Water Sparkplug

[Ozicell]

Kiker

Hi Jeff,

Use this link:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-products.html

Check out the patents(x5) attached to the 1st link in the 1st post.

There are a few approaches that can be taken, and several others are working on nice little ways to get that plug cracking. Keep an open mind here, as we could tackle this a few different ways, then figure out what's the most practical.

Remember that open air tests are not going to display the same results as pressure tests, and it could be that "less" really turns out to be "more" once pressures are applied.

At the least, we're all making progress toward a common goal.

Regards,
Ross

Been reading up on the patents and have posted on the other thread. I just happen to have brand new copper tube 4 metres long of slightly less dimensions than the patent specifies.

Jeff

[Jetijs]

Ok, I finally got some free time for experiments. I decided to try Aarons booster cap circuit. Here are two circuits I used:


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With the relays I used now, I can go up to 200V on the primary cap. Anything more than that and I have the contact sticking problem. Both high voltage diodes consist of two parallel strings of sixteen 1n5408 diodes in series. That makes on big 16kV 6A diode. The bridge is rated 1000V 10A, there is a mistake in the schematic. Ok, at first lets look at the first circuit. Here we have the standard water spark circuit with the booster cap attached. The booster cap + is connected to the ignition coils HV output via the HV diode array, the - terminal of the booster cap is connected with the common negative side. The booster cap is charged up with a separate variac. Ok, At first I switched the main variac ON leaving the booster side variac OFF. This gave me the standard increased bangs - the greater the primary side voltage, the bigger bang as long as the relay terminals don't stick. Ok, nothing special. The primary cap voltage was set to 150V and remained this high all the testing time. Then I turned the variac #2 ON at about 30V. The sparks were just as loud and you could not tell almost no difference in spark brightness. Then I turned the variac#2 up till about 150V. The bangs remained at the same loudness, but the spark got much more bright, I have never seen a spark such bright, it was almost like welding spark if not brighter. I could look at the basic big bangs with no eye protection, but not at this spark. Also some smoke came from each discharge, as if the electrodes would burn away. But the thing is that there was no difference in spark loudness.

Ok, next lets look at the second circuit. This time there is no HV diode on the primary side. Just an ordinary cap discharge on the primary side. When the second variac was turned off, the spark was small, weak and quiet, but a bit stronger than from ordinary 12v, so nothing special here. But when I turned the second variac ON, I again observed the smoke from the discharges and a brilliant white big flash, just as bright or even brighter than before. The interesting part is that the spark loudness did not increase, the loudness was the same as in an ordinary cap discharge with no booster cap at all. This is strange. If you get such bright and strong sparks, you would expect a GRAND bang, but the discharges are quiet.

I kept increasing the second variac voltage. I got up to 170V and the on the first flash the automatic fuse blew and the room went dark. After switching the fuse ON again, I checked the circuit and it all worked fine, as long as I did not go too high on the booster cap voltage. I noticed that when the second variac was ON, the brilliant flashes did not appear on every discharge, but the higher the voltage was on the booster side, the more often the flash appeared and when it fired I could hear a ringing sound from my variac, as if the variac coils would be hit (somehow) by this high voltage blast. The greater the voltage on the booster side, the greater the ringing sound from the variac till the voltage is too high and the fuse blows.

[Mario]

Hi Aaron,

very interesting explanation indeed, thank you. Wouldn't it be nice to get this new ignition system to work in a generator running on water ? And maybe that water could even be recycled back to the input...

regards,
Mario

[Aaron]

boost cap

Hi Jetijs,

When Peter and I used the booster cap method and got the caps a little over 1000v, the loudness continued to get louder with brighter flash as well. Interesting that your loudness stayed same but brightness increased. I believe the current was being limited somehow. I'll show a vid on that.

With that test we had 2 diodes in series...each was 12kv 350ma.

I'll post a vid of more spark stuff soon.

[Mario]

Hi all,

I'm in the ballpark and am now able to explode water too
First I used the basic circuit charging a 22uF cap with a SS SG to about 250V.
Then I tried pulsing the primary with a 555 driven SS SG, using the primary as the SG coil. With this I can go from a few herz to as high as I want...
I was using this as the "trigger spark" to make a booster cap discharge. A bit like Ossie's circuit, btw, I don't understand why he pulses the coil with inverted polarity from the battery? I just connected coil neg to collector of transistor and coil lv to battery pos. (SG style)
Anyway pulsing the coil works fine and I get normal week sparks. As soon as I connect the booster cap across the hv side (with the diodes) the pulsing sparks die, like if the hv side would get shorted through the cap, but that's impossible since there are the diodes. Weird. Any ideas?

