Water Sparkplug

[NXUS]

Has anyone actually determined the ideal energy requirement for the plasma arc and what discharge profile works best, or are these part of the unknowns being determined at this time?

My brain is like a FIFO shift register and its full !!

[jstadwater]

Plug wear.....................

@ NXUS

The lower capacitence and higher voltage = less plug wear. I am on the same set of test plugs here for about two weeks, running the circuit some amount everyday. If you have watched my vids, you have seen me spin this V-8 distributor as high as 5,800 rpm. Multiple tests at 4,300 rpm for 30 minutes+. The only thing I see at the tips is a little discoloration from time to time, probably from me spraying tap water on them over and over. I can't help it, I like to watch the water blow up! The discoloration comes right off with a few strokes of a fine wire brush. I see no visible damage on my plug ends at this juncture. Hope that helps..................................Mike

[NXUS]

Mike , if you are using a voltage multiplier just be aware that they are good for voltage generation but not so good if you need any amount of current. Do you notice if the arc is getting leaner as you up the voltage? You may be current starving the charging circuit, or is all working ok? Would like to take a peek at your multiplyer.

Imfamouse last words at the hadron collider..."Hey it works"..."BANG"

[jstadwater]

@ NXUS

I am presently using four 120uF 450V electrolytic caps and four 1N5408 1000V 3A diodes. I started out with a doubler and have, as of today, moved up to quad. Each time I have increased the voltage, I have a greatly increased effect at the plugs, today was no exception. I made my quad from a diagram in one of Jetijs's posts, here's the link http://www.energeticforum.com/29722-post1026.html

I have it hooked up as in diagram A, is B a better way?

[jstadwater]

Just to make sure, if I decide to play with other uF caps. If I am using four 120uF caps in my voltage quad, that = about 30uF total available output uF to the discharge cap correct? So, I should still be safe if I wanted to try a 5uF discharge cap? Also dependant on the ohms level of the resistor, right?

Mike

[NXUS]

Lookin good, seems like you have this well thought out.

This is the stage where we don't want to mimic the hadron engineers and hear...aww shi....BANG!

[gmeast]

frequency - 200 ohms

That's cool stuff NXUS,

So, IF I increased the resistence to 100 ohms instead of 50 ohms, that should cut my capability in half...........theoretically able to fire only 4,000 times per second instead of 8,000.............correct? If I were to use 100 ohms instead of 50 ohms, would that translate into a lower operating temperature for the circuit? Not that it overheats now (you can look back a page or two and see my temperatures), but less heat is always better in my book. With that theory, my circuit should still be able to function fine with 200 ohms of resistence, (2,000 cycles per second, since I would definitely stay well below 1,000 cycles during actual circuit's top required performance). That all depends on what 200 ohms of resistence would do to my circuit, if anything. Please tell me if I am on track here or not. Thanks in advance.........................................Mi ke

Hi Mike,

The the size of your CDI (dump) Cap?

Greg

[gmeast]

5 uf

Just to make sure, if I decide to play with other uF caps. If I am using four 120uF caps in my voltage quad, that = about 30uF total available output uF to the discharge cap correct? So, I should still be safe if I wanted to try a 5uF discharge cap? Also dependant on the ohms level of the resistor, right?

Mike

Hi Mike,

I'm chasing your posts. 5uf on the CDI cap and 200 ohm on the flow restrictor puts you right at a 6000 RPM for a 4-cylinder. Now this is based on a full 5 time constants for a full charge. But just 2 time constants puts you above 85% + charge. So you're fine for your 8 - cylinder at 5 and 200.

Peace,

Greg

[gmeast]

5 uf

oops posted twice

[xpskid]

Direction

Hi NXUS,

Gotoluc originally posted his finding on this interesting effect that is simple to reproduce. The ultimate goal and hope for this technology is to run an engine on 100% water.

Through collaborative effort, there have been quite a few developments to increase the strength of effect as well as efficiency. Several very talented experimenters here have already put this ignition system into some vehicles and some gas generators.

The ignition system has proven to increase engine speed for the same amount of fuel giving evidence that this plasma absolutely is releasing more potential.

