Water Sparkplug

[gotoluc]

Hi all,

this maybe of interest: YouTube - Geet Pantone Engine Concept Demo by Andreas Kalcker

It is basically the GEET design but no rod and magnetization stuff. I believe Andreas Kalcker has it right.

Please have a look and post your comments

Luc

Added: He explains it well at 6:55 min. in the video.

Here is his YouTube Channel: YouTube - aluka1603's Channel

[broli]

Hi all,

this maybe of interest: YouTube - Geet Pantone Engine Concept Demo by Andreas Kalcker

It is basically the GEET design but no rod and magnetization stuff. I believe Andreas Kalcker has it right.

Please have a look and post your comments

Luc

Added: He explains it well at 6.55 min. in the video.

Here is his YouTube Channel: YouTube - aluka1603's Channel

This is indeed more "down to earth". Many have speculated this, can you imagine hydrogen is used instead of gasoline to produce the "small" explosion he talks about and water mist to produce the sudden expansion. I think this is what wikwip is talking about. You would only need a small amount of hydrogen which could be produced on demand.

[gmeast]

expansion

This is indeed more "down to earth". Many have speculated this, can you imagine hydrogen is used instead of gasoline to produce the "small" explosion he talks about and water mist to produce the sudden expansion. I think this is what wikwip is talking about. You would only need a small amount of hydrogen which could be produced on demand.

Hi all,

If you will review the work I did near the end (my), you will see I suggest this. In fact, I began ingesting large amounts of steam (mostly saturated, but nearly dry). The fuel-air mixture was very lean and would not run without the plasma spark. The now (too hot from stoich, would potentially burn the valves & piston) did indeed expand the 'steam' volume and the exhaust gas temperature, or EGT, went DOWN when compared to the baseline data originally taken for the engine. There was not any detectable change in performance (acceleration, top speed, torque, etc.).

What was going on: Instead of the heat from ignition going to heating not only the air inside but the saturated steam was absorbing heat for its final phase change to steam and subsequently expanding. Any dry steam was expanding as well as was the air.

It seems like this thread died out and then began anew with stuff that's already been done and presented ... amazing! Guess no one paid attention.

Greg

[gmeast]

expansion

This is indeed more "down to earth". Many have speculated this, can you imagine hydrogen is used instead of gasoline to produce the "small" explosion he talks about and water mist to produce the sudden expansion. I think this is what wikwip is talking about. You would only need a small amount of hydrogen which could be produced on demand.

In a cycle like we're discussing here, you must, in the end, be able to 'extract' energy from the system and have that extraction be represented by either a Delta P, Delta T or both if truly adiabatic. This will depend upon hardware and thermodynamic cycle of the engine ... auto cycle, etc.

If you take a little hydrogen and when combusted, oxidized, whatever, will generate so many calories of heat. If you have a water mist and no air in the cylinder then you must inject enough calories into the mist (water) to do two things and one of them carries a stiff penalty, and that is this: the phase change - to change the water to steam you will need to inject the 'latent-heat, kind of like heat-of-fusion' for that amount of water (mist) even *before* you get a temperature/pressure rise from the mist to drive the piston in the cylinder. This 'latent heat' is not recoverable either with a condenser, regenerator or a recouperator. It's a property of water. It's the reason steam engines failed in general transportation. People like Bill Lear (Learjet) devoted much resource to solving the problem. He even concocted his own boiler medium call 'Learium'. Not much resulted ... he's been dead a while.

The same goes with any air in the cylinder. The air has a density and a heat capacity. There's no phase change, but you still MUST inject heat into the system to get that temperature/pressure rise in order to have anything to extract via an expansion cycle or equivalent.

A little 'hydrogen explosion' will not generate enough calories to cause the water mist to provide a sudden expansion.

The best way to do this is to keep looking for the right on-demand 'water spark plug' design, circuit and, by all means, the right catalyst to help drive the thing (chemically).

Greg

PS did Stanley have it after all?