I could simply use the basic circuit and discharge the cap bedini cap pulser style into the coil with an SCR or transistor. But I thought the cap booster discharge would be more sudden since it doesn't need to be switched. Also the switching of the primary coil is more precise to do compared to the cap discharge and doesn't require a big SCR...

regards,
Mario




Anyway,

[Aaron]

blown diodes?

Hi Mario,

The only time the booster caps don't work for me is if the diodes are blown...then it is a short circuit.

If you have a multimeter that can check diodes you can test them. You should have a 0 reading with the polarity one way and reversing the leads to the diode(s)..they should have about a 0.5v reading on the meter. If you're using the 1kv diodes.

[Mario]

Hi Aaron, the diodes are fine, I already checked. The only thing I can think of is that since the pulser circuit hits the primary coil with 12V from the battery the spark is not strong enough to trigger the booster.
In the mean time I did the basic circuit with SS SG charging the cap and a timer-opto-cap pulser that discharges it into the primary of the coil. Works fine! Had water-bangs up to 50 Hz or so.
I imagine that by giving the cap enough juice in the basic circuit it can be equivalent to the booster option? Or is the booster still better?
Also, it would seem that one can go with more capacitance or more voltage, but I would think that higher voltage works better than more capacitance at a lower voltage?

thanks,
Mario

[Ozicell]

Need advice

I have some microwave components - tranny, cap, rectifiers. Is any of this helpful in making the circuit?

[Ozicell]

Need advice

Also, would a 240v AC light dimmer switch be of any use?

[Aaron]

spark prolonger

see this for a spark prolonger
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...939-814-a.html

[gazzzwp]

Cannot Achieve Radiant Effect!

New Circuit.

I was trying to create the radiant effect but using solid state switching instead of a relay charging a capacitor.

The circuit is shown below. Some people should recognise the electronics part as it is a replication of Dave Lawtons D14 circuit. The microwave oven transformer was necessary in order to achieve isolation between the HV and the electronics. Driving the ignition coil directly with the Field Effect Transistor (FET) simply destroyed the 100 ohm resistors.

With the AC switched off, the circuit produces a clean spark which can be varied in intensity and speed by using the potentiometers.

With the AC switched on there is no discernable difference with the spark which I have to say dissapointed me. I was expecting to see the radiant effect. I even tried disconnecting two of the bridge rectifier diodes, suspecting that the spark was being dampened by a circuit through the diodes. This made the bridge half wave instead of full wave, and the effective DC voltage was reduced from 95 Vdc to about 30 Vdc. Sadly, still no radiant effect.

I suspect therefore that the radiant effect is due to the capacitor discharge. I say this because apart from the higher frequency switching, that is the only difference between my circuit and the others. If this is true then sadly I feel that it limits the usefulness of the radiant effect.

Any suggestions/ideas welcome.

PS How do you show an attachment as a full picture rather than a thumbnail?

Gazza

[elias]

New Circuit.
I suspect therefore that the radiant effect is due to the capacitor discharge. I say this because apart from the higher frequency switching, that is the only difference between my circuit and the others. If this is true then sadly I feel that it limits the usefulness of the radiant effect.

Gazza

Hi

Of course as you know a capacitor + Inductor has a natural frequency at which the voltage and current oscillate when you discharge a capacitor through a coil, now if your circuit with pulsing a dc does not work, then it may be related to the resonance effect between the capacitor and coil, I have the components necessary for experimenting with solid state, I intend to do that.

BTW, Thanks for the schematic
Elias

[elias]

The capacitor discharge is something!

Yes,

I verified that this effect is somehow produced by total cap discharge, which makes an oscillation occur also, I suppose that the sudden cap discharge makes the potential get compressed and burst out to the ground from the spark plug exploding water on it way. Pulsing a simple battery would not cause this effect to happen,

More experiments to do ...

Elias

[Aaron]

posting a pic

Hi Gazza,

You have to have the picture online somewhere so you have a website link (url) to it.

Then click the button to enter the link and it will come up as a pic.

[gazzzwp]

High Speed Switching

Elias

Yes I agree with your theory, and await your experiments.

The reason why I say that it limits the usefulness of the effect is because a large capacitor is not suitable for use in a high frequency switching circuit due to charge/discharge time.

The effect would need to occur at high frequency for it to be utilised in an ICE. By high freq I mean up to 100Hz.
(3000rpm = 50 Hz). So far I have only seen the radiant effect occur with relay circuits at say 1-2 Hz. This has to be solved before the circuit can have wider applications.

Gazza