Water Sparkplug

[GotGas]

YouTube - High Frequency D.C. Energy & Water#3

That is a little interesting only because he is showing you that you can use the brushes in a DC motor to do your switching in a hostile environment.

In Meyer's pulse generator you see what appears to be a generator coil that produces a constant DC bias and a series of magnetos which produce the necessary high voltage to produce the shockwave. That of course approximates what you are doing here.

I have played with this a bit myself a while back and used a DC motor from a $12.00 cordless drill from harbor freight and a 20K plasma generator from Ramsey electronics ~$75.00

The spark gap and efficient electrolysis have come up many times by many different people. He does not appear to have the unswitched DC bias (which it should be) and also run through a resistive element.

Rather than use a inverter, you could just use a cheap 555 to trigger a SCR and a resistive element like your light bulb or better yet isolate and pulse with a little saturable inductor, mag amp or isolation transformer so you have no electronics on the secondary side - bulletproof.

[Aaron]

no temp increase

Temp started at 77 degrees....then while running it goes to 70....then when the spark is turned off...it goes back to 77 where it was when it started. This shows there is no net gain in temperature...that video was just to show the effect over a few seconds.

I have done the same running it for many minutes...exact same results.

Also, I have already tested the temp resting....then run the spark for a while... then turn off the plug.... and measure again....the reading in the end has shown to be the SAME as as it was before showing the temp of the plug metal did NOT increase...and a few times the temp went down after the test. Doing it this way has no possibility of EMP or other phenomena messing with the IR thermometer...because it is only taking readings when everything is turned off.

[GotGas]

You keep missing my point so it is pointless. But I'll take another stab at it since I know I suck at explaining things. You are saying that the temp does not increase and I think that is plausible and cool. (no pun intended).

The point I was making is that the temp went back up at the end instantly and the universe has to supply the heat to do that. Where the measurement error becomes questionable is at the end when you turn it off.

Steel and vitreous china absorb heat at a very well known and predictable level.

Let us say that the temp in the room is 77 degrees since that was the starting point. You claim that the iron on the plug and the ceramic decreased 7 degrees in about 5 seconds. No problem, cold water would do that. But now at the end the plug is sitting on a table in a room that is 77 degrees and it GAINS 7 degrees in less than 1 second without any input from you makes me suspect that you have messed with mother nature or the negative EMP pulse is modulating the speed of the laser since photon are quarks just like electrons and can be converted back and forth, or laser cooling, or the negative EMP is lowering the ground plane in the thermometer.

To suggest that the universe would heat a plug designed to conduct heat 7 degrees with only a 7 degree temperature spread in separation in 1 second is a question worthy of asking.

It one thing to try and explain the temperature loss without any testing or a second method of measurement. That is useless spinny and speculation. It is quite another to claim a spark plug would gain 7 degrees instantly.

It is the gain, that questions the loss.

[Aaron]

spark temp

Familiar with the term "laser cooling"?

Interesting on laser coolings...that page says: "The trick to making atoms colder is to make the light bounce off of them.In fact, it bounces offmore energy than when it hits the atoms. " with

You're right, this test isn't conclusive being just me. I encourage everyone to do experiments to see what they get. You can get small IR thermometers from harbor freight for less than $10...the little thumb one. Also anyone can tape the bulb of a regular glass thermometer against the metal ground of the sparkplug and just let it run for a long time and see what that says.

I don't have time to do a lot of different experiments with this. This test with the temperature is simply testing something that is already put together. So, it is already there. Different variation of what it can do...I'm hoping others will find out.

There are a lot of people experimenting with this right now and I'm looking really forward to someone mastering it and enhancing it in order to simply run a lawn mower and then teach us all how to do it!

[GotGas]

You may this interesting Aaron, or not.. In post #34, I explained how ALL free energy machines work at their core at a basic level and how electron clusters are a part of that process.

The experiment used to validate electron clusters involved chilling electrons with super cooled He and the clusters could be observed in tiny clusters of 4 6 or 8 clusters. So there is a cold link to cavitation which an arc is.

Take the Methernitha for example. We have cavitation occurring in two places. One in the tube and another on the horseshoe magnet. There is one pictue out there that shows the back of a magnet on a large machine that a man is working on. If you blow up the picture, you see that the two sides of the magnets are connected together at the top.

