Water Sparkplug

[smw1998a]

You Tube Ban

Goldenequity,

Youtube has taken it upon themselves to permanently suppress and ban every single one of my videos and they refuse to comment on it. They won't respond to me no matter what.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...s-youtube.html

Hi Aaron,
This is a worrying development!

[etgone]

Goldenequity,

Youtube has taken it upon themselves to permanently suppress and ban every single one of my videos and they refuse to comment on it. They won't respond to me no matter what.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...s-youtube.html

Hi Aaron,

I was affraid of this since I know everyone here is onto something. I hope you can backup all the threads and most importanly keeping everyones email in a safe place. Do you need another WEB Server for all those videos and/or forums? If so let me know and I will provide you a site free to this cause.

Take care everyone and stay on course,
ED

[goldenequity]

I added my protest email to the growing list of complaints to Youtube regarding your censorship.
I'm probably on many "lists" by now..... what's one more?

[Aaron]

download the zip file

I would highly recommend everyone download this zip file on this post:
http://www.energeticforum.com/27633-post752.html

[sr_ryan1]

What parts (with #'s) do i need to make this circuit for plasma spark? Please help this is my first post.

[Radiant-1]

Odd diode behavior

@ Goldenequity

WoH!
A LOT of graphic work here Radiant... no wonder you were up so long...
nicely done man!
Are you saying that the positive is being "split" by the design of a HV positive charge on the water but then pulsed and air-gapped from the LV positive electrode (which then acts as an electron extractor)?
I think I get it... but want to make sure.
anyway.... nicely done.... are YOU fabricating this? Is anyone?

Well, it wasn't really that much graphic work...I stayed up reading the thread and put together my own rig running a 12v single pole relay switch with a 555 timer, that triggers 24v for my larger 2 pole relay switch (both relays have FWB to collect BEMF). I used 6 STTH810D and a 160uf capacitor...don't have a spark plug so used a piece of metal to reach - nut. It's an interesting beast...I wired a lightbulb in series after the diodes and something odd indeed happened, my 200v capacitor (which was working fine doing about 20Hz) Suddenly blew up! Being so close to operating voltage I assumed it just over charged a little somehow. I then tried to put a 400v cap in it's place, but the effect wasn't working and sure enough the diodes conduct a big HV arc back, so it must have done something to alter the diodes (which still work as diodes at lower voltages) Hmm..
Gotta head to electronics store for more.

Are you saying that the positive is being "split" by the design of a HV positive charge on the water but then pulsed and air-gapped from the LV positive electrode (which then acts as an electron extractor)?
I think I get it... but want to make sure.
anyway.... nicely done.... are YOU fabricating this? Is anyone?

Essentially, I am saying that the positive "being split" is the LV positive being supplied along with the HV positive potential. See the HV potential has a negative aspect to it (flyback vs. forward spike), this aspect will conduct to the positive lead. (try it...pulse just the ignition coil, but instead arc to the positive LV lead...not the on the coil terminal, but, the contact terminal on the relay...wall current positive...as to show not conducting back to ground through primary.) It will in fact arc to both....so the diodes are re-routing JUST that part back into the coil producing as someone noted (I forget who it was) a positive feedback loop. Normally the arc will carry both aspects of the coil and just ground it out. But, this method re-routes it and makes pure DC...possibly the "double pulse" Meyer talked about?? That is what is meant by "splitting the positive".
Also for a more complete uderstanding, you have to realize that two things flow inside a wire...."protons" and "electrons"...I put "" around them because we think we KNOW what they are by defining an atom...but what I mean is + and -. This can be seen by understanding P vs. N type conductance or "semi-conductance"...First off a normal conductor will conduct either...due to it's full electron shell (giving or receiving electrons easily)...a P type conductor starts as an insulator but then an element is added (doping) to take away electrons forming "holes" holes conduct...and N type conductor works in reverse...an insulator is used and an element is added to create extra electrons (which can conduct)

Now, when you add the two together +P-type/N-type- each layer conducts...but when pushed together the boundary only allows electricity to conduct one way.
electrons flow to + Protons flow to negative
+++++++++++++P-type <<<-----/N-type------------------- +++++++++++P-type+++++>>>/N-type---------