[broli]

It's the same song. Lack of support and builders. That's the free energy curse. Here's a good example:

YouTube - Think different:

[gmeast]

That IS different

It's the same song. Lack of support and builders. That's the free energy curse. Here's a good example:

YouTube - Think different:

What do you mean "lack of support and builders"? Most people here are builders. God knows I am ... I have the receipts to prove it.

What I saw in the video was a gen-set started and warmed up with fueling from two HHO dry cells ... one externally supprted and one internally supported. Then the external cell was isolated and removed leaving what appears to be a fully closed loop system, fully self supporting running on one internal HHO dry cell. Then he loads it with a flood light. I could hear the gen-set 'load'.

If it's REAL, then this guy is my hero.

I've always been of the opinion that there is some way to use HHO in a self sustaining configuration. That was just never a project I worked on. In OU Forum, it's the feature video and discussion. I'd just like to know what the little black box that's still plugged in is all about. If it is to run the ignition circuit then fine, but it should have been switched over to internal support before the end of the video. I'd also like to know what was in the dry-cells ... water or something else?

It's a great video, thanks for the link.

Greg

[maxc]

Hi all,

If you will review the work I did near the end (my), you will see I suggest this. In fact, I began ingesting large amounts of steam (mostly saturated, but nearly dry). The fuel-air mixture was very lean and would not run without the plasma spark. The now (too hot from stoich, would potentially burn the valves & piston) did indeed expand the 'steam' volume and the exhaust gas temperature, or EGT, went DOWN when compared to the baseline data originally taken for the engine. There was not any detectable change in performance (acceleration, top speed, torque, etc.).

What was going on: Instead of the heat from ignition going to heating not only the air inside but the saturated steam was absorbing heat for its final phase change to steam and subsequently expanding. Any dry steam was expanding as well as was the air.

It seems like this thread died out and then began anew with stuff that's already been done and presented ... amazing! Guess no one paid attention.

Greg

It is kind of odd you did not exspeareance more power. Many years ago I put steam on a stock 2.3 Pinto engine. For every drop of water down the heat riser the engine picked up 50 rpm. Now my system is on a larger engine and has better flow control. Can't wait too put the plasma spark to it.

[gmeast]

my steam generator

It is kind of odd you did not exspeareance more power. Many years ago I put steam on a stock 2.3 Pinto engine. For every drop of water down the heat riser the engine picked up 50 rpm. Now my system is on a larger engine and has better flow control. Can't wait too put the plasma spark to it.

Hi maxc,

I was thrilled to get the 20% to 40% increase in fuel economy. If you look at it sort of sideways, I DID actually get more power, otherwise how do you account for going further on less fuel ... I had a power increase which allowed me to go farther (further) on less gasoline ... equated to more power per quantity of gasoline. The steam did the rest ... and the EGT went down.

I had limitations on the 'quality' and amount of my steam. I used only exhaust heat to generate it and that limited me on how HOT my steam would be. One thing I was really trying to do is to simply raise the RH to something like a cool, tropical, humid rain forest condition to run the engine at. I think I was close to those conditions and my mileage climbed drastically as I approached that.
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I don't think I ever posted my work with restrictor plates, compression ratio and fuel ratio. This experiment allowed an engine to run as if its EXPANSION STROKE WAS LONGER THAN ITS INTAKE STROKE. I used a standard gen-set, machined the head to increase the compression ratio to 15:1 ... things collide after that. The restrictor plate kept the "EFFECTIVE" compression ratio back down to the stock 7:1. The (intake) losses attributable to the restrictor plate were 5% but the efficiency gains were 25%+ ... and NO new technology, just about 3 cents at one stage in manufacturing plus a 15 cent metal stamping (the restrictor plate). I did a write-up and presented it with all of the raw data to Briggs & Stratton, but they have that same "not invented here syndrome" Also they said they are focusing on their overseas manufacturing ... meaning they were selfishly closing engine manufacturing here. Well fine! I want my efforts to first benefit the USA and not China (why do I even capitalize the "c"?).
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Greg

[bmlobo]

Hello All, Good day to you !!!

