Water Sparkplug

[xpskid]

video: multiple spark plug CDI plasma ignition

Hi all,

I have posted a video demonstrating the CORE water spark plug principles as applied to multiple spark plugs. This is NOT the Nexus circuit. It operates as a CDI system like the original isolated circuit brought to us by Gotoluc and demonstrated by Peter Lindemann and also replicators from all around.

The circuit below is the exact circuit as used in the video. It uses 3 HV diodes in parallel (NTE517) per plug ... visible in the video. The circuit does not need a beefy choke (MOT) primary. It will produce a bright plasma discharge on 12 uf. I'm using 47uf in these tests because I like to blow up water.

Great Video Greg

Since you and Jetijs are making such good progress and your GenSet adaptations, I thought I'd watch your updates. I'm not an electronics expert, but am able to follow your schematics. I was waiting to see the final Nexus schematic and start experimenting on V6 GMC. I just recieved all the parts to replicate your solid state schematic. With your latest schematic I'm thinking I'll follow your lead and see if I can contribute with a V6 adaptation.
So here's some questions to ponder:
You're bypassing the points and condenser...?
Assuming one could comfortably operate an ICE under 4500 rpm, then on a V6 you'd need to operate the cap charging at ~ 150Hz, assuming a single cap. Is that possibly ? Or do you need a cap/plug ? With a ring under the rotor, you could always be charging 5 while discharging 1. So you could charge with 300 deg or rotation and only discharge with 60. The reed switches could be mounted around the distributor thus allowing for easy timing adjustments.

Just some thoughts. I'll gladly go to building if you could help with the schematic. Then I can contribute to this group.

Regards,

Timm

[gotoluc]

A1 Greg

You are all doing such a great job

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[ashtweth]

Bravo to all!!

Guys Jetijs, and Nexus stuff is updated in the Doc so no need to re post and go through pages , adding Gregs tonight, we have a new circuit just need to draw up, did some filming over the weekend, and will try the spark with a hydroxy booster on our genset this weekend, video coming.

Ash

[xpskid]

Ok.. need to not rush my posts after a glass of wine...Let's see if I can correct my own figures.
On a V6, @ 4500 rpm, the coil should fire @ 225 Hz, or each plug is firing @ 37.5 Hz.

Timm

[gmeast]

frequency

Ok.. need to not rush my posts after a glass of wine...Let's see if I can correct my own figures.
On a V6, @ 4500 rpm, the coil should fire @ 225 Hz, or each plug is firing @ 37.5 Hz.

Timm

Hi Timm,

That's what I got too. Yes you can charge and dump ... no problem. But the problem IS the 60Hz waveform from the inverter. Doing the same calcs as you did above, you'll find that you can't go any faster than 3333 rpm. That comes from 60Hz on the inverter. The full bridge gives you 120 Hz 'sine humps'. We'd like two of those so that's back to 60Hz. Most CDI DC-DC converter part of the CDI circuit (the pump) runs at hundreds or thousands of Hz to pump the 12VDC up to around to 300VDC. That's why you may have seen some people posting all of those NE555 oscillator circuits. The Nexus circuit will have this issue too I think. IOW, we need a high frequ. inverter.

I very much appreciate the time you took to comment. It will probably be smart to go to electronic triggering of the Triacs instead of reed switches. There is also the issue of vehicles with ECMs (computers) in that we might have to use the vehicle's original coil signal to trigger the plasma circuit. But that's fine. The reason for this is that my circuit's + side floats all over the place and it's this isolation that help it work.

I will adjust my thinking to take into account your truck adaptation. This way much will be solved for all by making your truck operate.

Peace,

Greg

[jstadwater]

Guys Jetijs, and Nexus stuff is updated in the Doc so no need to re post and go through pages , adding Gregs tonight, we have a new circuit just need to draw up, did some filming over the weekend, and will try the spark with a hydroxy booster on our genset this weekend, video coming.

Ash

Hey Ash,

Where is that updated Nexus document located? I would like to try to start testing of that system sometime this week. Thanks...............Mike

[gmeast]

resistor plug

Hi everyone,

I just did a test verifying that resistor plugs do NOT work on the CDI plasma circuit I submitted. Like was determined very early on, non-resistor plugs seem to be a requirement.