So the electron stream (static electricity) hits the top of the magnet and is ripped in two and that produces cavitation. Below in the plates between the legs you should have what is called a persistant spin curl wave.

This is what we call Anarov Bohm Effect.

One of the most well funded research areas of science today is nano tech. Many are quietly studying Anarov Bohm effect for the purpose of producing small OU power devices and teletransportation.

It is a complicated subject but here is a good article that has some good science on the subject.

AB Effect

[Peter Lindemann]

My Two Cents

Interesting on laser coolings...that page says: "The trick to making atoms colder is to make the light bounce off of them.In fact, it bounces offmore energy than when it hits the atoms. " with

You're right, this test isn't conclusive being just me. I encourage everyone to do experiments to see what they get. You can get small IR thermometers from harbor freight for less than $10...the little thumb one. Also anyone can tape the bulb of a regular glass thermometer against the metal ground of the sparkplug and just let it run for a long time and see what that says.

I don't have time to do a lot of different experiments with this. This test with the temperature is simply testing something that is already put together. So, it is already there. Different variation of what it can do...I'm hoping others will find out.

There are a lot of people experimenting with this right now and I'm looking really forward to someone mastering it and enhancing it in order to simply run a lawn mower and then teach us all how to do it!

Hi Folks,

Just so Aaron is not left out on a limb here....... I have personally witnessed many of Aaron's test set-ups, INCLUDING many of the temperature reading tests. I do not claim to understand the results, but I absolutely report that EVERY TIME we have pointed the IR temperature device at the spark, the reading goes DOWN BELOW AMBIENT! I was the first to question the validity of these tests. We aimed the IR thermometer at every other surface we could find, even other metal objects, like pliers and screw drivers nearby. No other objects changed temperature. Period! The spark plug never got hot. Aaron was pointing the laser right at the spark zone itself. THE SPARK TEMPERATURE was below the ambient temperature. That is the ONLY reasonable CONCLUSION I could draw from the evidence I witnessed.

I also saw no evidence of EMP effects from the spark to effect the IR thermometer. The spark was repeating approximately once a second due to an automatic relay driver circuit we built based on a 555 timer chip. IR temperature readings of other objects did not show anomalous behavior with the spark operating in the background.

Theoretical posturing is meaningless. Ranting about the infallibility of Thermodynamics is equally un-useful. The behavior of the spark in this experimental set-up is most unexpected, and one of the most astonishing phenomena I have seen in years.

Peter

[Aaron]

spark temp

What the thermometer is seeing is the temperature of the spark while it is sparking..that is the only variable changing..once the spark is gone...the only thing the thermometer is measuring is the metal..., which is unchanged. It is POSSIBLE, the measurement of the thermometer is questionable as the spark is happening...of course possible but not likely.

However, what is undeniable is that what is happening is that when I measure the spark plug's metal BEFORE the sparking and take measurement...I then let it spark...even up to 10-15 minutes or more...no matter how long, I then turn off the circuit and then measure the metal AFTER all the sparking is stopped, the temp will either be the same or less compared to what it was before any sparking occurred. This second example rules out 100% of any possibility that there is "noise" at the thermometer and is also 100% rules out any possibility that the spark temperature itself is in question.

A fact that is gained from this experiment is this simply: I take a base temp reading before any sparking...let it spark for any length of time..turn off circuit...then take the spark plug temp reading afterwards and none of the sparking has increased the temperature of the metal.

Take any spark plug and spark it conventionally...take a before reading..let it spark...then test temp after...there will be an increase, I tried it...that increase does not exist with this type of spark that I have been able to observe no matter how long I let it spark.

100% of the time I have repeated this test over and over, I get the following results: zero increase in temp

I can measure the temp of objects around me and those temperature show EXACTLY the same temp before and after the tests...that shows that the temperature reading of the thermometer is accurate.....consistent.

Also, as I have said, a few times the temperature of the metal went DOWN a few times...all while testing when the circuit is totally off.

