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  • @ NXUS

    Here is what I have found in my endeavors thus far. I use factory style plug wires for my circuits. These wires have WAY WAY too much resistence for the plasma "effect" to manifest (AT ALL) through. For this reason (and ease of installation) I chose to attach my plasma "kick" wires directly to the spark plug tips, and then shove the plug wire boot back onto the plug tip. No matter how much "juice" I put to the circuit in early testing, the plasma effect will NOT happen through a plug wire's resistence (thus the need also for resistor-less spark plugs). Many will back this up, as they have had the same experiences in their circuits. Since the VexUs circuit ONLY uses the spark plug's normal operation to trigger the plasma "event", and since the plug wires have too much resistence for the plasma energy to come through to the plug, it would stand pretty iron clad to reason that no part of the plasma "event" can travel through the plug wire's resistence to get back to the distributor cap. (Whew, I'm sure that sentance is grammatically incorrect! ) I have pulled my distributor cap and looked, no damage has occurred to the cap and rotor button thus far. This is the beauty of a "piggy-back" system set up in this fashion, NOTHING factory is modified.

    As for the NTE517 diodes, I already use two diodes for each cylinder. But, Greg and I came to the conclusion that we are both able to obtain better and more stable results by using the diodes in parallel, not series. I will actually be using three diodes parallel per cylinder for my automotive installs. This will serve to further reduce any heat buildup and aid in adding more longevity to the smooth operation of the circuit. Also diodes in series tend to have voltage drops, more drop the longer the series. As we are using almost all voltage potential and almost no amperage (I think my "kick" wires measure 0.07 amps during operation), any voltage drops are unfavorable to our performance. Keep in mind also, some of the "effects" we are obtaining with some of these circuits, cannot be fully explained to an understandable level using "age old" laws. With new inventions, must come also a new way of thinking, just my two cents. Maybe now I'm the one rambling!

    Anyway, I hope at least some of what I tried to explain can make some sort of sense to you. We are all still exploring these circuits and looking forward to any and all ways to implement them into our daily lives to better ourselves and others. Comments and questions are ALWAYS welcome, that's how we figure all this stuff out! Later........................Mike


    I will look into the use of the TVS diodes for each leg. Can anyone else verify this and draw into the diagram a good location to install them if need be?
    IF IT DOESN'T EXIST, CREATE IT!!!

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    • Suburban progress update.................

      Progress update,

      I now have the wiring atached to the spark plugs and routed to a central location in the engine bay. Now I will work on the transfer of the components from the bench to the engine bay. Like the Energizer bunny.............Stilllllll goin'............................................. Mike
      IF IT DOESN'T EXIST, CREATE IT!!!

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      • Thanks for the feedback, now stop reading this and get back to work we are waiting to hear your "WOOT" when its running in your car

        To infinity and beyond!

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        • That's funny! I don't care who you are. (to quote Larry the cable guy)

          Yes, back to work, almost there. A few more connections and a couple temporary mount locations......................................... ........Mike
          IF IT DOESN'T EXIST, CREATE IT!!!

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          • I've run out of time today guys,

            Here is a few pics of my install to this point. Notice how close I am installing this to the vehicle's ECM, I think maybe I should build a shield here, just in case I get some kind of spike. Don't want to take any chance of messing up the ECM. Anyway, I will have it done in the morning sometime, if all goes well. Until then, have a good evening everyone..........................Mike


            Last edited by jstadwater; 11-29-2008, 11:30 PM.
            IF IT DOESN'T EXIST, CREATE IT!!!

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            • Wire voltage breakdown

              Originally posted by jstadwater View Post
              I've run out of time today guys,

              Here is a few pics of my install to this point. Notice how close I am installing this to the vehicle's ECM, I think maybe I should build a shield here, just in case I get some kind of spike. Don't want to take any chance of messing up the ECM. Anyway, I will have it done in the morning sometime, if all goes well. Until then, have a good evening everyone..........................Mike


              Hi everyone,

              jstadwater, the red wire you are using seems to be at best 600V rated.
              Directly connected to the plugs you may have a leak to the car body.
              If the diodes are between the plug tip and the wire, that's another story.