Hi Everybody, Can you help me out and take a look at a blog site that I am working on. It is to do with Pulse motors and magnetic coils, Bedini Motors, and ideas on making systems work better. If you could take a moment and link to my site and comment I would greatly appreciate your input.



PULSE MOTOR, FREE ENERGY & OVER UNITY

Thank you all and take care.

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[Web000x]

bmlobo,

You'll get better responses if you start your own thread and don't litter your posts all over at least 6 threads. Your builds look very thorough and thought out. I am surprised that your posts don't follow that lead.



Dave

[kiwijs]

Another filter prospect

This is never a good reason for anyone to stop. There are many companies making sintered metal filters ... here's just one:

Pyramid Technologies offers GKN sintered metal filter cartridges-industrial filter,air sparging,flame arrestor,porous metal particulate filter.

Choose something more robust than brass, bronze, copper, etc. so that some good experiments can be conducted over several thousands of firings. Yes ... there will be various (bad) by-products, and if possible these should be sampled with a bottle for future analysis with an MS, but you will be able to demo the technology, circuit, effects, affects, etc. This will entice a company (like above) to invest in a sintered tungsten structure for experimentation. Tungsten sinters. Carbide and tungsten alloy machine tool chip inserts are sintered. This cutting tool material and these inserts changed the face of machining and manufacturing decades ago ... so it's "DOABLE".

Suggesting,

Greg

Great idea Greg,

there is also Hydrophilic Porous Ceramics, which can handle high temps like this one Hydrophilic Porous Ceramics
This cup shape would do the trick with a little reaming of the inside edge of the sparkplug bottom tube to suit spark gap and the water would act as anode.
anyway just thinking out loud

L&L
Keep Thinking:
Jay

[govinda108]

Just add Cap and HV Diode to standard car ignition system

Hi, please excuse if this has already been asked somewhere in this over 100 page thread, but I simply did not have enough time to thorougly search for it.

What will happen if I simply add a capacitor in parallel to the LV side of the ignition coil of my car and a HV diode between the HV output and the LV +. Will this do any good or is there a risk that I damage something. Of course I have to make sure my plugs are resistorless, otherwise the cap will only heat up the resistor instead of creating the plasma. If that works, can I then go ahead, cheat the EFI computer with an EFIE and this way try to get the Air/fuel ratio up as high as possible? This is to increase MPG only, of course, at first.

Now, if I have two cars (in case things go wrong ), I could modify one and start experimenting with alternative fuels, like ethanol + water. Have I got things right? Of course the final goal of all this is to run the engine entirely only on water. I do not doubt that this is possible, but I have a feeling that some more adjustments would be necessary to the engine for that.

Keep it simple.

[govinda108]

oops, it is not yet 100+ pages, sorry only 99, but it will become that, no doubt.

[UncleFester]

It is kind of odd you did not exspeareance more power. Many years ago I put steam on a stock 2.3 Pinto engine. For every drop of water down the heat riser the engine picked up 50 rpm. Now my system is on a larger engine and has better flow control. Can't wait too put the plasma spark to it.

Like Greg said previously, plasma spark into steam or water vapor does not create enough pressure to move the piston. I proved this many times while working on the Krupa Firestorm plugs. If this did work I would already have been manufacturing units for engines to run on water vapor.

Now if you could create steam for free to drive the pistons, that is a different story. If you can run water through a GEET system to make a combustible gas (H2), and then fire it with plasma, that is workable as well.

Other than that I don't know. I've only been working on these types of systems for 15 years now, but maybe I missed a few things......very possible. I did get the Stan Meyer system working but failed at scaling it up to practical size for an engine, but then again, maybe someone else will come up with a large size unit and show me what I did wrong.

Tad

[ashtweth]

Start with this to make GEET plasma steam
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Dop...ry_English.pdf
We have one ready soon to send to Rosco if he wants to test it.

Think the plugs would do well on it

Ash