[GotGas]

What the thermometer is seeing is the temperature of the spark while it is sparking..that is the only variable changing..once the spark is gone...the only thing the thermometer is measuring is the metal..., which is unchanged. It is POSSIBLE, the measurement of the thermometer is questionable as the spark is happening...of course possible but not likely.

However, what is undeniable is that what is happening is that when I measure the spark plug's metal BEFORE the sparking and take measurement...I then let it spark...even up to 10-15 minutes or more...no matter how long, I then turn off the circuit and then measure the metal AFTER all the sparking is stopped, the temp will either be the same or less compared to what it was before any sparking occurred. This second example rules out 100% of any possibility that there is "noise" at the thermometer and is also 100% rules out any possibility that the spark temperature itself is in question.

A fact that is gained from this experiment is this simply: I take a base temp reading before any sparking...let it spark for any length of time..turn off circuit...then take the spark plug temp reading afterwards and none of the sparking has increased the temperature of the metal.

Take any spark plug and spark it conventionally...take a before reading..let it spark...then test temp after...there will be an increase, I tried it...that increase does not exist with this type of spark that I have been able to observe no matter how long I let it spark.

100% of the time I have repeated this test over and over, I get the following results: zero increase in temp

I can measure the temp of objects around me and those temperature show EXACTLY the same temp before and after the tests...that shows that the temperature reading of the thermometer is accurate.....consistent.

Also, as I have said, a few times the temperature of the metal went DOWN a few times...all while testing when the circuit is totally off.

Hi Aaron,

Well that is a lot of new information above what the video revealed. When you state the spark is what the sensor is measuring while it is on isn't / couldn't exactly be correct since the duty cycle of the arc is but a fraction of the total time and the total time for the video was about 5 seconds or so which is what my question was based on.

However, if you state that it has the same temp after a long run then that is information that is useful and here is why:

The spark from the coil is not going to split or ignite water because it does not contain the current required.

On the other hand, the current is not going to ignite the water because the low voltage high amperage from the inverter is not going to produce an arc / cavitation event.

So one could almost use the analogy of an amplitude modulated (AM) wave. The current side being the carrier wave and the voltage side being the modulation. Almost reminds you a little of the Puharich patent doesn't it with the four little tics on the sine wave?

As far as the thermal aspects, an ionic wind is cool but then that is a cavitation between two electrostatic electrodes of opposite potential.

Plasma cooling is not new and there is a lot of science on the "matter".. including that of H2 plasma.

Where the thermal information is valuable and is often the most valuable information regarding OU is it may also tell us something about the circuit.

For example: Suppose you placed an .5 henry inductor between the diode and the cap. This would phase the voltage and current from the cap with the ignition coil to come degree. Do we now have a thermal rise? Then my phase opposition / cavitation theory holds more water, I.e., are we canceling amp flow right at the point of the arc where it all comes together? Rings of Meyer, no?

If nothing changes then we ask ourselves does this teach us what we are searching for in the current / voltage mix?

The fact is, thermal test results are highly underrated in OU research and anything that can be learned about that is useful and so solid science is demanded and that comes about with discussion, collaboration, questions and answers and that is hardly banter of the pedantic nature in my opinion.

So I hope you don't feel "out on a limb" since that is never my intent unless I plan to publicly hang an obnoxious idiot and you are not that person. All I had to go on was the short video and you were not addressing my question.

If time allows, I wish you would do the same test for 5 minutes and post that on youtube. I have done lots of experiments for you over the last 30 years and have been sharing quite freely in your forum. That would give me something to think about wile I design the phase locked loop portion of Meyer's circuit.

I have spent the last 8 months working full time on figuring out Meyer's stuff so I am little boned up on on the subject of inductive reactance, phasing, resonance, etc. I have most of it figured out and will be getting to the injector aspect soon so this is something I am intensely curious about and temperature is everything when it comes to plasma, energy or converting mass into the atomic energy contained in the mass - OU.

[Aaron]

spark plug heat

Thanks Peter,

To rule out any possibility of electronic noise in the thermometer...something that stands solid regardless of anything is: The metal doesn't heat up.

Why does the metal not heat up after running the plug for a while? Even if it doesn't drop with or without water, why does the metal not heat up? Clearly the "spark", more like explosion, simply does not warm the metal and is the most robust spark I've ever seen on a plug?