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              • slide resistor

                Originally posted by jstadwater View Post
                Thanks Greg,

                Right now I am using a 2.5uF discharge, but thought I might play around a little more and up the dump some. Do you know if the higher resistence will affect the inverter in any way detrimentally? I ordered 4 more slide resistors yesterday of 100 watts and up to 250 ohms, so I'll have a wider range of play. Would having a battery charger hooked to the battery while I'm operating the circuit hurt anything? I got the inverter's red light once yesterday while it was just sitting there idle, low voltage I think from the battery. At least it didn't FRY!!

                I am moving forward today with the Suburban 350 install. I may not have the circuit tied up good enough to drive it up the road, but I intend to have it operational and fire up the 350 engine on plasma and see what it's reaction will be. Wish me luck, I'll post updates as I go along. Thanks again to everyone for all the help and great info provided here, be back shortly........................................... ..Mike
                Hi Mike,

                You may have already posted it but I'll ask ... what is make, model of the 'slide resistor you've been using?

                I appreciate the fine work you've done with VexUs. My TVSs will be here on monday and I'll feel confident about investing in another $40.00 inverter for the bug ... everything's waiting for that. Thanks for taking the lead in the TVS investigation.

                Peace,

                Greg

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                • Hey Greg,

                  Thanks for those kind comments, and your welcome on the TVS investigation, the show must go on. Haven't heard much from you in a couple days, it's good to see you are still here! The slide resistor I am using now is a 100 watt 100 ohm, Huntington AVT100-100 (Digi-key part number "AVT100-100-ND") As for the TVS diodes, I decided to go ahead and use two in parallel (as you see in the pics) at each spot, before and after isolation transformer. I figured it couldn't hurt anything, and they are only about 50 cents each anyway. I also added in the 1.5KE15A TVS across the 12V cables on the inverter. Just for safety and longevity, I have seen spikes in voltage from alternators before. Ussually not unless the voltage regulator goes bad, but it happens. I just ordered 4 new slide resistors, they are Huntington AVT-100-250, still 100 watt but now 250 ohms so I can play. Same price from Digi-Key as the other one, $9.95. Now, back to the Suburban in here that's Begging for a serious ignition system!

                  Mike
                  IF IT DOESN'T EXIST, CREATE IT!!!

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                  • @ rfsimoes

                    Hello,

                    I really don't anticipate any problems in that area, here's why: On the bench I used telephone cord for the "kick" wires at one point, but they were not heavy duty enough to be moved around much. I ended up with a couple broken wires, and then went to a 22 gauge wire for more durability. The wires in the pics are 18 gauge automotive wire which I purchased off the shelf at Advance Auto. The point is this, EVEN with the telephone cord as the "kick", separated into single wires from the normal insulation, I have held those wires in my hand while operating the circuit at 5,800 rpm. I'm not one of those people who have a high resistence to electric shock either. I have been repeatedly bitten by these circuits by accidentally touching a clip or wire end at the wrong time (when there was voltage present! ). I was making connections yesterday with no voltage on the circuit, a screw driver fell off the table and I almost jumped out of my shoes! Testing will always tell, of course, and I'm almost ready to fire this one up, stay tuned.

                    Mike
                    IF IT DOESN'T EXIST, CREATE IT!!!

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                    • Sorry if this is a repost.

                      Has this thread looked at this guys work.

                      www.skyhero.com

                      He has a video and has given feedback on running a similar system on his VW. Spark plug wear is obviously high but this can be dealt with iridium or platinum plugs.

                      I see that this ignition system has great potential for the common internal combustion engine. My own experience with high power ignitions in lean burn engines shows gains in economy/drivability/tuning window to name a few.

