Water Sparkplug

[paulsonaivy]

gr8 jod buddy can u pls upload the shematic so that we can also try
rgds paul

[jibbguy]

Camera setting

That sounds great, cant wait to see the shots

You could try using a very slow shutter speed (with the camera mounted on a tripod or somehow solid), click the camera then trigger one plasma burst immediately afterwords.

[Ahchoooo]

Question

Hello everyone. I would just like to share my latest video with everyone....

YouTube - DEFINITIVE PRESSURE TEST w/ PLASMA SPARK

Thank You!

Excellent video. Can you please elaborate how you manage to inject water on the spark plug before firing? How much water did you inject? Was the water directly on the plug? And why didn't the pressure remain after firing? Where did you think it go? Do you think it was the explosion/implosion effect proposed by Aaron? Thanks.

[smw1998a]

Logic control

Hello All,
Time has caught me again as I have none! I will try and draw the logic circuit schematic tomorrow. Until then, I will just try and explain what it is. The circuit was built for a different purpose, like the charge pump circuit. I just cobbled it in and adjusted it to suit my needs.

The heart of the circuit is a CMOS 4017 decade counter. When the decade counter receives a suitable clock signal each of the ten outputs switches from low to high in sequence and then starts over. These little chips are great for “Night Rider” type sweeping LED’s etc. The clock signal for this circuit is generated by a CMOS 4047B monostable/astable IC.

What I wanted from the circuit was a means to switch on the charge pump circuit to charge the capacitor for a set time. Then, to switch off the charge pump and initiate the capacitor discharge. At it’s most basic level, the logic circuit’s output is nothing more than a square wave with a fixed 90% duty cycle regardless of frequency.

The third IC is a CMOS 4001 quad two input nor. Two of the nor gates on this chip are configured as a set/reset flip flop. The output of the flip flop goes to pin 4 of the section a timer in the charge pump circuit. The first output “A” of the decade counter sets the flip flop and this sends pin 4 of the section A timer high, switching on the charge pump circuit. Output pin “I” on the decade counter resets the flip flop sending the output to pin 4 low, switching off the charge pump. Output pin “J” provides the pause between charge pump cycles. Hence, the 90% duty cycle.

Output pin “I” of the decade counter is also connected to an edge triggered monostable. The purpose of the monostable is to light the LED in the H11D1 IC and thus triggering the capacitor discharge. When the output from pin “I” goes from high to low the monostable lights the Led for the time dictated by its RC components.

Frequency is controlled by the potentiometer in the 4047B’s RC network. Because of the decade counter the duty cycle of the charge pump is always 90% and the edge triggered monostable driving the LED in the H11D1 ensures that the pulse duration is not affected by adjustments to the frequency of the main logic circuit.

As circuits go, it’s not as complicated as it looks and the components are cheap and easily obtained.

All The Best Lee…

[xbox hacker]

Excellent video. Can you please elaborate how you manage to inject water on the spark plug before firing? How much water did you inject? Was the water directly on the plug? And why didn't the pressure remain after firing? Where did you think it go? Do you think it was the explosion/implosion effect proposed by Aaron? Thanks.

I just sprayed water in the air inlet valve and then applied pressure. I am working on a injector system for the jig now, i have some help from others on OU.com

It was not really a "plug", its to bolts makeing a spark gap.

I dont think it was explosion/implosion...more like a explosion to make the pressure, then when the HHO recombined to make water it creates a vacuum... i think that is what he was talking about. I am not testing with a automotive cylinder pressure tester...so if the pressure goes up, it should stay up on the gauge.

[tstorey]

Aaron, no time.

A small device exists for cameras. It activates the shutter when there is 'light." May be too fancy.

Thoughts...big size of flash and large noise emmission....this is concentration...this is compression....this is big sh%$ happening in the same realtive space as small sh%$...maybe.

Back tomorrow.

T

[Vortex]

what are some issues?

After seeing
Water Sparkplug III a Great job by smw1998a
I thought fantastic, what's next?
I thought of parallel development.
What are some issues in getting this circuit into a car?

How is this factor over-come? (more info than is available at link)

"NGK strongly recommends using resistor spark plugs in any vehicle that uses on-board computer systems to monitor or control engine performance. This is because resistor spark plugs reduce electromagnetic interference with on-board electronics."

I hate to rain on the parade but you burn water with the plasma,
but you still can't install it on a modern car?
Seems you can't use non-resistor wires and/or
spark plugs in a modern car?
This is water spark plug only meant to be used for generation
of electricity and not for cars? That would be just dandy by me...

Would not parallel development move things along faster?
Something of "real" use today would involve more people.
How can we use this circuit with gasoline in a car today?

For those without a custom made sparkplug like Ozicell's
For those without a Firestorm sparkplug which might never
become real.
I assume the Firestorm, if created and sold, will be WITH resistor.
How do we, can we, could we work with spark plugs with resistors?
I'm ignorant and don't know these things, but that
does not make these issues or questions any less valid.

The halo design would be an easier modification
than a Firestorm design.
Video 1
Video 2

After 1-5 mins of sparking:
How hot does a plug get just sparking normally?
How hot does a plug get with a plasma spark?

I found this:"It's important to remember spark plugs do not create
heat, they only remove heat."

Would not a cooler plug last longer, a plasma spark runs cooler, right?
Would not a plasma burn prevent most of the problems a
normal plug generally has to deal with?
Pre-ignition, Detonation, Misfires, Fouling

Would not this circuit improve gas mileage, "as is"
right now .. here today, using gasoline and normal
sparkplugs?