Can anyone doing this experiment using this specific type of spark method cause their spark plug to heat up? That would be a good challenge...use this spark method and make heat on the plug. Can anyone cause a resistor-less spark plug to heat up with this spark method?

[GotGas]

Aaron - I can't seem to edit my posts to fix my many typos so you get the "Hi, Aaron" in the middle in the last post - maybe you can fix that. I am older and my eyesight is not very good and it is difficult for me to spot a type in this text box.

Hi Folks,

Just so Aaron is not left out on a limb here....... I have personally witnessed many of Aaron's test set-ups, INCLUDING many of the temperature reading tests. I do not claim to understand the results, but I absolutely report that EVERY TIME we have pointed the IR temperature device at the spark, the reading goes DOWN BELOW AMBIENT! I was the first to question the validity of these tests. We aimed the IR thermometer at every other surface we could find, even other metal objects, like pliers and screw drivers nearby. No other objects changed temperature. Period! The spark plug never got hot. Aaron was pointing the laser right at the spark zone itself. THE SPARK TEMPERATURE was below the ambient temperature. That is the ONLY CONCLUSION I could draw from the evidence.

Theoretical posturing is meaningless. Ranting about the infallibility of Thermodynamics is equally un-useful. The behavior of the spark in this experimental set-up is most unexpected, and one of the most astonishing phenomena I have seen in years.

Peter

Wow, that was an unwarranted assault Peter. Perhaps you missed the part where AB Effect produced Kondo dephasing affects electron-electron interactions or the part about infrared divergencies dominate dephasing due to electron-electron interactions. That is some fairly solid science from credible scientists that didn't buy a honorary PHD from a naturopathic school overseas.

Plasma cooling is hardly an "astonishing phenomena", it is well known and used in industry for a variety of purposes such as welding.

You are the guy that people claim wrote a book called "The Final Secret to Cold Electricity" but forgot to disclose what that final secret is. Ironic isn't it? Here we are discussing cold electricity and you claim quote "it is one of the most astonishing phenomena I have seen in years" and don't know what it is.

Cold electricity was first observed and termed by Tesla after he noticed a stinging sensation when high voltage contacts were opened and closed and the plasma arc occurred between said contacts.

Old guys like me don't call it EMP, we call it reverse EMF which is not counter EMF (CEMF) or back EMF. It throws a negative sharp pulse on the scope and is used to trigger a Gray tube filled with a gas.

Now you can consider writing a free addendum now that you just learned what cold electricity is.

I hardly think I am theoretical posturing or ranting about the infallibility of thermodynamics when I ask the simple question "how can a spark plug gain 7 degrees all in less than a second when there are only seven degrees available and when the arc event is only a fraction of the duty cycle" ;-)

I addressed many of the possible explanations that COULD explain the validity to the test unlike you. Also unlike you, I asked one simple question that begs for further study and questioned the claim in a way that anyone with common sense could understand based on the information available in Aarons's video. The thermal properties of iron is hardly ranting about the infallibility of thermodynamics.

I merely asked a question and suggested possible ways to prove / disprove or even explain Aaron's claim. Last time I checked, that is what collaborative science looks like and I hardly doubt that leaves him "out on a limb" and I am damn sure not attacking him or insulting him by asking it.

If my temperature question is "Ranting about the infallibility of Thermodynamics" then we might as well all just throw those temperature sensors away and pretend there is no such thing as heat.

Let me clear one more thing up for you as long as I am converting the energy contained in my brain into distant photons all just for you:

On youtube there is a video of you explaining one of Meyer's circuits where you state that the circuit can not be resonant because of the existence of a blocking diode in a tone that is insulting and intimates Meyer made a fraudulent claim in his patent.

I didn't bother with the toroid since it would actually enhance the resonance. Here is Meyer's basic patented circuit minus the toroid and it took less than two minutes to breadboard. Notice the blocking diode on the breadboard right off the power rail? I just grabbed whatever diode was closest since any silicon rectifier will work. Notice the two .5H chokes? The 2n3055 switching it to ground, the test cell between the chokes? The resonance on the scope?

