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**gotoluc** · 08-22-2008, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by jibbguy View Post

Part 4 of the "Free Energy and Open Source Energy Movement" series published & headlined today at:

OpEdNews

It discusses several aspects of he plasma spark phenomena. You will recognize some names dropped there

Thanks for posting this jibbguy

Luc

**Gre** · 08-22-2008, 03:15 AM

Has anyone tried spraying a very fine mist of water (+electrolyte) into the plasma arc? Or steam?

**gmeast** · 08-22-2008, 03:52 AM

luminous

Originally posted by Gre View Post

Has anyone tried spraying a very fine mist of water (+electrolyte) into the plasma arc? Or steam?

Hi Gre,

I think everyone in this forum has tried that. I know I misted some KOH on it and because it's conductive and also a salt it was very luminous and, no doubt, corrosive to the electrode materials. But still quite a show!

Search the YouTube videos and you'll find some where people have mounted the plug over a pot of boiling water or some sort of vapor generator.

Great question though!

Peace,

Greg

**Ozicell** · 08-22-2008, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by Kinetix View Post

Hi everybody.
Ozicell, looks interesting your experiment. Unfortunately, I don't quite understand what circuit is there. Could you, please draw a very little schematic of that? Thanks.
I think the rule of thumb is:
1mm of air gap needs 1KV to be jumped.
For those of you using SSR's or relays: why don't use a MOSFET to do the job? Maybe with a little circuit trigger to delay the discharge of plasma with a few microsecs, to allow HV spark to occur.
Has anybody tryed a simple schematic like this?

All the best.

Hi Kinetix,

I just hooked it up to the distributer and ran it from the motor!
Cheers
Jeff

**Ozicell** · 08-22-2008, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by magnetO View Post

Please Ozicell,

as you are so far with playing, do me a favour, and go a little bit ahead:

Take a watertight, electrical insulating, not-easy-inflamable plate or sheet, something like kitchen bench surface material or the like, and put it on your workbench.

Give a small puddle of water on the sheet - insulated from workbench.

Do fire to the puddle of water for some 10..20 sparks.

Stopp sparking
(Be sure nobody is watching you - in your real life!)
And... (Joe, from near Brisbane, suggested in a Video, he can burn water..)

...would you please try to lighten the water with a flame/lighter???

I know, a strange idea.

magnetO

G'day MagnetO,

I haven't done this as yet but do so soon and post the results.
Cheers
Jeff

**Ozicell** · 08-22-2008, 07:22 AM

Hydroxy from a simple copper coil

Hi Guys,

I am posting this here as it is related to our spark plug research and I thought you may find it interesting.

Firstly, this was inspired by a company that is selling a hydroxy system based on what appears to be a copper coil electrode and they are claiming big production from plain tap water.

Ok, so I thought I'd se if I could make anything like it and see how it performs in plain tap water.

To put the following videos into perspective, what you are looking at is a piece of 1" electrical conduit about 2" long. Around it I have wrapped 2 lengths side by side of coated winding wire - 0.65mm diam. After assembly, I took 400 grit wet n dry paper and took the exposed surface off the wire. The first video uses plain tap water and the second filtered tap water. I did the second video because one comment didn't believe that I was producing hydroxy. Ok, I am charging with 12 volts at around 1/2amp. and production considering the size of the coil, water condition, voltage and current isn't too bad! There is no way that I would be using copper though if I were to try this for useful production as it will break down and it also pollutes as it does. I may try to make something similar out of SS. BTW, the bubble that I exploded was probably only 3mm diam and this and several others I ignited went off with very loud cracks, so I guess the gas is pretty potent!

Anyway have look and see what you think.

Cheers
Jeff

YouTube - Hydroxy from plain tap water

YouTube - Copper coil exploding bubble

**peteroks** · 08-22-2008, 07:54 AM

What kind of capacitance do you have across your plug that your magneto is triggering? Did you see the water spark effect by pulling your plug out of your mower and visually examining it or are you just watching a capacitor voltage drop on each pulse?
Yesterday 06:49 AM

hi arron regarding the magneto i am able to adjust its position and have got some 6k 220pf caps along with massive lv caps - also got some marine plugs[ without the j electrode ]they are great

**Gibs** · 08-22-2008, 11:00 AM

Marine plug

Originally posted by peteroks View Post

hi arron regarding the magneto i am able to adjust its position and have got some 6k 220pf caps along with massive lv caps - also got some marine plugs[ without the j electrode ]they are great

Hi Peteroks, are they resistor free?
I assume that everybody here would like to know the number model of that marine plug.