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                      • Absolutely, Bill is the one that started us on the "piggy-back" path. Greg, myself, and a few others have been refining and advancing it from the get-go. Now I'm talking to the circuit itself, "You've come a long way, baby!" It's just too much fun to leave it alone!!

                        Mike
                        IF IT DOESN'T EXIST, CREATE IT!!!

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                        • OK, looks like we may have to shield the kick wires, I had the inverter sitting on them where they cross the fan shroud, also on top of the main feed wire from the battery to fuse block (didn't think about it). It let out some pretty blue/gray smoke when I flipped it on with the engine running. You know me.......I like to fry stuff! I took the cover off the inverter, the mosfets are smoked, crispy critters. I already have a plan for shielding, I guess I'll be working on that Monday. Later.............................Mike
                          IF IT DOESN'T EXIST, CREATE IT!!!

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                          • Water spark plug is working with the booster

                            With all the great talented collective collaboration here it is not a
                            surprise that we have a working unit already on the road.

                            We did it, this one is for Jetijs et ALL. We have Revizals circuit
                            running with the WFA booster, and will do a 2 week trial and show the
                            wear on the plugs.Thanks Rev!! for the simplicity circuit and
                            confidence) We are adding it to ALL the groups research in a new
                            supportive video with a themed script about open source engineering,
                            neglected plasma research and a suppressed plug shown to us!plus more.

                            Mainly a homage to all you guys doing such great work, here are some
                            snaps guys, video and report coming. This circuit ran the car, like a
                            brand new one, it stars up like Gregs VW and PURRRRRRZZZ
                            Might be a bit too much power with the hydroxy

                            Screen shots from the Video
                            ImageShack - Hosting :: panaceasparkft7.jpg
                            Spark (sunlight does not do spark justice)

                            ImageShack - Hosting :: panaceaspark002cm9.jpg
                            Boost in the back round with inverter and spark box
                            Will see better and more in the video

                            MPG and plug wear report coming

                            Ash

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                            • Revizal's circuit

                              Originally posted by ashtweth View Post
                              With all the great talented collective collaboration here it is not a
                              surprise that we have a working unit already on the road.

                              We did it, this one is for Jetijs et ALL. We have Revizals circuit
                              running with the WFA booster, and will do a 2 week trial and show the
                              wear on the plugs.Thanks Rev!! for the simplicity circuit and
                              confidence) We are adding it to ALL the groups research in a new
                              supportive video with a themed script about open source engineering,
                              neglected plasma research and a suppressed plug shown to us!plus more.

                              Mainly a homage to all you guys doing such great work, here are some
                              snaps guys, video and report coming. This circuit ran the car, like a
                              brand new one, it stars up like Gregs VW and PURRRRRRZZZ
                              Might be a bit too much power with the hydroxy

                              Screen shots from the Video
                              ImageShack - Hosting :: panaceasparkft7.jpg
                              Spark (sunlight does not do spark justice)

                              ImageShack - Hosting :: panaceaspark002cm9.jpg
                              Boost in the back round with inverter and spark box
                              Will see better and more in the video

                              MPG and plug wear report coming

                              Ash
                              Hi Ash,

                              Could you please post Revizal's circuit? I'll look for it but assistance would be appreciated.

                              Thanks,

                              Greg

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                              • Originally posted by jstadwater View Post
                                OK, looks like we may have to shield the kick wires, I had the inverter sitting on them where they cross the fan shroud, also on top of the main feed wire from the battery to fuse block (didn't think about it). It let out some pretty blue/gray smoke when I flipped it on with the engine running. You know me.......I like to fry stuff! I took the cover off the inverter, the mosfets are smoked, crispy critters. I already have a plan for shielding, I guess I'll be working on that Monday. Later.............................Mike
                                Jstadwater,

                                I think the problem you had was that the inverter case was grounding to the chassis when you had it sitting on the core support. I don't think that it was the kick wires. In that last picture that you posted, it looks like the inverter case was touching metal on the vehicle chassis. This will definetly cause an issue.

                                Can you confirm that is was touching metal?

                                LapperL

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