After reading what you wrote again, I went back to my bench and grabbed every "blocking diode" within reach (6) and put them all in the circuit and replaced the photo. The diodes range from 50V to 1000V and who knows what in between. Notice how resonance didn't change at all? I could have placed 100 "blocking diodes" on that breadboard and it would still be a resonant circuit that looks just like that.

I was also kind enough to include a close up of the scope so that you would know what a resonant circuit looks like if you ever see one in real life...

So I guess you missed that pulse pickup coil in Meyer's patent and what that is all about. Unlike you, I actually know something about Meyer electrolysis methods, his electronics and the quantum physics involved in mass to energy conversion used in other devices.

You can covert mass into the atomic energy contained in that mass and energy into mass and it does not violate thermodynamics. There are just people that understand thermodynamics and how so called "free energy" machines work and people that don't.

Final thought Linderman - Be careful who you pick a fight with on the science playground. You are what is called a target rich environment and that was just shot over your bow. I Publish responses to people like you and they are forever on the web. It would show a total lack of integrity to delete my response to your flame attempt but it would not surprise me in the least. This would make a nice addition to Wikipedia and John Bedini's comments, best you leave it here or I move it elsewhere.

[GotGas]

Now here is my non-defensive, more constructive and helpful side Peter.

Aaron was pointing the laser right at the spark zone itself. THE SPARK TEMPERATURE was below the ambient temperature. That is the ONLY reasonable CONCLUSION I could draw from the evidence I witnessed.

So a quick read on how a laser thermometer works reveals from several sources that the laser is just there for aiming purposes and it is your standard IR thermometer.

"Standard IR thermometers take advantage of the fact that all molecules in matter are constantly vibrating: The higher their temperature, the faster the vibrations."

So Peter the wrench or whatever else that you aimed at are not a good controls since they are not moving at quantum speeds as they emit and reflect IR light unlike the plasma.

Based on that alone IR thermometers would only be useful when the plug is not firing and used to check temperature over time. This would require that the plug is insulated in an air tight container in any case.

So that discussion was useful in that we figured out that we need to insulate the plug and any IR data collected while the plug is firing is meaningless and now we know why.

So Peter your conclusion may not have been "reasonable" and the device did not produce "evidence" of a plasma temperature after all and that is the positive intent and result of collaboration.

This is why I ask questions and want to see for myself the long duration insulated test in an air tight container. This has not been done and so that information is also non-information.

I will eventually get to the injector and do it myself but for now I wanted to give Aaron a push back on his test and measurement procedures. I invited him to learn more about the subject at hand privately and he stated to me he was new to electronics but learned quickly so I challenged him and we learned a little about sampling.

He thought of the test over time which is good and should create that procedure and document it since he made the claim.

So this deserves much more investigation and that is what we were doing and how it is done.

The only test that is going to be useful in measuring the temperature of a plasma is a Langmuir probe and I am guessing Aaron does not have one.

The whole temperature aspect is very interesting to me. It is the only good way to measure the properties of the plasma that matter to us which are electron density, potential and electron temp.

In the end, this may very well turn out to be be the data that matters for the purpose of engineering the igniter circuit.

The only other simple tests that can reveal information would be some scope shots of various test points including a BH curve and the inductance phase relationship experiment that I suggested earlier.

If the phase is the answer, I think I can show you how to create a series of inductors that don't allow the two ends of the wire to inductively see each other. In fact you can probably multiply the available ac idle current as many times as you want which is how the Hubbard coil worked. Or you could wait for the secret 16 penny nail plans hidden under the tin cup but that isn't the sort of thing that interest me.

[lighty]

@GotGas

While nobody challenges your engineering expertise it's also very obvious you really like to go into lengthy monologues and you act annoyed when anybody disagrees with you or doesn't immediately understand what you're trying to say. As you can see yourself Aaron himself admits he is but a learner in electronics and it seems Peter acted in order to support Aaron without any wish to offend anybody.

While I completely agree with you that IR thermometers leave a lot to be desired (and for many more reasons that you didn't mention) and that much more carefully crafted experiments should be conducted before making such unconventional claims I also don't like your hostile communication. Peter is maybe going out on a limb here but he does deserve respect if nothing else then for being the one popularizing some of the rarely known concepts and inspiring a great number of people. So, he is not infallible. Tesla wasn't infallible either. Even you are not infallible. I suspect that more tempered communication will get you further than being openly hostile.