**swompwalker** · 08-22-2008, 01:09 PM

Here is a Champion #L76V in operation:
YouTube - Interesting pressure test...Capacitor70 Coil
I wonder how the Halo would perform preferably a plug with the -6 at the end of the number - the larger this number the bigger the gap

**gmeast** · 08-22-2008, 02:49 PM

booster cap

Hi all,

I may have missed it but I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could post a 'bare bones' schematic showing the configuration(s) being explored with respect to HV capacitor(s) being placed parallel the coil secondary. I seemed to have missed something. Is this in lieu of the HV diode?

Thanks in advance,

Greg

**gotoluc** · 08-22-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by gmeast View Post

Hi all,

I may have missed it but I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could post a 'bare bones' schematic showing the configuration(s) being explored with respect to HV capacitor(s) being placed parallel the coil secondary. I seemed to have missed something. Is this in lieu of the HV diode?

Thanks in advance,

Greg

Hi Greg, here is my first simple circuit. You don't need an inverter. Just plug the bridge in the wall ac to charge the cap. I have also found that 1N5408 diodes work better than the 1n5404. You only need about 7 if you use the 1N5408.

Luc

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**gmeast** · 08-22-2008, 03:51 PM

didn't pose my question clearly .. sorry

Originally posted by gmeast View Post

Hi all,

I may have missed it but I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could post a 'bare bones' schematic showing the configuration(s) being explored with respect to HV capacitor(s) being placed parallel the coil secondary. I seemed to have missed something. Is this in lieu of the HV diode?

Thanks in advance,

Greg

Hi Luc,

I'm running your original circuit now and it works great except I'm using Peter Lindemann's 'isolation configuration" (DPDT relay) as also shown in my videos. I'm referring to talk of achieving the same effect using a HV cap INSTEAD of the HV diode(s). If no one's actually doing this then I must have misread another post. Am I correct in assuming that the effect is ONLY realized when the HV diode(s) is fed parallel the coil secondary? That seems to be what works.

I almost have my DPDT mosfet switch built so I can run it isolated like with the DPDT relay.

Thanks for responding,

Greg

**gmeast** · 08-22-2008, 04:10 PM

oops again!

Originally posted by gmeast View Post

Hi Luc,

I'm running your original circuit now and it works great except I'm using Peter Lindemann's 'isolation configuration" (DPDT relay) as also shown in my videos. I'm referring to talk of achieving the same effect using a HV cap INSTEAD of the HV diode(s). If no one's actually doing this then I must have misread another post. Am I correct in assuming that the effect is ONLY realized when the HV diode(s) is fed parallel the coil secondary? That seems to be what works.

I almost have my DPDT mosfet switch built so I can run it isolated like with the DPDT relay.

Thanks for responding,

Greg

It's not really parallel the secondary. It's more like a feedback loop steering the current from the primary's field collapse to the output of the secondary.

Thanks,

Greg

**gotoluc** · 08-22-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by gmeast View Post

Hi Luc,

I'm referring to talk of achieving the same effect using a HV cap INSTEAD of the HV diode(s). If no one's actually doing this then I must have misread another post. Am I correct in assuming that the effect is ONLY realized when the HV diode(s) is fed parallel the coil secondary? That seems to be what works.

I almost have my DPDT mosfet switch built so I can run it isolated like with the DPDT relay.

Thanks for responding,

Greg

Oh I see, yes here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post26623
It is Jetijs that brought this information. He has a video demo of this: YouTube - Water spatk circuit using HV caps instead of the diodes

I don't know if anyone else tried this wet

Hey, I'm also working on a mosfet switch to replace the relay. I'll share once I have it working. Please share yours if it's ready.

Luc

**gmeast** · 08-22-2008, 10:53 PM

Caps

Originally posted by gotoluc View Post

Oh I see, yes here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post26623
It is Jetijs that brought this information. He has a video demo of this: YouTube - Water spatk circuit using HV caps instead of the diodes

I don't know if anyone else tried this wet

Hey, I'm also working on a mosfet switch to replace the relay. I'll share once I have it working. Please share yours if it's ready.

Luc

Hi Luc,

Yes ...Thanks!

Greg

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