Has anyone verified the requirement for Bill's Nexus? I have not been able to find non-resistor plugs for my truck yet. If Nexus works with resistor plugs then the emphasis should go to refining that technology. The circuit I submitted and tested has been an exercise in both the theoretical as well as the practical and requires a bit more work to apply because it is a CDI and soooo isolated.

Perhaps someone should apply an isolation transformer (<150 VA) to Nexus and see if it helps with cross fire.

Peace,

Greg

[xpskid]

Modular Approach ?

For an ICE adaptation of your system, could it be arranged as a modular system like the drawing below ? This would provide plenty of cycles to charge the caps. Or do you think it would easier working with a higher frequency/voltage power supply ?

Regards,

Timm

[Gibs]

Nice

Hi Greg,
I really enjoyed your last vid.

Keep up the good work.

[Kinetix]

Hi everybody.
Greg, if didn't find non-resistor spark plugs, you may try to remove the resistor within them.
I did this with Champion plugs. I think it's the RN9YC4 type, having long thread (M14). After you warm the isolated bottom (the one that is outside the engine), you try rapidly to cool only the metal tip (where comes the spark plug wire) and to unscrew it (has normal, right thread). You need strong tool for this to keep the body of the plug unmoved. The metal tip should have the thread inside the isolator, not outside it. That is the type that can be "tuned" (resistor removed). Yes, I have tried to do so with a NGK BPR5EY-11, and it didn't work, although had the correct metal tip type. But it worked with Champions.
After the tip removed, You'll find a carbon bar resistor type and a little spring inside. Remove the resistor and put a copper wire (3mm thick, or 1.5mm folded) with the same lenght instead. Screw the tip and you're done.
All the best.

[goldenequity]

Nexus Circuit Update

Hey Ash,

Where is that updated Nexus document located? I would like to try to start testing of that system sometime this week. Thanks...............Mike

NEXUS UPDATE
I'm not sure what/where Ash is posting the Nexus Circuit diagram, but unless he is working direct with Bill I don't know what that deal is.
but,
I received an update this morning from Lapperll who is doing all the follow through with Bill/Nexus developer and it is on it's last finalized rendering pending Bill's final review before it is posted for all.
And yes,
I emailed Lapperll a response asking for him to confirm whether Bill is using non-resistor plugs.
It should be finalized shortly and told Lapperll to post to the forum(s) himself as soon as possible.

randy

[goldenequity]

Nexus Plasma Arc Generator

Ok.... Lapperl posted on overunity so I guess it's now CERTIFIED.



and Lapperll's post:

UPDATED NEXUS PLASMA ARC CIRCUIT

@Everyone,

I have updated Bill's Nexus circuit and received his blessing.

He stated that he is using a 2,500 watt Cobra inverter but is only drawing 100ma so a large inverter is not necessary.

He also stated that the capacitor that he is using is from a very old and heavy microwave oven and he has not tried a more modern cap to see if it would work, but he will when he returns from vacation.

I am also planning on testing a modern MOC (.95uf 2000vac) and will publish my findings. I'm just waiting on my diodes from Mouser.

Good Luck to everyone and thanks to Goldenequity and Groundloop for their assistance in this matter Grin

Lapperll

[gmeast]

resistor

Hi everybody.
Greg, if didn't find non-resistor spark plugs, you may try to remove the resistor within them.
I did this with Champion plugs. I think it's the RN9YC4 type, having long thread (M14). After you warm the isolated bottom (the one that is outside the engine), you try rapidly to cool only the metal tip (where comes the spark plug wire) and to unscrew it (has normal, right thread). You need strong tool for this to keep the body of the plug unmoved. The metal tip should have the thread inside the isolator, not outside it. That is the type that can be "tuned" (resistor removed). Yes, I have tried to do so with a NGK BPR5EY-11, and it didn't work, although had the correct metal tip type. But it worked with Champions.
After the tip removed, You'll find a carbon bar resistor type and a little spring inside. Remove the resistor and put a copper wire (3mm thick, or 1.5mm folded) with the same lenght instead. Screw the tip and you're done.
All the best.

Hi Kinetix,

WOW! I didn't know you could do that. That is worth a try and the effort.

Greg

[etgone]

Hey Greg & Everyone,

Here's the video of user (mdbreedi) showing who to "Plasma Plug Setup" >>
YouTube - Plasma Plug Setup

Hope this helps,
ET

[CPU3rother]

Plugs

I have ruined about 20 plugs. Champion RJ12YC plugs are the best I've found for removeing the resistor.