[GotGas]

Peter acted in order to support Aaron without any wish to offend anybody.

When someone opens a conversation with language like this:

Theoretical posturing is meaningless. Ranting about the infallibility of Thermodynamics is equally un-useful.

I hardly consider the thermal properties of a spark plug a rant about the infallibility of thermodynamics and when a person makes a statement like that, the intent is to offend and they should expect a response.

he does deserve respect if nothing else then for being the one popularizing some of the rarely known concepts and inspiring a great number of people.

Uh huh, the inventors popularized the concepts and gave the concepts credibility. It was others that destroy the credibility with disinfo. smears and pseudo science.

Stan Meyer was good inventor. Linderman got to eat some crow he tried to cook up for a dead man that had the courage to take on the big boys. There is plenty more crow where that came from.

I said what I had to say to Linderman in response to his ridiculous assertions that is where it ended for me and it does not have anything to do with you. I could really care less what you think. You are obviously still hurt that I pointed out to you the difference between a battery and a capacitor.

I have better things to do than teach Linderman what a resonant circuit is or you a capacitor. Sure, Lot's of people could help guys out, even I could upload something that would solve your problems right now, but I won't.

Instead, I'll leave you with the nail coil thingy hidden under the secret special tin cup hat. Somehow I think that is going to be right up your alley.

I no longer have any desire to help the open source free energy community. Selling out to big oil is so easy and you actually get something for it besides your two cents worth.

C-ya

PS - Since your batteries will explode, I highly recommend you go with the lithium ion, you get get so much more bang for the buck.

[Peter Lindemann]

Your Unprovoked Outburst

Aaron - I can't seem to edit my posts to fix my many typos so you get the "Hi, Aaron" in the middle in the last post - maybe you can fix that. I am older and my eyesight is not very good and it is difficult for me to spot a type in this text box.



Wow, that was an unwarranted assault Peter. Perhaps you missed the part where AB Effect produced Kondo dephasing affects electron-electron interactions or the part about infrared divergencies dominate dephasing due to electron-electron interactions. That is some fairly solid science from credible scientists that didn't buy a honorary PHD from a naturopathic school overseas.

Plasma cooling is hardly an "astonishing phenomena", it is well known and used in industry for a variety of purposes such as welding.

You are the guy that people claim wrote a book called "The Final Secret to Cold Electricity" but forgot to disclose what that final secret is. Ironic isn't it? Here we are discussing cold electricity and you claim quote "it is one of the most astonishing phenomena I have seen in years" and don't know what it is.

Cold electricity was first observed and termed by Tesla after he noticed a stinging sensation when high voltage contacts were opened and closed and the plasma arc occurred between said contacts.

Old guys like me don't call it EMP, we call it reverse EMF which is not counter EMF (CEMF) or back EMF. It throws a negative sharp pulse on the scope and is used to trigger a Gray tube filled with a gas.

Now you can consider writing a free addendum now that you just learned what cold electricity is.

I hardly think I am theoretical posturing or ranting about the infallibility of thermodynamics when I ask the simple question "how can a spark plug gain 7 degrees all in less than a second when there are only seven degrees available and when the arc event is only a fraction of the duty cycle" ;-)

I addressed many of the possible explanations that COULD explain the validity to the test unlike you. Also unlike you, I asked one simple question that begs for further study and questioned the claim in a way that anyone with common sense could understand based on the information available in Aarons's video. The thermal properties of iron is hardly ranting about the infallibility of thermodynamics.

I merely asked a question and suggested possible ways to prove / disprove or even explain Aaron's claim. Last time I checked, that is what collaborative science looks like and I hardly doubt that leaves him "out on a limb" and I am damn sure not attacking him or insulting him by asking it.

If my temperature question is "Ranting about the infallibility of Thermodynamics" then we might as well all just throw those temperature sensors away and pretend there is no such thing as heat.

Let me clear one more thing up for you as long as I am converting the energy contained in my brain into distant photons all just for you:

On youtube there is a video of you explaining one of Meyer's circuits where you state that the circuit can not be resonant because of the existence of a blocking diode in a tone that is insulting and intimates Meyer made a fraudulent claim in his patent.

