversely at the atomic level when plasma is applied.

[gmeast]

beryllium copper

Greg,

I'm glad you now recognise the need for caution here.

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Use only pure metals (as pure as physically possible), and research what those metals do when reacted with plasma at all anticipated energy levels, prior to proceeding.

Never use blended metals (thoriated tungsten or copper beryllium or nickel alloy, for example), for you may well be developing a nasty little gadget which will be doing you grave harm and alas, you probably won't even know about that until it's too late, unless you do your homework first.

Never use different metals for the electrode and anode, unless you're sure they don't react with each other adversely at the atomic level when plasma is applied.

Hi to all,

I'm sure you are familiar with the hours of testing I did. But I tested at what we now know were levels too low to actually summon the effect(s) we want, but I did get some results ... good result. As you should also recall, I did many hours of bench tests posted to YouTube where I was using Firestorm replicas made from Beryllium-Copper generously supplied by Robin David.


I have to say that I d-d-d-on't--t really f-f-feelll any side affects other thththan the oc-c-casionalll t-t-witch. CAPICHE ?

I need a drink and an aspirin then another drink ... is that mixing drugs?

"It's kind of like a Hippo, but with feathers" The Navigator

Greg