Water Sparkplug

[goldenequity]

Congrats...

Congratulations Revizal!
Have been following your work.... excited for you!
I want to feed that machine some emulsified Brown's gas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
again congrats..... keep us posted with your observations/tests. thx.
randy

[revizal]

Next observation

Yes. No smoke out from exaust. The engine runs so smooth on gasoline. May be next time I will introduce small diesel to the engine w/ plasma spark. Because this is 10.30 PM at my town now.
I will post any progress soon.

Thank you,

Rev.

[tstorey]

REV,

Any observations on exhaust as that is one of the measurements we can check.

Exhaust temp.

Block temp.

Lean setting.

Does the headlight and other ACC function properly?

Fuel usage per hour at idle.

Anyway, thank you for posting. You made it work!

T

[rmitoday]

Hi revizal,
How did you wire Tero's circuit to motobike? Did you connect positive voltage to chassis of bike? I'm afraid of an electric shock.
If everything is clear. I'll test on my bike too. Its exhaust make a lot of black smoke now.
Thank you.

[peteroks]

hi just like to post a circuit that is working reliable aswell

[revizal]

The setting

Hi revizal,
How did you wire Tero's circuit to motobike? Did you connect positive voltage to chassis of bike? I'm afraid of an electric shock.
If everything is clear. I'll test on my bike too. Its exhaust make a lot of black smoke now.
Thank you.

Firstable, I tried to ground the (-) of cap to the engine block, but it did work. I decided to follow S1R-Tero circuit with (+) of cap to grounded and as you see it worked.
I think the right side and left side of circuit separate each other. As long as we could discharge the cap effeciently it doesnot matter to the original engine's circuit. No electrical shock on the motorcycle. Feel free to apply it on your motorbike.

Rev.

[revizal]

REV,

Any observations on exhaust as that is one of the measurements we can check.

Exhaust temp.

Block temp.

Lean setting.

Does the headlight and other ACC function properly?

Fuel usage per hour at idle.

Anyway, thank you for posting. You made it work!

T

I wish to test the datas above too, but I donot have tool to measure it now. Sorry.

Rev

[gmeast]

new video - evolving circuit

Hi all,

I've been working away on an adaptation of the water sparkplug to my generator set. I plan to use one of the several AC outputs to power the circuit, making it self contained and self supporting. Pull-start tests have shown that the generator will pump the Cap up enough to run the circuit on start up.

I posted a new video showing the circuit working off of Triacs for the power components and the relay being used only for signal switching. I will use reed switches for signal switching in the adaptation. I might have to use a step-up transformer for the final pump-up voltage if the plug won't fire under the pressure of compression.

The address for the video is:

YouTube - evolving circuit

The video ends with some O-Scope traces showing the typical Cap CHARGE curve and an interesting look at the Cap DISCHARGE curve with and without the HV Diode. The scales are clearly readable ... not so much for my 'red' text lettering. Sorry about that. Just pause the video to read the text,

Thanks. Peace,

Greg

[gmeast]

new video - evolving circuit2

Hi all,

I re-posted the last video. I think the new one reads a little better. I changed the font/color, etc. The videos seem to loose allot of resolution after uploading and processing.

The new address is:

YouTube - evolving circuit2

Peace,

Greg

[Peter Lindemann]

Great Work

Hi all,

I re-posted the last video. I think the new one reads a little better. I changed the font/color, etc. The videos seem to loose allot of resolution after uploading and processing.

The new address is:

YouTube - evolving circuit2

Peace,

Greg

Greg,

Thanks for the new videos. WOW, the last o-scope shots of the capacitor discharge with and without the HV diode are really impressive. For some reason, I was never able to get clean images with my analog scope. Your digital scope caught the images very well.

Keep up the great work, and thanks for sharing.

Peter

[gmeast]

Thanks

Greg,

Thanks for the new videos. WOW, the last o-scope shots of the capacitor discharge with and without the HV diode are really impressive. For some reason, I was never able to get clean images with my analog scope. Your digital scope caught the images very well.

Keep up the great work, and thanks for sharing.

Peter

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your encouraging commentary. Next stop ... generator set!

Peace,

Greg

[smw1998a]

ScopeShots

Hi all,

I re-posted the last video. I think the new one reads a little better. I changed the font/color, etc. The videos seem to loose allot of resolution after uploading and processing.

The new address is:

YouTube - evolving circuit2

Peace,

Greg

Hi Greg and All,
Great video Greg
It's nice to see similar waveforms from a circuit of differing components. I couldn’t use my little hand held digital scope near the circuit. My analogue scope seems to work fine. I have a suggestion regarding the 45 deg line near the bottom of your discharge trace(with HV diode attached). I had this too until I reduced the capacitance. I considered this as a discharge current that follows the HT spark and thus had no benefit other than to heat up the windings. The reduction in capacitance also allowed me to increase charge time and voltage on the cap. I’m unsure of your charge pump but if you could get 200v or above you should have a more solid “effect” that doesn’t miss the occasional beat.