THE REASON FOR ELECTROMAGNETISM is because of this duality (Radiant..voltage w/o amperage, creates no magnetism in a wire...and that's only way you can have it...there is no amps w/o voltage, in a wire at least...try dumping a radiantly charged cap into an inductive load)...see they pass each other and have an orbital dance (flower of life) that creates a swirling vacuum inside the wire (why Tesla used copper tubes so much...it produces free floating vortex in air (no drag)...similar to Rodin's coil)


The point is, no coil can produce DC..NONE! There will always be an equal and opposite wave....You might say equal???...yes...one is time compressed (fancy word for sped up), but it's energy is equal(doesn't happen for as long)....So, in an ignition coil, we run off of the backspike of energy (which was provided by magnetic collapse "induced"...not our circuit energy)...and normally the other aspect is carried along, but, out of phase. My theory is that this energy is rerouted into the coil..see, the first wave in a coil is the forward wave with not enough potential to break the spark gap or the right polarity to conduct to ground...in Gotoluc's setup that wave is conducted back to the positive through one wave check valves (moving along with it..electrons...which move in a chain reaction)...Then, when the wave reverses the diodes shut down, and that reversed wave is SLAMMED into by it's flyback counter part. And, since the flyback is higher voltage it wins and all those reversed electrons are moving with it.
This explains the observation I made before...

I finished my replication of the water spark plug this morning...and was doing some tests of diode string versus parallel capacitive discharge. I noticed that they are similar...but, the capacitive discharge can jump a longer gap, and does not explode the water like the diode string.
Well, I got lazy and disconnected the string from the LV positive...but, I left the cathode hooked to the HV lead...well, the second I triggered the cap I got a mild shock from the disconnected diode's anode (lucky I was ungrounded ). So yes, I can confirm that your theory is most likely the correct mode of operation.

More specifcally...

the capacitive discharge can jump a longer gap, and does not explode the water like the diode string

See, the interaction of the two colliding waves lowers the flybacks potential...but, it supplies more amps...so overall, the arc is more energetic...PURE DC (needed to split water)

Would someone please comment on my theory...I would like feedback on this operational hypothesis. Thank you

[Radiant-1]

Read the thread

@sr_ryan1

It's all laid out for ya in the thread...comes up pretty quickly. So, do like I did and read the thread...then you'll find it's easy to replicate in may ways.

I will say this though...you'll need diodes with a fast response time and high reverse voltage ratings (As fast and high voltage you can get...within say 10000v is probably all you'll need...ignition coils sealed at ambient pressure tend you flash over with too much voltage)

[wings]

with reference to the NASA 4,122,816 patent in the zip file
see the following:

Electron Power Systems Technology

http://www.electronpowersystems.com/...0Explained.pdf

http://www.focusfusion.org/

01dpf.jpg

Regards Wings

[wings]

with reference to the NASA 4,122,816 patent in the zip file
see the following:

Electron Power Systems Technology

http://www.electronpowersystems.com/...0Explained.pdf

http://www.focusfusion.org/

01dpf.jpg

Regards Wings

... putting 2 sparkplug faceto face with the pin connected, you have thi effect?

"We have discovered how to make plasma toroids, called EST's (Electron Spiral Toroid's) that remain stable in air with no magnetic fields for containment. This EST can be added to well-known fusion technology to build small fusion reactors with no magnetic containment. We accelerate EST's magnetically. We plan to collide two EST's together to cause fusion reactions."

from Electron Power Systems Technology

[tstorey]

Hello Wings,

Thanks for the research. Totally cool.

I think it may be "nibbling" on the effect we have here.

I am not on the "plasma team". But the information on these sites is definitely in the field of the water spark plug "effect".

Science, and particularly "commercial/industrial physics" is kind of funny. They are totally "locked" onto "accepted theory. These guys you have posted are freeing themselves from that.

Magnetic field containment of plasma is interesting to me in that these people spend money designing magnetic fields to contain plasmas....We live in a magnetic field and last time I checked they weren't charging for it.

Best to all,

T

[Aaron]

fusion plasma

Great find Wings!

It is easy to eject the plasma from the plugs like this. However, the shape of the smoke rings needs the right geometry on a plug-igniter.

When removing the ground strap from a plug, that is more along the lines of that nasa patent.

However, the center electrode is exposed too high up. If that ceramic can be ground down around the center electrode so it is exposed deeper down to start the effect deeper in there, we might be able to create the same donut shape bursts.

It would probably be easy to do with a rod and tube, however that of course wouldnt be too easy to fit to a car.

I saw the paper on the genset. Gasoline $9000+ year. Fusion $10.

So colliding two of these plasma bursts together.