The use of steam and bubblers have already been installed on
cars and would be of greater value with a plasma spark,
but this circuit has to be installed first!
Parallel development?
Normal plugs worry about being too hot or too cold which
effects the sparking.. this shouldn't be an issue using
a plasma spark.

Side gapping spark plugs has been used in racing for years
Save Gas And Improve Horespower By Sidegapping Sparkplugs - Video
(sounds like a way to improve plasma sparks to me)

Getting non-resistor spark plugs is an issue!
Using them seems to be an ISSUE also.

Just Thinking
Randy

[InstrumentGuy]

Hi Xbox, I'm just curious about what the volume is of your pressure test setup.
Thx

[Aaron]

single frames from vid camera

My video camera, a mini DV tape recorder, couldn't catch enough because it is too high speed...these frames are from the video camera.

I'm not setup for a real photo shoot on this so hopefully someone will do the real blasts and get some pro photos.

Just cdi pre spark. 47uf @ 160v


Booster cap thru diode of 330uf around 200v.
It got much bigger, but this is all the camera caught.


Ground strap bent outwarrds.
Again, was much bigger, this is all that was caught
of the more "solid" part of the plasma.
These balls were getting up to 1.5-2" in diameter.


This is with water sprayed on the spark.
Again, got bigger. This is with booster cap
at 330uf around 200v. I moved the booster
cap voltage from 100-400 range back and
forth.


With these blasts I'm doing with the
booster cap method, the plasma is
absolutely ejecting away from the plug.

[Aaron]

big cap blasts

The larger booster cap blasts:

The plasma is definitely ejecting from the plug. It is necessary to move up in capacitive dumps because at higher frequency, the plasma tends to float at the gap...but with the larger dumps, it doesn't stand a chance. The Lorentz force is strong enough to accelerate it outwards.

The effect is of course much bigger, but that means there is less of it near the gap for recombination. Therefore, more of it can move outwards...again, without recombination. The color changes...even with the smaller effect at the gap, from the middle outwards...is mostly pure white, with a touch of blue at the edge...and if you can see it clearly...there is actually a reddish/orangish tinge at the circumference of the ball past the blue...barely visible but there. This is much more obvious with the bigger blasts where the red/orange color leads the flame front and makes up probably 1/3 of the entire color of the ball followed by blue and then white.

If this plasma effect gets big enough, an engine could probably run on the shock waves alone without any added water or anything.

[tstorey]

Plasmas are created in industry to use the shock wave for mechanical work....ie...a company has a machine that uses an electromagnetic plasma generator that is used to dig on the ocean floor. The shock wave from the plasma is powerful enough to crush rock. (Get ear protection please.)

When you achieved "no shock wave" (noise emmission) it is the speed of the plasma creation as the reason for the shock wave is the inability of the speed of sound to "keep up" with the speed of the ion flow/gas. you still had some noise, just out of your hearing...got a dog? Aaron...you made a slow plasma...imagine that?

I am not able to help with this "gap" discussuion. Erosion is Hydrogen embrittlement (and, of course, heat) which is a *****. The high quality stainless (high chromium/nickel) has the oxide coating that helps, but, does not stop hydrogen atoms from diffusing into the steel and interrupting the metal's atomic structure. (Take a look at my 316 ss electrodes.)

"Bigger blasts with orange" means you are getting another effect beside the original effect." Maybe you can see ranges.

The pictures are fantastic as they confirm that it is a plasma and that the temperature and speed of the gas is enough to blow **** up. (too technical for ya?) Seems to be starting the "H20 cycle" with the shot of the plasma with water spray.

I am reading a couple of technical papers on mag fields and plasma. Yes there is a mag field at the gap.

I say there will always be a mag field as we are sitting in one now and earth's magnetosphere has an effect on any charged particle....including the ions in a water plug plasma.

I hold that the plasma is unto itself and science recognizes it as such. I hold that Electron flow WITHIN the plasma generates a mag field and suggest that the plasma, once in the atmosphere of your work shop has a "majority charge"...the particles (H ions) are mostly positive. They in turn demand that any free electrons (-) in the atmosphere of your shop be attracted to them....creating still another field around the plasma drawn from atmospheric particles/free electrons.

Maybe you have a positively charged monopole....at which point all you water plug guys get the Nobel prize because they haven't found one of those yet.

[goldenequity]

HV Water Fire

Crob227 is having fun (again)... nice vid!
YouTube - HV Burning Water NO HHO
@all
Does this look to be the same effect as Lee/smw1998a is showing... with just a different technique?
or
is he demonstrating something altogether different?

[rmitoday]

Hello everyone. I'm a newbie and solder tinker.I've just build Aaron's circuit and got a weak spark. While waiting for smw1998a's completed circuit I'm thinking to use microcontroller instead of discrete ICs. Just have been searching the internet and found a interesting thing to share with you semifluid.com » PIC12F683 High Voltage Flyback Transformer Driver
Here is spark picture

Here are vids
semifluid.com » High Voltage Flyback Transformer Videos

Interesting huh? Any idea?

[rmitoday]

Here is my initial design. I've chosen pic16f876A because i have one. You can choose whatever MCU you like. RC0 pin to drive step up transformer. RC1 pin to switch thyristor to discharge HV capacitor. The rest is same smw1998a's design. Let go to coding tonight. I love programming.

[Aaron]

New Plasma Water Spark Plug Ignitor Video

Here's the latest vid...where the pics came from:
YouTube - Plasma Ignition Water Spark with Booster Caps