I didn't bother with the toroid since it would actually enhance the resonance. Here is Meyer's basic patented circuit minus the toroid and it took less than two minutes to breadboard. Notice the blocking diode on the breadboard right off the power rail? I just grabbed whatever diode was closest since any silicon rectifier will work. Notice the two .5H chokes? The 2n3055 switching it to ground, the test cell between the chokes? The resonance on the scope?

After reading what you wrote again, I went back to my bench and grabbed every "blocking diode" within reach (6) and put them all in the circuit and replaced the photo. The diodes range from 50V to 1000V and who knows what in between. Notice how resonance didn't change at all? I could have placed 100 "blocking diodes" on that breadboard and it would still be a resonant circuit that looks just like that.

I was also kind enough to include a close up of the scope so that you would know what a resonant circuit looks like if you ever see one in real life...

So I guess you missed that pulse pickup coil in Meyer's patent and what that is all about. Unlike you, I actually know something about Meyer electrolysis methods, his electronics and the quantum physics involved in mass to energy conversion used in other devices.

You can covert mass into the atomic energy contained in that mass and energy into mass and it does not violate thermodynamics. There are just people that understand thermodynamics and how so called "free energy" machines work and people that don't.

Final thought Linderman - Be careful who you pick a fight with on the science playground. You are what is called a target rich environment and that was just shot over your bow. I Publish responses to people like you and they are forever on the web. It would show a total lack of integrity to delete my response to your flame attempt but it would not surprise me in the least. This would make a nice addition to Wikipedia and John Bedini's comments, best you leave it here or I move it elsewhere.

Dear "GOTGAS",

I did not "pick a fight" with you, although you certainly started one with this post. My Degree is a genuine HONORARY DEGREE. I was nominated for it by a third party. I NEVER requested it! It is a Doctorate of Science in Complimentary Medicine for which I am qualified, having done 20 years of work in the field. You cannot dangle this over my head as if I should be ashamed of this. It was an HONOR to receive this degree. If you don't like it, you are welcome to ignore it.

There is no such book titled "The Final Secret of Cold Electricity". You have confused two titles of two separate books. My book is titled The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity and is a treatise on the inner workings of Ed Gray's EMA motor power supply. A number of years ago, Tom Bearden wrote a book titled The Final Secret of Free Energy. It is Tom's book that does not reveal the "final secret". My book makes no such claims. Also, my lecture titled Tesla's Radiant Energy consists of over 50% Tesla quotes and is the most complete compilation of Tesla's thoughts and experiments on the subject ever assembled. Considering your comments, it seems you are unfamiliar with my work.

Many of your other comments about me are similarly error ridden.

I believe that more can be learned by people REPLICATING the experiment and observing its many unusual behaviors, and THEN postulating on a theoretical explanation for what is observed. I would be much more interested in your speculations if you would, please, build the circuit and see what it does for yourself. You seem particularly well versed in the scientific literature. You might be quite intrigued by this little experiment.

Until then, I will not crawl in some hole and leave commenting on your posts to "real scientists" simply because you threaten me with an unprovoked character assassination on the Internet. You are the one who openly attacked me in an otherwise CIVIL forum. My two sentence comment, in defense of Aaron's experimental findings, which did not mention any names, did not warrant your response.

In order that this thread may return to the scientific inquiry it was meant to be, I am willing to forgive your unprovoked outburst. You, of course, are also welcome to redeem yourself with an apology and a future commitment to civil behavior.

Up until this post, I had found a great deal of value in your contribution, even if much of it was speculative. Your comments on the limitations of the IR thermometer readings when used to measure a plasma I found particularly insightful.

I propose the unnecessary personal interaction end here. Please help make this forum a place of respectful, scientific conversation and inquiry.

Peter

[Aaron]

this thread must stay on topic

I want to see this thread focus only on the experiments with this spark plug effect. Study it, what is it, how to enhance it and how to get benefit from it in practical application. Personal stuff can be done through private message or elsewhere.

There are a lot of people in overunity.com working on this and if someone else doesn't post the updates, I'll post the updates. Rick has been kind enough to post the updates on the S1R stuff.