I wonder if they have to be 180 degree opposed or if another plug could be tapped into the top of the combustion chamber slightly angled and if that would work or if one plug could launch two opposing bursts into each other.

Anyway, thanks for posting this!

[neva.]

Plasma ejection

Hello all, - first time contributor here.

I have been following the developments of the water powered car as per s1r's claims from the start. His claims of having produced a part for the 1999 Mars probe caused me to look into the subject of pulsed plasma thrusters that are used on space vehicles for positioning adjustments. The most common thruster uses teflon as its fuel - a spark erodes the teflon to make a gas, then another spark accelerates the gas through a circular passage to make a jet effect. Around the same time (1999) water was experimented with also as a medium for a thruster.

Plasma cutting torches pass a stream of gas or water through an arc discharge to generate the plasma stream.

Champion spark plugs have a plug "N-21" which has the centre electrode bared of ceramic coating to well within the outer body. I have bought some of these and have removed the L shaped earth electrode and then silver soldered a small flat washer to the end of the plug body. The centre electrode protrudes through this washer giving a circular gap of about 30 thou.

The expectation of operation is to get the water mist that is inducted into the engine via the carburettor (or other spraying means) to be forced into the cavity of the spark plug - behind the washer, on the compression stroke of the piston. As the piston begins its downward power stroke, the super spark - plasma spark - generated by whatever means - occurs around the gap as the compressed trapped water vapour exits the plug cavity, through this same annulus where the spark is happening.

For the generation of water plasma as it exits the plug, a continuous spark for a period of time is required - not just a pulse plasma - which lends support to the idea of using an inverter as s1r did as his secondary spark source.

I have a test engine set up. I am in the process of putting a diesel glow plug in the carburettor to heat the water, and also an electric element in the cooling system water jacket to preheat the engine block. I then have to make an inverter system for the secondary spark plasma generator.

Will be interesting to see the results.

[gotoluc]

Hi neva. and aboard

Interesting information you are sharing there. Thanks

My plasma engine proposal is now mostly built!... It is a GEET bubbler (only) which attempts to use the exhaust energy (heat and air pressure) to prepare the water and fuel mix by emulsifying the mixture with the vigorous bubbling action, heat and shock waves of the exhaust (like this example video): Panacea-BOCAF GEET Replicaiton but at the top of my jar I have some Stainless pot scrubbers to which when the bubbles hit they will burst and create a large surface area (surface tension) which in turn will create water gas vapor which our plasma spark will be able to combust @100% with minimal power input. I have finished building the complete bubbler assembly and the next step will be the timing system and the circuit to remove the waste spark. Please also note that I am making a closed loop with the exhaust and intake as I am quite sure it is possible as Frederic Gauthier (a French Canadian like me who lives a few hours from me) demonstrates in his French (sorry) video: YouTube - holy ****...must see I did contact Frederic last year after seeing his video and he has confirmed that he did close the intake and exhaust to create a loop and the engine worked just as well. This is what he is doing with the cloth to show no output or intake. I hope to have a demo some time next week.

Luc

[K1w1]

you tube accounts

Hi Aaron,

I would also like to host your videos as I have linked to them from my blog. I can give you a free private ftp account if you want but also could you send me the demo that you and Peter did explaining how to make the circuit and the video of the lawnmower too?

If anyone else wants to host videos separately from you tube in the future for this project please let me know.

[Aaron]

n-21's and plasma

Welcome Neva!

That plug description of the n-21 sounds exactly what I'm looking for.

Do you have pics you can post of your modification to them?

Do you believe it needs to be one single continuous spark, which is possible of course but do you think rapid multiple sparks quick enough one right after the other would work?

From what I have found so far is that one single large burst versus several smaller is the several smaller will give less wear and tear to the plug...according to some patents and research I studied.

The method I am gravitating towards heavily is the bare minimum input to the primary that gives whatever spark is necessary to have "booster caps" discharge in parallel through diodes. This method has given me the biggest most impressive result.

a spark erodes the teflon to make a gas, then another spark accelerates the gas through a circular passage to make a jet effect.

Champion spark plugs have a plug "N-21" which has the centre electrode bared of ceramic coating to well within the outer body. I have bought some of these and have removed the L shaped earth electrode and then silver soldered a small flat washer to the end of the plug body. The centre electrode protrudes through this washer giving a circular gap of about 30 thou.

For the generation of water plasma as it exits the plug, a continuous spark for a period of time is required