This experimentation is an ongoing process and little by little the effect will become stronger and easier to replicate as well as being understood better. There will be gradual steps in the direction of 100% water fuel power and we're fortunate to have so much open sharing of the progress that everyone is making.

Hi Folks,

Aaron may not be to originator of the effect but he definitely kick the ball down the hill and got Luc's circuit rolling. Several have jumped onboard and continued the advancements. Greg's VexUs circuit currently is the easiest to apply to a vehicle and is still being tweaked. Having said that, it's robust enough to experiment with. Now we need to invent some sort of combustion test bed. Something where we can test the power of mixtures, the differences between gaps and frequencies, differences with a booster kick. I've lined up a high speed video camera to look at the spark, but to really make an impact we need to zero in on the right spark, frequency, and fuel source. I'm open to ideas on simply, quantitative or even qualitative combution tests.

Shoot me your ideas,

Regards,

Timm

[xVx]

240Vac?

Can anyone shed any light on possible problems with running an inverter of 240Vac?

Thanks

[jstadwater]

Thanks Greg,

Right now I am using a 2.5uF discharge, but thought I might play around a little more and up the dump some. Do you know if the higher resistence will affect the inverter in any way detrimentally? I ordered 4 more slide resistors yesterday of 100 watts and up to 250 ohms, so I'll have a wider range of play. Would having a battery charger hooked to the battery while I'm operating the circuit hurt anything? I got the inverter's red light once yesterday while it was just sitting there idle, low voltage I think from the battery. At least it didn't FRY!!

I am moving forward today with the Suburban 350 install. I may not have the circuit tied up good enough to drive it up the road, but I intend to have it operational and fire up the 350 engine on plasma and see what it's reaction will be. Wish me luck, I'll post updates as I go along. Thanks again to everyone for all the help and great info provided here, be back shortly........................................... ..Mike

[jstadwater]

@ xVx

I can't see any problems with running a 240 inverter. Just make sure your components are rated WELL above the inverter's output capabilities, and you should be fine. Higher voltage with a smaller uF capacitor works better anyway! Less heat in the circuit, less wear on the plugs, and drops the amperage requirment way down. This is the experience I've had in my tests anyway, which circuit are you building? I am presently using a 120 inverter with a voltage quad setup at above 600VDC, the "effect" at the plug is outstanding! Using either a full wave bridge rectifier OR a voltage doubler, tripler, or quad, will change your voltage back to DC from the inverter's AC. Good luck, and happy testing.............................Mike

[NXUS]

Hi Mike, I didn't have an epiphany in the shower this morning but a few concerns did surface.

I checked out what the typical gap size and what breakdown voltages are typical for sparkplugs and 2mm gap= ~12Kv. The stearing diodes you are using are rated at 15kv which you would think is ok, except in a distributor based ignition system there are 2 gaps, the other is in the distributor itself. It has a gap of (I am guessing here) about 1 mm = 6kv to pop across, so now we have a total of about 18+kv potential developing before we fire. The coil itself can easily generate about 30kv before the spark is formed. The gap will clamp this voltage but for a short period the line will have the potential to exceed the reverse breakdown of the injection diodes. I think this may be the source of the transients you occasionally experience. I would suggest putting at least 2 of the ntg517 diodes in series at each plug. May be a little more expensive but you should improove the isolation and prevent breakdown effects.

Another niggly that is bothering me is that after the coil fires the arc is formed, the gap impedance drops and then the cdi circuit fires, well if the distributor is still arcing (which is probably the case since this happens real fast) there is still a path back to the coil and I wonder what effect we have on it? Might need to diode steer it also if we are causing the coil some disruption, no facts just wondering!

Sorry for my verbal diareah here, one more observation.

The transient protection devices you are using are perfect if it is the bidirectional ones, the problem is that to properly protect the circuit from common mode and differential spikes you need 3. One across like you have done but also one from each leg to the chassis (ground). We use these on almost every product we make and we have found this to be neccessary to have proper protection.

K..nuff said...

[NXUS]

Just a heads up to those who read my posts and cringe at my spelling or grammar mistakes. I am dislexic and writing is a real chore for me, so please bear with me and I appologize for any stress this may have caused you. As for the therapy bills you incurr as a result of reading my posts...sorry your on your own..