Water Sparkplug

[GotGas]

little more explanation: I replicated Lucs circuit. I also built callahans but am missing one of the transisters. In Lucs cicuit I am using a 40 amp 12vdc automotive relay. I got a 750 watt inverter. I shorted it out a few times with water, but i turn it off when the red overload light goes off and dry-out the water. this inverter seems to work pretty well. I had a microwave Diode and it is the only diode I am using. The camera capacitor Aaron was talking about works just as well as my oil compacitor with the relay. I opened the spark gap all the way and the snap/spark seems the same. I also removed the resistor from the plug and put copper in its place. I found many spark plugs will not allow you to remove resistor. rick

Hey Rick that is a lot of good info. thanks for sharing your experience.

I am wondering since electrons slow way down on copper and go real fast across tungsten have you tried to just place three pieces of a hacksaw blade in close proximity with the ground in the middle?

It would seem to me that we would want the three to come together within the water droplet and not before so we would get the max voltage potential due to the phase relationship of the inductor/ cap sides of the circuit.

I just started building up a setup to start experimenting but I have grand kids this week. I picked up a pond fogger to produce the mist and I have a lathe and all the taps and dies to build the injector and a test engine. Can't wait to dig into this.

Also - did you have the same results with the single microwave diode as a voltage multiplier or did you only try the 2000v diode?

Sorry to be a pest but until I get rid of the grandkids I am in thought experiment mode.

[rick123]

GotGas:

I have only tried the hv diode. Great idea with the tungsten, I will try it.
I plan on duplicating Capacitor70 circuit for the weed wacker. I would post the circuit but I would have to get permission first. You can watch his video on you tube and see his circuit @ waterfuel1978 a yahoo group. He claims this circuits is what he uses on his working model.

[GotGas]

I'll check it out the weeder Rick.

Here are a couple of pieces of information to support my observation of phase relationship of the two sides of the circuit.

First a simple primer on the subject:

Next a Meyer patent drawing where he uses a capacitive side (the nickel plate pure water variable capacitor) and an inductive side on the tubes. So I find Aaron's circuit interesting.

I could give more Meyer comparisons but will hold back so I don't draw any heat. There is a lot of speculation and misunderstanding which I am sure was Meyer's intent.

[GotGas]

GotGas:

I have only tried the hv diode. Great idea with the tungsten, I will try it.
I plan on duplicating Capacitor70 circuit for the weed wacker. I would post the circuit but I would have to get permission first. You can watch his video on you tube and see his circuit @ waterfuel1978 a yahoo group. He claims this circuits is what he uses on his working model.

Hey Rick,

Updated schematic - I added a set of contacts to disconnect cap charging during firing. Activate the relay to charge, deactivate to fire. You may need to add one set of contacts to the relay to completely isolate ground during firing if I understood Aarons description.

[Redmeanie]

Aaron Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Just when I finally figured my plate was full with "Projects" I had to drop in and read this posting! Now I AM Absolutely going to have to contribute On This!

I think between all of us here we should definetly get a working prototype done...

[Aaron]

spark stuff

LOL! 24 hours in a day isn't enough! I'm swamped with business and will be a bit before I can get to more experiments but I'm paying close attention to everything going on.

For now, I just got the buzz going on my youtube vids. There are a lot of people at overunity.com working on this. Momentum is picking up here.

I have no doubts that one of you will get a small engine running on this and will teach us all how to do it.

EFIE, Water spark plug, WFC's...looks like everything is coming together beautifully.

[GotGas]

Just when I finally figured my plate was full with "Projects" I had to drop in and read this posting! Now I AM Absolutely going to have to contribute On This!

I think between all of us here we should definetly get a working prototype done...

Hey Redmeanie,

Maybe this will jack your curiosity up a little.

Two different MeyerPhotos.zip files have been floating around the web for some time. If you compare the two files, one of them has a file missing and tries to convince you that "gas" went to the injector although there still is no WFC to create it.

The other one (original) has a schematic for a "steam resonanter". Funny thing is, it is almost exactly two of Meyer's circuits with a twist. Look at the top, there is a cap and inductor contact point with the water that are tied to ground.

Why is that important? Because there are only so many ways to skin a cat and if you figured out the worlds coolest way to crack H2O you would build upon that.

Aarons circuit is an inductor, cap and a ground. Do you suppose this might be the "third rail" that nobody seems to talk about and very few even think exists?

Why did someone go to the trouble to remove this image and then redistribute the file?

You don't suppose this is the schematic for the WFC with an extra side so as to resonate the water two directions instead of crack it do you?

One thing I am sure of, the patent is BS. I have worked on this full time for 8 months now and built Meyer's circuit to his specs. Didn't do squat for me.

[Guest]

When the sparkplug "ignites" the water is it a chain reaction or does it only affect the vapor near the plug?