I have taken my own scope observations much further, which I intend to share with the group once I have another video/photo session.

Good work.

Regards Lee…

[gmeast]

charge pump

Hi Greg and All,
Great video Greg
It's nice to see similar waveforms from a circuit of differing components. I couldn’t use my little hand held digital scope near the circuit. My analogue scope seems to work fine. I have a suggestion regarding the 45 deg line near the bottom of your discharge trace(with HV diode attached). I had this too until I reduced the capacitance. I considered this as a discharge current that follows the HT spark and thus had no benefit other than to heat up the windings. The reduction in capacitance also allowed me to increase charge time and voltage on the cap. I’m unsure of your charge pump but if you could get 200v or above you should have a more solid “effect” that doesn’t miss the occasional beat.

I have taken my own scope observations much further, which I intend to share with the group once I have another video/photo session.

Good work.

Regards Lee…

Hi Lee,

The charge pump is just 'line AC' through the Full Bridge. It's not really a 'pump' in that it does not have its own oscillator and relies on line 110VAC @ 60Hz. This was easy to configure with robust components like Triacs and SCR's ... and quick too. At 25 Hz (equiv. of 3000rpm 4-stroke) there are still several full line AC cycles to fill the cap to 5 time constants (though 3's sufficient). This let me use the Triac (SCR works) to cut off the charge current at AC crossing and keep the circuit 'isolated' as a SPDT switching configuration.

Yes on the cap size but at present I'm limited to the 120VAC so I need a bigger cap. In one of the videos it was shown that the effect is based on total Joules ... lower voltage-need higher capacitance, higher voltage-lower capacitance. Of course most CDIs pump up to 300 + VDC. As I said in my original post of the new video I plan to use my generator's AC output to power the circuit in the adaptation. I will most likely use a step up transformer to step the Cap voltage up a bit through the bridge... I'm just too lazy to build a dedicated oscillator circuit to tell you the truth.

Yes the higher voltage will provide a more substantial and stable effect. As I said, I'm a bit lazy.

Thanks for your suggestions and feedback and taking the time to respond. I sure could use some 'theory' help in wrapping my brain around that odd 'HV diode crook' in the final trace. Please note the scale on the scope as being 250usec/div and at a longer synch times it is difficult to detect. Maybe Dr. Lindemann can chime in on this.

Thanks everyone. Sorry for being long winded. Peace,

Greg

[gotoluc]

Hi Lee,

The charge pump is just 'line AC' through the Full Bridge. It's not really a 'pump' in that it does not have its own oscillator and relies on line 110VAC @ 60Hz. This was easy to configure with robust components like Triacs and SCR's ... and quick too. At 25 Hz (equiv. of 3000rpm 4-stroke) there are still several full line AC cycles to fill the cap to 5 time constants (though 3's sufficient). This let me use the Triac (SCR works) to cut off the charge current at AC crossing and keep the circuit 'isolated' as a SPDT switching configuration.

Yes on the cap size but at present I'm limited to the 120VAC so I need a bigger cap. In one of the videos it was shown that the effect is based on total Joules ... lower voltage-need higher capacitance, higher voltage-lower capacitance. Of course most CDIs pump up to 300 + VDC. As I said in my original post of the new video I plan to use my generator's AC output to power the circuit in the adaptation. I will most likely use a step up transformer to step the Cap voltage up a bit through the bridge... I'm just too lazy to build a dedicated oscillator circuit to tell you the truth.

Yes the higher voltage will provide a more substantial and stable effect. As I said, I'm a bit lazy.

Thanks for your suggestions and feedback and taking the time to respond. I sure could use some 'theory' help in wrapping my brain around that odd 'HV diode crook' in the final trace. Please note the scale on the scope as being 250usec/div and at a longer synch times it is difficult to detect. Maybe Dr. Lindemann can chime in on this.

Thanks everyone. Sorry for being long winded. Peace,

Greg

Hi Greg,

excellent work You can use the circuit attached below to double your 120v voltage. I have noticed the effect is better with higher voltage that capacitance.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

[gmeast]

Hi Greg,

excellent work You can use the circuit attached below to double your 120v voltage. I have noticed the effect is better with higher voltage that capacitance.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

Hi Luc,

Thanks for the schematic. I will build one and test it. I really want to up the voltage. I guess now's as good a time as any. I probably can drop the capacitance also.

Peace,

Greg