Would it be possible to implement this technology in an engine or a chamber filled with water vapour for example?

[Redmeanie]

Hey Redmeanie,

Maybe this will jack your curiosity up a little.

Two different MeyerPhotos.zip files have been floating around the web for some time. If you compare the two files, one of them has a file missing and tries to convince you that "gas" went to the injector although there still is no WFC to create it.

The other one (original) has a schematic for a "steam resonanter". Funny thing is, it is almost exactly two of Meyer's circuits with a twist. Look at the top, there is a cap and inductor contact point with the water that are tied to ground.

Why is that important? Because there are only so many ways to skin a cat and if you figured out the worlds coolest way to crack H2O you would build upon that.

Aarons circuit is an inductor, cap and a ground. Do you suppose this might be the "third rail" that nobody seems to talk about and very few even think exists?

Why did someone go to the trouble to remove this image and then redistribute the file?

You don't suppose this is the schematic for the WFC with an extra side so as to resonate the water two directions instead of crack it do you?

One thing I am sure of, the patent is BS. I have worked on this full time for 8 months now and built Meyer's circuit to his specs. Didn't do squat for me.

Do you think the "steam Resonator" could just be a "Fog (Mist) Maker" type device. That is how they work, a Piezo Element basically vibrating at a High Frequency makes a fog....So that is the direction I am heading with this. Think about it....You could even tune it to get quantity and finer clouds.

I personally never believe a Patent. They, and for good reason, leave out key elements of the devices. This protects them from duplication. However I have found, if you look at All there individual patents some of the key elements in one can be found in other patents they have filed. This is very common.

[GotGas]

I agree on the patents however, rather than explode fog do you suppose Meyer was exploding Steam? :-)

I just built the circuit with my usual more power twist 5 minutes ago. I got about three shots out of it and then the leads arced together and the 2000V microwave diode exploded so violently it gave me a fat lip where part of it hit me. I found a piece of it in my cat's water bucket.

Well, back to the drawing board after a stop at craigslist for another free microwave. If you have a good recycle program in your city, you can break them down almost all the way down into recyclable material without filling your trash can.

PS - Safety glasses or a rag over the diode might be a good idea. I used a 400V 330mfd cap from a monitor I got off craigs list. That is a good resource for junk parts. 1/4 lb of free #24 copper wire in ever degaussing coil, recycle the copper on the yolk and everything else is good stuff. Big transistors, relays, caps, pulse transformers, etc.

[Aaron]

What is he doing?

YouTube - Cold Fusion Plasma 9

Anyone know of his schematics of what he is doing here?

[GotGas]

When the sparkplug "ignites" the water is it a chain reaction or does it only affect the vapor near the plug?

Would it be possible to implement this technology in an engine or a chamber filled with water vapour for example?

Don't know the answer to that as Aarons video was more of a question than an answer. That's o.k., we will find the answer and like anything it has to be weighed and measured for what it is on a bench.

I am moving away from the WFC as that has not been fruitful at least to anyone that knows how to measure pulsed power accurately.

I have also done some work with vacuum electrolysis and plasma but have not developed that into anything useful. I'm going to take a stab at the injector side of this mystery for a while and see what I can do there so this is interesting to me because of the phase opposition.

[GotGas]

YouTube - Cold Fusion Plasma 9

Anyone know of his schematics of what he is doing here?

From the sound of the pulse rate it sounds like 60HZ hum and he mentions different voltage levels with the last one being 120V so probably line voltage with a big variac to adjust voltage.

Look at the MeyerPhotos.zip. Notice the pulse generator he built has gone away and now we see what looks like a red devil motor generator? 12VDC / 120VAC

If you want to see your cell go crazy, grab a huge silicone diode and plug your cell into the wall. It gets hot real fast and Meyer kept feeling the cell and commenting about how it stayed cool. I have some theories on how he did this but that is all they are for now. His transformer circuit had three diodes - 2 on the cell and one on the transformer - all pointed in the same direction at the cell. Kind of raises a question or two, no? Since the two diodes on the cell are both pointing at the cell, the switching diode on the transformer would not burst into flames.

[Redmeanie]

Sure, you can tell by the pulse rate that it is 60HZ and he mentions different voltage levels so probably a big variac to adjust voltage.

Look at the MeyerPhotos.zip. Notice the pulse generator he built has gone away and now we see what looks like a red devil motor generator?

If you want to see your cell go crazy, grab a huge silicone diode and plug your cell into the wall. It gets hot real fast and Meyer kept feeling the cell and commenting about how it stayed cool. I have some theories on how he did this but that is all they are for now. His transformer circuit had three diodes - 2 on the cell and one on the transformer - all pointed in the same direction at the cell. Kind of raises a question or two, no? Since the two diodes on the cell are both pointing at the cell, the switching diode on the transformer would not burst into flames.

Kinda like this setup...

[rick123]

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